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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:00 PM May 2013

Gun crime has plunged, but Americans think it's up, says study

Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes, two new studies of government data show.

Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the Pew Research Center.

In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since the turn of the millennium.

The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted. Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S. were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.

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It’s unclear whether media coverage is driving the misconception that such violence is up. The mass shootings in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo., were among the news stories most closely watched by Americans last year, Pew found. Crime has also been a growing focus for national newscasts and morning network shows in the past five years but has become less common on local television news.

“It’s hard to know what’s going on there,” said D’Vera Cohn, senior writer at the Pew Research Center. Women, people of color and the elderly were more likely to believe that gun crime was up than men, younger adults or white people. The center plans to examine crime issues more closely later this year.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story

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Gun crime has plunged, but Americans think it's up, says study (Original Post) The Straight Story May 2013 OP
I'm thinking these are .. pipoman May 2013 #1
Where would we be now Newest Reality May 2013 #2
It's up alright. Up a whole lot higher than a civilized country deserves. Hoyt May 2013 #3
Indeed, it has plunged. NYC_SKP May 2013 #4
We think it's up, because more people are getting shot. Robb May 2013 #5
Yup. And despite the drop, our homicide rate is still about 5X the rest of the first world. DanTex May 2013 #6
It's absolutely disgusting Uzair May 2013 #8
The relevance is that the gun lobby would have you believe we are in a massive crime wave bhikkhu May 2013 #9
More people are getting shot rightsideout May 2013 #7
The VPC? pipoman May 2013 #10

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. Where would we be now
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:06 PM
May 2013

without the appeal to the base aspects of our nervous systems? Fear, fear, fear. Tense. Edgy.

When you think of the motivation of hi-tech, induced terror in various shades and flavors, it almost screams out for something to assuage it. Fear, fear, crime, death. I mean, the risks of life are always there, but making them stand-out puts an emphasis on a panache of potential solutions, including but not exclusive to: entertainment distractions, alcohol, prescription drugs by the score, really bad legislation that's OK if the bogey man gets slapped, etc.

I think of it as an important tool in the capitalist toolbox. If you own the media, why not sell the a Pavlovian mix of inducements and incentives that eventually lead to a "captured", totalitarian market extraordinaire?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. It's up alright. Up a whole lot higher than a civilized country deserves.
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:10 PM
May 2013

Think where it would be with a lot less guns, and the callous folks who are most attracted to them.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. Indeed, it has plunged.
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:12 PM
May 2013

Plunged is not an overstatement, if this graph is accurate:



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZWCqYSE__5s/UPdTkH57L0I/AAAAAAAAAM8/e4o5XjRv6Zo/s1600/US-NY+Crime+Comparison.JPG

Also, it's expressed as a per/100,000 value and has "0" at the graph origin, so it's not a deceptive chart.

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Robb

(39,665 posts)
5. We think it's up, because more people are getting shot.
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:13 PM
May 2013

Just because "gun crime" and homicides are temporarily trending downward, you declare the gun problem solved?



The common focus on gun deaths as a marker to illustrate America’s “gun problem” obscures an alarming trend. The number of persons who suffer nonfatal gunshot injuries―that is, who are shot but do not die―has risen over the same period. As graphically demonstrated by the chart above, this means simply that more people are being shot by guns every year. In other words, America’s gun problem is getting worse, not better.


More are being shot, and fewer of them are dying. We're getting pretty good at keeping GSW victims alive, what with our recent adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, and our relentless pursuit of emergency medical technology.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. Yup. And despite the drop, our homicide rate is still about 5X the rest of the first world.
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:21 PM
May 2013

But Team NRA is here to tell us that we don't have a gun violence problem.

 

Uzair

(241 posts)
8. It's absolutely disgusting
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:43 PM
May 2013

Gun crime 5 to 7 times that of every other civilized nation. And we have an OP stating "Gun crime has plunged", as if that has any relevance to the discussion whatsoever. It's utterly disgusting that they continue with this bullshit, all because they can't get past their gun fetish.

bhikkhu

(10,724 posts)
9. The relevance is that the gun lobby would have you believe we are in a massive crime wave
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:59 PM
May 2013

...and that you need to go out and buy more guns to protect yourself. That's basically what they have been pushing, and from the OP it seems they have been largely successful.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
10. The VPC?
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:27 PM
May 2013

Isn't there some reliable source showing this somewhere..VPC talking points they are..is this rates or crude numbers?

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