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Sancho

(9,070 posts)
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:46 AM May 2013

3-year-old boy fatally shoots self with uncle's gun

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/3-year-old-boy-shot-and-wounded-near-tampa/2119745

TAMPA — A 3-year-old boy who found a gun in a backpack and shot himself died Tuesday night, authorities said, a local addition to this month's spate of child shootings nationwide.

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As a gun-owner, I think it's way past time to license and register guns:
1.) required safety courses
2.) required background check
3.) required mental health check
4.) required insurance (which likely would be a way to accomplish 1,2,and 3 above)
5.) register all guns, gun and ammo sales; only sell to licensed users

Responsible gun owners need to accept inconvenience and expense to save some lives.
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DFW

(54,445 posts)
3. That is already the case here in Germany, and there additional requirements, too
Wed May 8, 2013, 07:30 AM
May 2013

All firearms are to be stored in securely locked areas when not in use or in the hands of the owner. Failure to do that is a felony.

These are no more considered "inconveniences" than the requirement that your car's brakes get regularly inspected is an inconvenience.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
6. The problem is gun nuts believe everything the NRA tells them
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:28 AM
May 2013

About guns not killing people, how more guns create a more civil society, and on and on.

But reality begs to differ. And this time the result was a sad and tragic act that could have been completely avoided.

It is children who get sacrificed on the altar of second amendment purity. No one in the NRA cares about the collateral damage to the innocents as long as money from paranoid and cowardly people continues to fill its coffers.


marble falls

(57,275 posts)
7. And I agree with you with the added proviso:
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:35 AM
May 2013

Any adult that allows his weapon into the hand of a child by not securing it should be criminally charged.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
8. A 29-year old man left a 9mm in a "backpack"...in the very room he "shares" with a3 year old
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:47 AM
May 2013

Imagine the blase attitude toward guns required for somebody to do such a thing.

And, clearly, the weapon was then currently LOADED, unless we are to believe that the 3 year old loaded the weapon before firing it. So, a grown man leaves a loaded firearm in a backpack, just, y'know, sitting around. In a room where a three year old stays.

Of course, this will be written off as his personal irresponsibility - which it surely is - but isn't this also a consequence of putting guns on the same conceptual plane as any other tool? That one could even imagine doing such a thing tells us all we need to know about the gunner shitheads.

Another point of evidence for why my kids are not allowed anywhere near gunner households if I know them to be so. I don't trust a single gunner in America not to be lazy and careless with their weapons, even unto the point of MY child being accidentally killed because of their little hobby.

redwitch

(14,948 posts)
9. The blase attitude towards his child is the biggest problem.
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:06 AM
May 2013

When I think of the safety precautions we began to take as we anticipated the birth of our first child! Turned down the temp on the hot water heater, safety plugs for all electrical outlets, medicine and all potentially poisonous cleaning supplies, alcohol etc. safely away, gates to prevent falls down stairs and probably lots more I can't think of at the moment. And still he took a tumble down a flight of stairs, ate an entire bottle of children's vitamins w/iron. Takes no time at all for bad stuff to happen even when you are not careless.

Once they start toddling they get into trouble in seconds. Why, why, why do gun owners think their kids won't find the gun sitting in the backpack? Maybe in addition to background checks to own a gun, we should have them before people reproduce!

Every time I read one of these stories I get angrier.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
10. Crime
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:07 AM
May 2013

If it is not a criminal act to leave a loaded gun unsecured, then should the child's death be considered a suicide?

Anyone who leaves any weapon available which could include knives and martial arts paraphernalia as well as loaded guns should be charged with a crime if this results in an injury or death. I think it would probably be manslaughter, but would prefer first degree murder since there must have been intent to do harm if there is certainly the potential for death.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
11. But, the gun apologists assure me that these things are so rare
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:35 AM
May 2013

as to not be significant.

Explain to me again about responsible gun owners.

Explain to me again why we can't just confiscate all guns. And before you tell me THAT'S not possible, think about your three year old nephew. Is HIS life worth it? And if not, why not?

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
13. Gun owners
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:43 AM
May 2013

Should be required to keep weapons locked up around children. Like child safety seats it's a minor requirement that would save thousands of children every year.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
14. As a gun owner with kids, there is a reason I don't keep a gun in my house
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:04 AM
May 2013

It's locked up at my parent's house.

My kids are 2 and 4 and I don't at all feel safe with a gun in my house. My kids get into everything.

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