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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:12 AM May 2013

The Disgusting Details of the Cleveland Kidnappers Begin to Emerge

Last edited Wed May 8, 2013, 08:54 AM - Edit history (1)

Cleveland police were not very forthcoming this morning with details on the investigation of the rescued kidnapping victims, but a few leaked reports and at least one odd coincidence are shedding some light on the man who appears to be most responsible.

According to the family of Gina DeJesus, who spoke to local CBS affliate WOIO, one the women who was held captive for nearly a decade, say that she actually knew Ariel Castro, the owner of the house where the women were found, because he was a relative of one of her friends. It's not known if they interacted or had any sort of relationship before DeJesus was kidnapped, but since the other two women were also from the area, it's possible he knew them as well.

The family also says that Castro came to public vigils that were held for at least two of the girls after they disappeared. Castro is awaiting charges along with his two brothers. Their mugshots were just released to the media.

While the official official story hasn't changed, other law enforcement sources have leaked details of the investigation, though they have not been publicly confirmed from local authorities. In what is the most disturbing claim — though not a otally unexpected one — WKYC in Cleveland reports that all three women were forced to have sex with their captors, resulting in at least five pregnancies during their time in captivity. According to their sources, the pregnant women were beaten until they lost the babies, though it seems at least one (the daughter of Amanda Berry who was also rescued) survived.

Station WOIO also reports that the women were usually held in the basement, though one was in an upstairs room, and one of the rooms in the house had chains hanging from the ceiling.

More: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/05/cleveland-kidnappers-reports/64970/


ETA:

Police Apparently Missed Multiple Calls About Women on Dog Leashes in the Castros' Yard

Update 10:22 p.m.: Following the USA Today report, Cleveland Police walked back on their previous statement and admitted that they had actually received two 911 calls regarding the Castro house, neither of which appears to be related to the kidnappings. The police statement reads:

Upon researching our call intake system extensively, only two calls for service from police are shown at that address. One call was from the resident, Ariel Castro, reporting a fight in the street. The second call was in relation to an incident regarding Ariel Castro and his duties as a bus driver.



Original Post: The case of the three women held captive for a decade in Cleveland reaches a new level of absurdity with a Tuesday night report detailing the many warning signs that police appear to have ignored. USA Today says that not one not two but at least three neighbors called the police between 2011 and 2012 to report suspicious activity at the house where Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight escaped their years-long imprisonment on Monday. We're not talking about the watering-the-flowers-at-midnight brand of suspicious activity. We're talking women-being-led-around-the-yard-on-dog-leashes suspicious. Some might just call that sick. (Add it to the list.)

Cleveland Police missed something. That much is clear. Despite the department's obviously extended effort to find the victims, the sheer volume of tips that would have led them to the Castro home is starting to looking pretty condemning. While some are calling the USA Today report "mostly hearsay," it's hard to believe that so many different neighbors would've made such similar calls. Some reported inexplicably large amounts of McDonalds being carried into the house by Ariel Castro, one of the three brothers and a school bus driver. Others reported seeing women standing in the windows of the Castro house and at least once incident of a woman pounding on a window, after which they called the police.

The leash stuff really is twisted, though. &quot Neighborhood) women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks," the report reads. "Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls." Again, this is just one of several incidents that neighbors say they reported to police, incidents that the Cleveland Police didn't follow up on. It's not just the USA Today piece that's making these claims either. Local news outlets are issuing similar reports.

Full article with embedded links: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/05/police-apparently-missed-multiple-calls-about-women-dog-leashes-castros-yard/64987/
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The Disgusting Details of the Cleveland Kidnappers Begin to Emerge (Original Post) Turborama May 2013 OP
What a bunch of absolute monsters. This is what the death penalty should be for. dkf May 2013 #1
Oh no....death is the easy way out Submariner May 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #3
Your post would have been remvoed by DU2 moderators muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #18
When I was in MIRT I saw a few of posts like this get hidden by juries. Turborama May 2013 #23
Not yet; I thought I'd give them the chance to withdraw it muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #24
Fair enough. Turborama May 2013 #25
Someone else has alerted, and it was hidden 5-1 (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #29
That would be great! get the red out May 2013 #4
Decades in a supermax prison. In their own cells. mucifer May 2013 #5
Why would you want to see that? demwing May 2013 #7
Fine, except these psychopaths Warpy May 2013 #11
I disagree Le Taz Hot May 2013 #14
Plus, being a molester/rapist puts you at the bottom of the prison food chain. Frank Cannon May 2013 #34
The alcohol withdrawls are going to be loads of fun for them too get the red out May 2013 #16
Untreated DTs are 50% fatal Warpy May 2013 #17
I always thought that odd... 4_TN_TITANS May 2013 #20
You appear to be saying you want the rapist raped muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #32
there should be NO death penalty. EVER cali May 2013 #22
+ 1000 eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #28
The comments after that article get the red out May 2013 #6
They are Puerto Rican. People are so stupid. mucifer May 2013 #9
I know get the red out May 2013 #15
It's slightly stronger than that - Puerto Ricans are US citizens. They have the same relocation 24601 May 2013 #33
I live in Cleveland - and in the same part of town where this all happened; LeftinOH May 2013 #13
If the perps had been black they would have done the same thing to black people Downtown Hound May 2013 #19
According to Republicans who comment on articles, white people never commit crimes Cali_Democrat May 2013 #21
Some girls were punished when they tried to escape, he tricked them by pretending to leave the house jakeXT May 2013 #8
I saw a chart of missing women in that area tavernier May 2013 #10
Knight said something along those lines, that there could've been another girl jakeXT May 2013 #12
"Hey 911, there's some guys dealing marijuana at this house." ck4829 May 2013 #26
Ariel Castro's suicide note riverwalker May 2013 #27
Castro was a father of Gina's friend. LisaL May 2013 #31

Submariner

(12,509 posts)
2. Oh no....death is the easy way out
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:24 AM
May 2013

Life without parole in the general population who will take care of these guys good when they find out they are little girl kidnappers and rapists. Let these 3 experience what their hostages experienced for all these years.

Response to Submariner (Reply #2)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,368 posts)
18. Your post would have been remvoed by DU2 moderators
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:50 AM
May 2013

Under the DU2 standards, advocating the rape of anyone, as you do, was against the rules, however much of a monster they are.

Do you want DU to become the kind of place where we cheer on prison rape? I'd ask you to edit your post.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,368 posts)
24. Not yet; I thought I'd give them the chance to withdraw it
Wed May 8, 2013, 03:03 PM
May 2013

If it gets hidden without warning, they'll probably just get mad and want to do it again. With a bit of conversation, I hope there's more chance they'll change their mind about approving of torture for the sake of revenge.

mucifer

(23,572 posts)
5. Decades in a supermax prison. In their own cells.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:49 AM
May 2013

Not many people deserve to be their. But, these monsters sure do.

BTW don't forget that leaked details a day or two a case breaks often turn out not to be true.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
7. Why would you want to see that?
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:55 AM
May 2013

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What good does it serve?

Your post is pretty revolting...

Warpy

(111,359 posts)
11. Fine, except these psychopaths
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:20 AM
May 2013

are likely to be the prison rapists, themselves. My guess is that they won't much care who they humiliate and control, which is what it sounds like these 3 women endured for years.

I'd like to see them studied to see how all 3 turned out to be psychopaths with the same sexual screw loose.

Spending the rest of their lives in cages with only sessions with FBI psychiatrists seems like a good payback, especially if they manage to give them tools to spot these assholes sooner.

The youngest one doesn't look like he's long for this world, anyway. I'd suggest he's the heaviest drinker. It shows.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
14. I disagree
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:47 AM
May 2013

about them being the prison rapists. These guys are old and two of the brothers are frail from life-long drinking (did you see the 50-year-old? He looks 70). They're weak which means they'll be even more of a target. The young, strong and virile are the aggressors in prison.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
34. Plus, being a molester/rapist puts you at the bottom of the prison food chain.
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:02 AM
May 2013

Period. It doesn't matter how aggressive/controlling you think you are. This guy preyed on teenage girls. Younger, stronger, multimurderers in the general population won't give a shit.

Warpy

(111,359 posts)
17. Untreated DTs are 50% fatal
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:20 AM
May 2013

They'll have to bring them down chemically for a few days.

Pity none of the chemicals they use for DTs will make their peckers wilt.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
20. I always thought that odd...
Wed May 8, 2013, 02:18 PM
May 2013

In a jail with the most unworthiest of fathers, child molesters get it worst. On one of my extended stays (DUI), the cops tossed a guy accused of killing his infant daughter in with the general population. He had to be carried out that night, after getting the crap beat out of him.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,368 posts)
30. You appear to be saying you want the rapist raped
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:01 PM
May 2013

(latest news is that the brothers aren't thought to be involved and aren't charged, so we'll keep it to the one guy).

Will you reconsider your advocacy of rape? Raping him won't actually help anyone at all (whereas locking him up does - it keeps other people safe). Note that the first reply to you has now been hidden by a jury for explicitly saying they wanted them raped.

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #30)

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
6. The comments after that article
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:49 AM
May 2013

Looks like Republicans are going to be trying to use this horrific case as a means to trash Hispanic people and attack immigration reform. Like we haven't seem more lily white monsters do this kind of thing than anyone.

mucifer

(23,572 posts)
9. They are Puerto Rican. People are so stupid.
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:03 AM
May 2013

All Puerto Ricans can come here legally.

Of course, one has to acknowledge that there are many immigrants documented and undocumented that are heros and there are others who are evil. That's human nature.

24601

(3,963 posts)
33. It's slightly stronger than that - Puerto Ricans are US citizens. They have the same relocation
Thu May 9, 2013, 05:31 AM
May 2013

perogatives of any other citizen.

LeftinOH

(5,358 posts)
13. I live in Cleveland - and in the same part of town where this all happened;
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:40 AM
May 2013

there is a large Puerto Rican population here. So large, in fact, that the term "hispanic" or "Puerto Rican" is rarely used in local media. People are simply referred to by the neighborhood in which they live.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
19. If the perps had been black they would have done the same thing to black people
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

completely forgetting that it was a black man that rescued them.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
8. Some girls were punished when they tried to escape, he tricked them by pretending to leave the house
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:00 AM
May 2013

Finally the daughter said Castro left to visit grandmother, that's when Amanda decided to leave.
It seems like some of the girls could walk freely inside the house, when one girl was punished and chained they could feed her.

http://www.19actionnews.com/category/240218/video-landing-page?clipId=8854178&autostart=true

tavernier

(12,406 posts)
10. I saw a chart of missing women in that area
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:13 AM
May 2013

during the years when these women were kidnapped. There were MANY more which leads me to wonder if there were more victims, now buried somewhere.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
12. Knight said something along those lines, that there could've been another girl
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:25 AM
May 2013
A source further noted that Knight told police that there was another woman in the home when she got there, but one day she woke up and the woman was gone. There is writing on the wall in the basement which includes the name of a female and says, “Rest In Peace,” but police do not know if that is related to the case at this time.

http://fox8.com/2013/05/07/women-may-have-been-pregnant-multiple-times/


Or it was one of his girlfriends

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2811312

ck4829

(35,091 posts)
26. "Hey 911, there's some guys dealing marijuana at this house."
Wed May 8, 2013, 04:51 PM
May 2013

They would have been there in five minutes.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
31. Castro was a father of Gina's friend.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:06 PM
May 2013

Gina's friend (Castro's daughter) was interviwed on America's Most Wanted saying she saw Gina just before Gina went misisng. Gina had to walk home because she gave Castro's daughter 50 cents and didn't have enough money left for a bus.

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