and I was instantly accused of being a racist by the officer because I'm white and the perp was black. I called because the man was beating up his wife and I could hear her calling for help.

I ended up telling the cop to go fuck himself for making that accusation. I made him put it in his report that he blindly accused me of racism, and that I was upset about it.

Of course nothing happened to the man who was assaulting his wife 10 minutes earlier. The fighting stopped though, so it wasn't a complete loss.

I guess they should've assumed it wasn't consensual, huh?

Apparently those cops don't immediately infantilize women, like you do!

Sure, it seems to have resulted in tragedy this time, but that's the price we pay for freedom and liberty.




Seriously, though: HELL YES they should assume shit like that isn't consensual. IMO, anyway. I do realize I'm likely to be in the minority there.

and unless it is happening in a facility dedicated to such, I ALWAYS presume such things are NOT consensual until proven otherwise.

Walking naked on dog leashes on all fours is something I would hope any sane, common sensible person would see and immediately dial 911...no matter if they know the person or not. No matter what was going on, that is bizarre behavior that imo is obvious torture.

Police resources in our country go toward apprehending small-time drug sellers because that's where the numbers are. An officer can make many dozens of arrests a year (maybe hundreds?) compared with maybe solving one or two real crimes like kidnapping. Promotions go to officers who make those dozens or hundreds of arrests. Easy confiscation of money and property (including from the innocent) is another motivation.

I'm sick of living in a society where everything we do is so fucking fucked up and stupid. (Pardon my language, I can't find words that are vulgar enough to match the vulgarity of shit like this).

i've only been lurking/reading on this today, but i've seen way too much "let's give the cops the benefit of the doubt" messaging.

what's wrong with that is that they've got all the power to manipulate the messaging. they can easily lie (we don't have a record of the call) when, in all likelihood, they don't focus on this sort of the police work...like you say.

if instead of calling on domestic abuse, someone called to say they smelled pot...it might have been a different story.

every time a girl "goes missing", the Cleveland PD were to swoop in and do mandatory basement-to-attic searches of all homes in the vicinity..

after the fact, people always "come forward" with "information"..

much of that information ends up being F I C T I O N ..(or wishful thinking said aloud)

The PD will never be able to prove that calls they have no record of, were ever made.

Prove that someone who says they called you, didn't. If it does not show up in your caller ID and they insist they called you, how do you prove anything?. Police calls are logged.

Wonkette needs to take a chill pill and wait a bit before she attacks the police. Short of full-on searches, how would they have known where these women were?

Because there's a difference between:

"I *think* I may have seen something; you may want to send police"

"I saw something weird and wanted to let you know"

"I see someone in immediate danger"

I was just thinking how just a couple weeks after people were yelling "police state" over the search for the Boston Bomber, we now have a case that could only be found out if the police did a search of the house. They'd have needed a warrant at the very least.

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Because, apparently, it's totally fucking normal to see naked women on leashes in the neighbor's backyard.

Do you have to hang the body from the front of the house for it to count as a crime?

Maybe the Police really did screw up. Maybe the neighbors aren't telling the truth. Let's allow a few days for some more facts to come out before we judge anyone.

In the future, when the Police in any city are faced with an apparently vacant boarded up house where someone may possibly be in danger, they should call their firefighters. Many firefighters have heat imaging devices that can spot whether a person is inside a home. These devices are intended to be used to find a trapped firefighter or other person during a fire, but they could be used for this purpose without busting down a door. (Some police use those devices to spot marijuana grow houses).

lived there until I was in my forties, only moving to another state several years ago, I have NO trouble at all believing this. Anyone who does need only look at the Anthony Sowell case there from a few years ago. Over eleven dismembered women were found buried in his house and yard, and all the women had been reported missing from generally the same area, which was the same area where Sowell's house was located. But the women were predominantly poor, minority, drug addicts/prostitutes or otherwise on the "wrong" side of life, so the police greeted missing person reports from the families with disdain and indifference, even telling many of the families that "they're probably just sleeping off benders somewhere", or "they're likely on a drug binge somewhere", shit of that nature. They even told several families to leave them alone and quit bothering them, that the women would eventually show up on their own. This is documented.

Problem was, the house and the area around it smelled horrible and the neighbors made many complaints about it over the years, to no avail. They believed it was the sausage shop next door to the house, but the shop's owners spent a fortune on new plumbing and replacing the sewer lines and that still didn't work. But the Cleveland Pee Dee couldn't have cared less, they didn't give a shit about a bunch of poor minority women and the geniuses never once put together the fact that this house smells like rotting human flesh in an area where over ten women had disappeared over the years. No, they were too busy harassing black and brown people, seizing foreclosure property, writing traffic tickets to generate revenue and harassing people for small amounts of marijuana possession. Oh, and ignoring murders of minorities but putting all resources available to any murder at all of middle to upper-class whites, especially women (I can rattle off at least four examples of that, just from memory alone, and there are too many others).

So, sorry, but I believe the neighbors over anything the slick Pee Dee hired spin flunkies have to say.

talks about 2 of the missing girls and how he thinks they are linked. He said he went on CNN at that time to discuss these cases because he was so pissed the Cleveland PD had listed at least one of them as a runaway, and refused to link the 2 disappearances (and in one case refused to enact an Amber Alert). If Cleveland PD were aware of this and still did nothing, that shows gross incompetence.

weapon they dont care. even when they show up you dont know if that's a good thing or not.

There ere no calls.

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I would have thought someone would have put these cases together sooner. Instead, at least one of the cases was never treated by police as a kidnapping.

That, alone, should have warranted a search, without any calls. Especially because the women were missing from the same neighborhood.

There wasn't one officer who thought the boarded windows and tarps were possibly hiding something?

They could have used health codes to get inside.

This neighborhood included many boarded up houses, and Cleveland as a whole has a huge number of vacant houses. The banks are actually paying the city to demolish their foreclosed houses.

They (CNN) showed a clip of him saying as much about 2 of the cases in 2005.

Because how fucking bold can criminals be?

"Castro broke his ex-wife’s nose and ribs, dislocated her shoulders, knocked out one of her teeth and battered her so hard that a blood clot formed on her brain, according to filings in court."

Yet he was only charged with 'disorderly conduct'. You really have to wonder.

3 counts of rape, and only against Castro himself, none of the brothers. Give me a fucking break!!

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on the police, but something tells me they may have a lot to answer too. Where I live in Upstate NY we had a similar crime where poor women were kidnapped off the street and kept in an underground bunker. The kidnapper John Jamelske lived in an upscale community and no one had a clue what he was up to. He would choose his victims carefully, someone who doesn't speak English, a teenager strung out on drugs, or someone that looked like they were in a desperate situation. He would hold them captive for a period of time sometimes as long as 2 yrs. and them let them go. One of the victims a teenage girl went to the police but because of a previous drug charge they didn't consider her credible and dropped the investigation. This also happened with another one of the victims. It wasn't until Jamelske was out with one of his victims that she was able to break free and get help.

All the victims had one thing in common, they were poor women, from the wrong side of town and the police didn't care.

On another note, while the kidnapper pleaded guilty and is serving 18 yrs. to life, when he pleaded guilty his attorneys had a hard time convincing him of the seriousness of his crimes. He thought he would either be fined or do community service. It's a very sad commentary on our society when perpetrators of crimes against women cannot even fully absorb the seriousness of their actions. That women are property to be used and abused as they see fit. It's all very disturbing.

The women have told investigators they left the house only twice during their captivity -- and then only to go into the garage, in disguise...

"They don't believe they've been outside of the home for the last 10 years respectively," (Deputy Police Chief Ed Tomba) said.

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There's a lot of hearsay at this point. Anybody can claim they called the police, but unless there is a record of a call, I'm not inclined to believe they did.

If the house appeared quite and peaceful to someone outside, the police had no grounds to enter. They also had no grounds to get a warrant without sworn statements about criminal activity at the house.

based on statements from the women and all the men. Two of the men only seem to have been implicated because their brother is the culprit (assumed guilt by association); none of the women reported being led about on leashes outside. Of course the women may come forward at a later date and give a first-hand account to media saying it's all true, all the brothers were rapists who fed them dog treats in the backyard, but I'm guessing this was bad journalism by reporters who were eager to jump the gun/make assumptions/believe everyone who was willing to tell them a story about how it was for those women all those years.

BTW, this reverses my post yesterday making the same claims as Wonkette. I just don't think the cops would give a trumped up account and let two rapists go free since the victims are free and able to speak for themselves, which you know will happen eventually.

for over 20 years and, after divorcing him, went to police academy herself while living with another cop. She didn't last long on the job and was politely asked to leave shortly before her probationary period was up - not because she wasn't doing a good job but because she was older and couldn't hack some of the physical stuff. She told me that cops hate dealing with "domestics". They will do anything to get out of having to go out to one including driving by the location and reporting that there was nothing to be seen (it's difficult to hear crying inside a car with closed windows and the a/c or heat on), saying that they investigated but found nothing while not having been near the reported location and flat out telling the dispatchers that everybody knows the person who reported the abuse is a liar so it's not necessary for them to respond. I wish I were shocked by the Cleveland PD's non-responses over the years to reports of abuse at the Castro residence, but sadly, I am not.