This is what happens when you suppress masturbation; silly fundamentalists.

So I won't be joining the cool kids in condemning people who appreciate that someone who plotted and carried out a brutal murder was found guilty of same.

ramifications.

As for the 'cool kids' -- ironic.

And you can say the same for people who cry at movies or over sports teams or anything else that isn't of vital impact. Maybe the people JUDGING them for investing emotion in the case should invest their effort in something more productive?

ironic the person who labeled me a winger & then said he didn't have time to explain the comment should blather on about judgment.

They watched a trial. Again, so what? That's worth condemning people for and being all snide and superior about it? This to me sounds like all the smarter-than-thous who mock the commoners who watch sports, or brag that they don't have TVs.

to explain why. too busy judging people who think the public obsession with crimes like this is problematic.

yeah, you don't judge, except when it suits your agenda.

You condemned my entire union as complicit in undermining workers' rights, then pretended to wonder why that might bother me. There's a word for that. But leave your anti-union bullshit in your anti-union thread; that's off-topic here.

nor was the content in the OP written by *me,* but rather by a left-wing unionist with 30 years at UAW.

your judgments elsewhere are quite relevant when you condemn others for 'judging'.

for judging bread and circuses while rome burns.

1. I didn't say you were right wing. I said you posted anti-union bullshit.
2. You, not the other author, wrote the portion of the OP which characterized the UAW, not its leaders but just flat-out the UAW, of being a "junior partner" of the auto companies in re helping them build profits at the expense of workers.
3. I'm not impressed by one 30-yr guy. I was raised UAW, am 3rd generation UAW. I don't need a second-hand look.
4. I will talk to any brother or sister who has my union's best interest at heart and wants better for the union, and I'll read more of your author because maybe he falls into that category despite how you tried to use his words, but not someone from outside whose talking points mirror a former poster's pattern of anti-UAW belligerence.
5. I can't be clearer than above. Good day.

3) shotwell isn't 'just one guy' speaking only for himself.
4) here's some links:

http://www.soldiersofsolidarity.com/
http://www.dailykos.com/news/gregg%20shotwell

Greg Shotwell is a GM worker, a member of Local 1753 of the UAW, and a leader in the Soldiers of Solidarity (SOS) organization within the UAW. SOS seeks to end the concessionary cooperation with management that typifies the UAW leadership in recent years and to stem the decline of wages, working conditions and benefits for auto workers by pushing for a militant fight back strategy against the boss. In this interview, Jerry Mead-Lucero of Labor Express Radio talks with Shotwell about the 2007 contracts between the UAW, GM, Ford & Chrysler. A much edited version of this interview aired on the Oct. 14th Labor Express Radio program. The interview starts with Shotwell responding to my asking him if he was suprised that 66% of the UAW members at GM voted in favor of the contract...
http://archive.org/details/GreggShotwellUawContracts07

5) part of an organized campaign by a clique at DU, a clique who would rather smear than debate, a clique that seems to be hawkish on the middle east, rightist on education, and corporate/dem on unions. and here you are criticising people who criticise the corporate media-fueled obsession with trash and trivia. can't be more clear than that.

doesn't mean it isn't personally important to me...

(and yes, I do intend to celebrate when he is found guilty)

Me and my beige ass are going to celebrate for days in my favorite hoodie.

Wearing a hooded sweatshirt and being something other than 100% Caucasian should not be grounds to worry that some zealot is going to murder you for no good reason.

And, no, I'm not a trial spectator, and didn't follow the Arias trial in detail, but knew the circumstances surrounding her crime. You don't have to personally be invested in something to feel empathy for the victim. Personally, I have a brother who is an amazing guy, but unfortunately has questionable taste in women. I guess that's why I felt for the Alexander family.

clean clothes, or teach someone to read. Oh no, they have more important things to do, like tag building exteriors, smoke pot, and watch Infotainment TV.

People today are not raised well - 'were they ever?' is a quasi-legit comeback, I suppose but it still wouldn't answer why people waste their lives on frivolity rather than substance.

I saw a few clips and read a little bit about it. I quickly got the impression that she was very narcissistic. And I guess when a defendant is normal looking, yet narcissistic, cold blooded etc, there is an emotional investment because she could be "anyone's next door neighbor". We want them to receive the same justice or perhaps a little more than the typical monstrous looking thug.

One only has to look at Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson. Both normal looking and in the case of OJ - a beloved charismatic athlete.