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Raw: Ice Wave Comes Ashore in Minnesota (Original Post) The Straight Story May 2013 OP
That's crazy! Control-Z May 2013 #1
Never seen one like that I can recall, but The Straight Story May 2013 #4
In some videos, they are calling them "ice shoves". dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #16
Seriously! Control-Z May 2013 #19
I've never even heard of such a thing. Scary how relentless it is. Very strange. nt Poll_Blind May 2013 #2
Same thing happened in Manitoba recently: laundry_queen May 2013 #3
Wow, that is pretty jacked up The Straight Story May 2013 #5
Crazy, is right. polly7 May 2013 #11
Why does it do that? I heard them talking about it but couldn't make out what they raccoon May 2013 #6
The ice covers the lake, and when the wind blows hard enough, it pushes the ice onto the shore. CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #7
creepy looking, like a creature walking treestar May 2013 #8
Assume display of slow motion energy Brother Buzz May 2013 #9
My dad saw this on Mill Lacs this morning. Jenoch May 2013 #10
I saw that video on the BBC shenmue May 2013 #12
Happens frequently on Lake Winnebago in Wisconsin postulater May 2013 #13
That particular shove was solid ice in the dead of winter. Viking12 May 2013 #28
Amazing phenomenon. postulater May 2013 #29
Indeed. It's a fabulous place to live. Viking12 May 2013 #30
It has been a WEIRD spring here. Zoeisright May 2013 #14
Is this the way glaciers move south during the ice age? retired rooster May 2013 #15
Not quite that fast, I don't think Blue_In_AK May 2013 #22
Frostheave and needle ice sakabatou May 2013 #17
i for one welcome our new ice overlords Enrique May 2013 #18
Fascinating! Is it fracturing into those needle shapes, or are the needles forming directly petronius May 2013 #20
The ice sheet honeycombs into 'candles' before it came ashore Viking12 May 2013 #26
Great info; thank you! (nt) petronius May 2013 #33
It's like watching the coming of the next ice age in slo-mo. Buns_of_Fire May 2013 #21
It is sobering to realize that where I am currently sitting FrodosPet May 2013 #23
does it get solid enough for a snowmobile? snooper2 May 2013 #24
In the winter, yes. Brickbat May 2013 #25
Solid enough for full size pick-up trucks (and then some) Viking12 May 2013 #27
The Next Ice Age will not be televised. Rex May 2013 #31
This is surreal. Jamastiene May 2013 #32

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
4. Never seen one like that I can recall, but
Sun May 12, 2013, 06:02 PM
May 2013

We did have ice chunk waves here at the creek one year. The ice broke up, got jammed up and spilled up in chunks over each other onto the shore (I am thinking it was in 1998/1999 - my sister and I and my ex stopped to look and a local station stopped and covered the story). Was pretty amazing and I am sure my sis still has pics of it all somewhere (and the way she saves vhs tapes probably still has the interview).

This is something similar I found:
http://www.myfrozenfeet.com/?p=815

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
19. Seriously!
Sun May 12, 2013, 09:02 PM
May 2013

Kind of feels like watching some of the footage of the the tsunami in Japan. Slowly moving in - almost seemingly harmless at first - then plowing through whatever is in its path.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
3. Same thing happened in Manitoba recently:
Sun May 12, 2013, 06:01 PM
May 2013
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2013/05/10/mb-ochre-river-beach-ice-wave-homes.html?cmp=rss

Be sure to take a look at the picture. Crazy.

I've heard of this before - it's happened locally where I am as well, but usually houses are far enough back it's not an issue.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,622 posts)
7. The ice covers the lake, and when the wind blows hard enough, it pushes the ice onto the shore.
Sun May 12, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

Something like that, I believe.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
10. My dad saw this on Mill Lacs this morning.
Sun May 12, 2013, 06:29 PM
May 2013

There were some cabins that were damaged quite severly by the ice. Mill Lacs has a shoreline without much slope. The cabins were built years ago quite close to the shoreline. The ice, althoug still quite thick, is rotten and porous. The ice is blown ashore and the mass of ice just keeps moving. Close up, the ice resembles icicles. The same phenomena happed on a big lake just west of the Twin Cities but the wind was not as strong and the ice stayed close to the shoreline.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
28. That particular shove was solid ice in the dead of winter.
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:38 PM
May 2013

Quite rare actually. (I live very near the lake)


The spring shoves are frequent though.
http://bcove.me/genq0tzy

postulater

(5,075 posts)
29. Amazing phenomenon.
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:50 PM
May 2013

Of course, so is the sturgeon season on the lake.

Every year I watch for the reports of the sturgeon harvest.

I'm happy that the people who spear them are so respectful of the population that they protect the spawning grounds as they do.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
30. Indeed. It's a fabulous place to live.
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:52 PM
May 2013

Especially the multitude of natural wonders. Now if we could get rid of that douchebag of a Governor....

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
14. It has been a WEIRD spring here.
Sun May 12, 2013, 07:38 PM
May 2013

A blizzard on May 2, and it's going to be 90 degrees plus Tuesday. The trees are not fully leafed out and ice is still on lakes.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
22. Not quite that fast, I don't think
Sun May 12, 2013, 09:31 PM
May 2013

but I thought of glaciers, too.

We get a lot of tidal ice chunks here, but people's houses aren't in their path.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
20. Fascinating! Is it fracturing into those needle shapes, or are the needles forming directly
Sun May 12, 2013, 09:02 PM
May 2013

as water squeezes up through the ice and freezes?

This is the third awesomely cool ice phenomenon I've seen posted on DU this spring: there was a thread on needle ice, and the brinicle video earlier this year. Thanks, DUers!

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
26. The ice sheet honeycombs into 'candles' before it came ashore
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:33 PM
May 2013

How Lake Ice Melts
http://climate.umn.edu/doc/ice_out/ice_out_description.htm

A wonderful description of how lake ice melts away appeared on the web blog "Air Mass", hosted by the Star Tribune's Bill McAuliffe. Ed Swain, of the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency describes the process of freezing and thawing lakes.

1. In the late fall, the lake loses heat to the atmosphere, and then on a day or night when the wind is not blowing, ice forms. The ice gets thicker as long as the lake can continue to lose heat.

2. In most Januaries and Februaries, snow both reflects sunlight and insulates the lake. With a thick snow layer, the lake neither gains nor loses heat. The bottom sediment is actually heating the lake water slightly over the winter, from stored summer heat.

3. Around March, as the air warms and the sun gets more intense, the snow melts, allowing light to penetrate the ice. Because the ice acts like the glass in a greenhouse, the water beneath it begins to warm, and the ice begins to melt FROM THE BOTTOM.

4. When the ice thickness erodes to between 4 and 12 inches, it transforms into long vertical crystals called "candles." These conduct light even better, so the ice starts to look black, because it is not reflecting much sunlight.

5. Warming continues because the light energy is being transferred to the water below the ice. Meltwater fills in between the crystals, which begin breaking apart. The surface appears grayish as the ice reflects a bit more light than before.

6. The wind comes up, and breaks the surface apart. The candles will often be blown to one side of the lake, making a tinkling sound as they knock against one another, and piling up on the shore. In hours, a sparkling blue lake, once again!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,179 posts)
21. It's like watching the coming of the next ice age in slo-mo.
Sun May 12, 2013, 09:22 PM
May 2013

I think there comes a point in these events where your fear is replaced by your fascination.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
23. It is sobering to realize that where I am currently sitting
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:15 PM
May 2013

was covered in ice over a mile in thickness just 14,000 years ago, and will be covered with thousands of feet of ice again someday. The buildings and trees scrubbed away into kindling and debris, the hills and valleys and lakes and rivers remolded under the weight and abrasion of the glaciers.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
27. Solid enough for full size pick-up trucks (and then some)
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:34 PM
May 2013

In late January through February, but not usually past early March.

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