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MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:19 AM May 2013

Marriage equality is now a fact in essentially a quarter of all states.

Last edited Tue May 14, 2013, 09:52 AM - Edit history (1)

24%. As close to one fourth as is mathematically possible. We are reaching critical mass in this movement to make it possible for LGBT people to marry, if they wish, just as it has been possible for others. The movement has been slow to start, but appears to be accelerating. Today, Governor Dayton of Minnesota will sign the bill passed by both houses of Minnesota's state legislature. How did that happen?

In 2012, the voters of Minnesota said no to a horrible constitutional amendment that would have constitutionalized a ban on any marriage not between a man and a woman. That amendment was proposed by a Republican majority in both houses that was elected in the disastrous 2010 mid-term elections. In 2012, Minnesota voters corrected the mistake they had made in 2010, electing Democratic Party majorities in both houses of the legislature, a Democratic Governor, and defeating a disastrous constitutional amendment. Had that not happened in 2012, today's celebration would not be happening.

LGBT couples will be able to marry, beginning on August 1, 2013. For that we should all raise a glass today in celebration.

We should also take a moment to consider the disaster that was narrowly avoided. Had the turnout in the 2012 election been what it was in 2010, none of this would have happened. The lesson is simple: Every election has the potential to produce a disastrous result. For each election, like the upcoming 2014 election, we must turn out Democrats in the maximum number possible. That is the only way to prevent yet another takeover by Republicans in the Minnesota state legislature, and across the country. We cannot afford complacency, ennui, or apathy in any election. Too many things depend on our vote.

GOTV 2014!

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Marriage equality is now a fact in essentially a quarter of all states. (Original Post) MineralMan May 2013 OP
All politics is local, as the saying goes. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #1
You're right! Local elections do matter. MineralMan May 2013 #2
But without Federal change, this 'equality' you tout is nothing of the sort. It is rhetorical only. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #7
State by state, congressional district by congressional district. MineralMan May 2013 #9
I agree that many things should be regulated federally The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #10
Let me take issue with your math. cali May 2013 #3
It's 24%, yes. That's why I said "essentially." MineralMan May 2013 #4
Neither is 13. MNBrewer May 2013 #5
Not really. Fact is that in 29 States it is legal to discriminate against LGBT people in housing Bluenorthwest May 2013 #6
I modified the OP to reflect the actual percentage. MineralMan May 2013 #8
Which state will be #13? NewJeffCT May 2013 #11
Illinois may be next. MineralMan May 2013 #12

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
2. You're right! Local elections do matter.
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:33 AM
May 2013

In fact, they're everything. Every member of the House of Representatives is elected locally, too. Any of us can influence those local elections with campaigning, GOTV activism, door-knocking and more. It is how we can influence the politics of the entire nation. We can do more with our time and energy than we can with our donations. That has been proven over and over again.

GOTV 2014!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. But without Federal change, this 'equality' you tout is nothing of the sort. It is rhetorical only.
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:23 AM
May 2013

Equal means equal. When two couples are treated very differently they are not treated equally. Local in this regard does not go nearly far enough. You can not make equality on a piece by piece local basis when the Federal law demands discrimination. To claim 'we have equality' is just false and rather self serving in my opinion.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
9. State by state, congressional district by congressional district.
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:41 AM
May 2013

That is how change is done. National changes are made either by the legislature and the executive, or they are made by the federal court system. We can affect both by electing people committed to those changes. Beyond that, we have no power to change federal law as individuals.

If I could, I would change federal law directly. I cannot, so I work to elect and to influence people who can. That is what I can do. In Minnesota, we have taken a step, and every journey begins with one step.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
10. I agree that many things should be regulated federally
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:22 AM
May 2013

to ensure consistency throughout the country. However, it can start at the state level. Once enough states enact a particular law - marriage equality, for example - it will make it much easier for federal legislators to get enough support from their constituents to act on a federal level. Here in Minnesota there has been a big turnaround on marriage equality which occurred because we were able to elect a Democratic majority in the legislature as well as a Democratic governor. What happens at the state level makes a difference to federal legislators because ultimately they answer to the same voters. Action by states can lead to action at the federal level. It's not the ultimate solution but it's a good start.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Let me take issue with your math.
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:38 AM
May 2013

there are 50 states. Marriage equality exists in 12 states. That's certainly not 25%. It's great that these states have marriage equality but let's not fudge the numbers.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
4. It's 24%, yes. That's why I said "essentially."
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:42 AM
May 2013

A precise quarter of the states cannot exist. We cannot have 12.5 states do anything. With 12 states, we reached 24%. If you want to quibble about 1%, be my guest. My points still stand. Do you have "issues" with the rest of my post?

I qualified the percentage with "essentially," since it is impossible to attain an exact 25%. I did not fudge. I qualified.

Have a pleasant day. I'm going to be celebrating Minnesota's victory.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. Not really. Fact is that in 29 States it is legal to discriminate against LGBT people in housing
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:00 AM
May 2013

and employment or in any other way. So 59%. The Federal Law refuses to acknowledge these State laws, so when folks say 'we won equality' they are being very generous to themselves and not very thoughtful about the realities of this 'equality'. Sure it is good that it is done, but passing such laws should be used as platform to call for true equality, not as an excuse to claim that true equality is 25% accomplished. A straight here says 'all politics are local' to stroke themselves, but fact is without change on the national level, none of these State laws provide anything close to equality.
To call 'equal' a condition under which your community gets much more benefit than the community made 'equal' is clearly not equality.
In 59% of the USA, LGBT people have no protection from open discrimination and our marriages are not recognized by the United States government. 29 States and the United States Government openly discriminate against us. Is that also 'silly' to talk about when the straight folks want to pat themselves on the back?
Make some real change in DC. The rest is not worth much without it. Four years of 'reaching out' to Rick Warren and other hate mongers did great harm to progress in DC. And that was always the intention of the 'moderates' and centrists who want to claim to support while putting roadblocks and distractions in the path.
It gets old.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
8. I modified the OP to reflect the actual percentage.
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
May 2013

My points still stand, though, as I pointed out to the person making the objection.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
11. Which state will be #13?
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:28 AM
May 2013

California, depending on the Supreme Court ruling?

Looking at the map, I'd have said New Jersey, but if Chris Christie hopes to get the GOP nomination, he'd never allow it to happen.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
12. Illinois may be next.
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:13 PM
May 2013

It has passed their Senate, and is awaiting a vote in the House. The Governor says it will be signed. At this time, though, they're about 12 votes short in the House. I'm hoping that the success in Minnesota has some influence in Illinois.

Otherwise, California is the next best bet.

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