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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:12 PM May 2013

AP's "dangerous" leak of information: Here is what they did.

So Holder is claiming this was the most dangerous leak he's encountered. I don't see how this constitutes that, but judge for yourself:

<snip>

The attorney's office refused to say why the seizure had been made but it is almost certainly in relation to an AP exclusive report on 7 May last year in which it reported the CIA had stopped a plot by an al-Qaida affiliate in Yemen to destroy a US-bound airliner.

AP at the time agreed to White House and CIA requests to hold back publication because they said an intelligence operation was still under way. After being satisfied that these concerns had been met, AP published on the Monday, ignoring a request from the Obama administration to wait until Tuesday for the official announcement.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/14/associated-press-phone-records

oh noes. the AP published a story they had notified the White House and the CIA about, a day early. And it was not a story about an ongoing threat.

Really? You think this warrants the action DoJ took?

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AP's "dangerous" leak of information: Here is what they did. (Original Post) cali May 2013 OP
K&R MotherPetrie May 2013 #1
Holder is full of it quinnox May 2013 #2
In addition, it's my understanding that all FISA requests have to have the approval of the AG cali May 2013 #5
Slightly incorrect MetasticTwine May 2013 #9
Why do you keep throwing FISA out there? I've seen nothing that says it applied. randome May 2013 #18
It was a SECRET warrant. the only secret warrants are issued by the FISA court. cali May 2013 #24
What? Um, no. Really, no. In fact, that might be the funniest thing you've ever msanthrope May 2013 #29
AP used the word 'secret'. Because they didn't know about it. randome May 2013 #35
cali, you seem to be salivating over these recent stories Cali_Democrat May 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #19
I'm not salivating. I'm alarmed. this shit scares me. cali May 2013 #22
As always. +1 lamp_shade May 2013 #27
AMEN!! Just like "Americans" who always criticize our country even during times of war - just to try Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #39
The Benghazi crap is nothing, the IRS is mostly nothing, but the AP thing sucks. Hissyspit May 2013 #42
I doubt seriously you know what the hell you're going on about madokie May 2013 #4
tell it to the guardian, pumpkin. cali May 2013 #6
trust me I know enough to know what is going on with you madokie May 2013 #7
trust you? No. I don't trust people who tell me I deserved cali May 2013 #21
Appeal to authority. I like the Guardian but I don't trust it on everything. CJCRANE May 2013 #8
Pumpkin? What's that about. MineralMan May 2013 #20
There's history unvolved... Democracyinkind May 2013 #26
It doesn't matter. Personal attacks and insults MineralMan May 2013 #28
I agree. Democracyinkind May 2013 #30
Funny how must of the replies are made about you morningfog May 2013 #37
That is a H2O Man May 2013 #40
Well the information was gotten EC May 2013 #10
But the plot had already been stopped Yo_Mama May 2013 #13
I'm pretty sure intelligence agencies prefer CJCRANE May 2013 #15
I'm very skeptical of the government's actions here overall. BlueCheese May 2013 #11
Gosh! You don't trust the DOJ and CIA? Those paragons of truth telling? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #12
This article is from the Guardian. Aren't they right-wing teabagger rethugs? Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #14
Well, being Brits they probably do drink tea.... Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #17
No. Hissyspit May 2013 #23
I suppose you would rather have President Romney MNBrewer May 2013 #16
Maybe they didn't want to bad guys to know yet? snooper2 May 2013 #25
You're here to defend the AP. How unexpected! MjolnirTime May 2013 #31
Eric Holder is correct. I second it. If another 3000 died from terrorist hands like on 9-11, graham4anything May 2013 #32
This was a direct result of Congress demanding the administration find out where the leaks were... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #34
Ugh! You guys sound like Glenn Beck. Lest anyone forget Glenn Greenwald writes for the Guardian. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #33
During the Bush years - Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #43
recommended H2O Man May 2013 #36
Recommend ! KoKo May 2013 #38
DOJ is looking for who in the government leaked to AP. IADEMO2004 May 2013 #41
Good on AP -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #44
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. In addition, it's my understanding that all FISA requests have to have the approval of the AG
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:19 PM
May 2013

I may be wrong, but I've read that. If true, his denial of involvement is a tad specious.

 

MetasticTwine

(67 posts)
9. Slightly incorrect
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:33 PM
May 2013

Whenever the AG recuses her/himself from an investigation, an Acting Attorney General is named to that investigation. In the case this specific investigation, that was the Deputy Attorney General.

In his capacity as Acting Attorney General for this investigation, it would have been the purview of James Cole to make the call on the subpoena.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. Why do you keep throwing FISA out there? I've seen nothing that says it applied.
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:56 PM
May 2013

A subpoena was issued. That's not the same as a FISA warrant so far as I know.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
35. AP used the word 'secret'. Because they didn't know about it.
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:59 PM
May 2013

Is any prosecutorial agency required to notify the world when it conducts an investigation?

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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. cali, you seem to be salivating over these recent stories
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:17 PM
May 2013

you eagerly pound your keyboard and post on DU every time something comes out that you think will put the administration in an unflattering light.

I don't like the fact the phone records were subpoenaed, but it was technically legal. However, I'm not going to have an orgasm over this either.

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cali

(114,904 posts)
22. I'm not salivating. I'm alarmed. this shit scares me.
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:29 PM
May 2013

but feel free to make up ludicrous piles of shit about my motivations, dear.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
39. AMEN!! Just like "Americans" who always criticize our country even during times of war - just to try
Tue May 14, 2013, 05:07 PM
May 2013

to make America look bad and give aid and comfort to our enemies.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
4. I doubt seriously you know what the hell you're going on about
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:18 PM
May 2013

Thats what I think. Maybe you have an inside link to the DoJ and are keeping us in the dark as to what is actually going on but I doubt it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. tell it to the guardian, pumpkin.
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:22 PM
May 2013

and tell it to Senator Leahy who is also disturbed by this.

I don't think you're informed about, well, anything.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. trust me I know enough to know what is going on with you
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:32 PM
May 2013

and it ain't pretty. In fact its quiet unhealthy to get all wadded up like you have been lately and you need to stop before you have an aneurysm.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. trust you? No. I don't trust people who tell me I deserved
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:27 PM
May 2013

to be abused. You know nothing whatsoever about me. I know that YOU make sick, sick comments. Oh, and your faux apology was disgraceful.

Shame on you. Many times over.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
8. Appeal to authority. I like the Guardian but I don't trust it on everything.
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:33 PM
May 2013

It's done some great work in some areas but fallen flat in others.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
20. Pumpkin? What's that about.
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:23 PM
May 2013

Oh, wait...I know. It's an insult designed to minimize the person your calling that name. It's ugly, childish, and lame to do that. Just post your reply, say what you mean to say, and lay off the personal attacks. That's my advice.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
28. It doesn't matter. Personal attacks and insults
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:48 PM
May 2013

make for lousy discussion. I'm not interested in the history, nor do I know it. Calling people demeaning, sarcastic names is just plain bad manners, here or anywhere else.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
30. I agree.
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:50 PM
May 2013

Yet even here, we are but humans. All I'm saying is that the origin of that insult probably wasn't in this thread.

EC

(12,287 posts)
10. Well the information was gotten
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:40 PM
May 2013

by an infiltrator...maybe they didn't want Al Qaida in Yeman to know they had been infiltrated? Don't know, that seems important to me.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
13. But the plot had already been stopped
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:50 PM
May 2013

so I assume Al Qaeda knew they had been infiltrated. The implication in the linked article is that the admin didn't want this story published because it contradicted something said earlier, but who knows? I don't. I'm not questioning that the investigation occurred or should have occurred.

What bothers me so much about this is that I don't think a court would have allowed this subpoena to be served and I think that is reason AP wasn't told - so they could not seek judicial review. This is a subpoena issued directly by DOJ, it seems.

It's beyond belief that knowledge of a record request issued this year could have compromised the investigation (timing from this news account). But what would have "compromised the investigation" is a judge quashing the subpoena because it was overbroad.

If this is stonewalled it's going to court. Press organizations are not going to accept this type of move.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
15. I'm pretty sure intelligence agencies prefer
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
May 2013

to stop a plot in such a way that it seems like an accident or a coincidence*.

The best intelligence work is the stuff we don't hear about. Just like Valerie Plame before she was outed.

ETA: *because I assume there are usually other persons of interest in the network. If you tip them off that you're onto them then they're more likely to scatter.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
11. I'm very skeptical of the government's actions here overall.
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:45 PM
May 2013

If I may quibble on this particular issue, though, my guess is that they're concerned that the AP found out about it much earlier. Damage was minimized because the AP held the story until a day before the administration announced it, but they want to prevent the earlier leak in the future.

While that may be a legitimate concern (I don't know enough to say), I do think the burden of proof should be on the government to show that this wide dragnet was necessary. We should never simply trust the government, even if we believe it is being run by well-intentioned people.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
16. I suppose you would rather have President Romney
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:53 PM
May 2013

or Bachmann, or Cain, or Perry or whomever the latest one is.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. Maybe they didn't want to bad guys to know yet?
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:43 PM
May 2013

Yes, there are "bad guys" out there...


But it seems the concern trolls are pretty much just trying to score points with anything that can be tied to Obama. Man this place has changed since the election.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
32. Eric Holder is correct. I second it. If another 3000 died from terrorist hands like on 9-11,
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:52 PM
May 2013

people would question and ask why didn't they do something about it

better to be proactive than dead.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,239 posts)
34. This was a direct result of Congress demanding the administration find out where the leaks were...
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:58 PM
May 2013

coming from. Now they're all over him, because the DOJ followed up? I mean, WTF?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,239 posts)
33. Ugh! You guys sound like Glenn Beck. Lest anyone forget Glenn Greenwald writes for the Guardian.
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:56 PM
May 2013

Just sayin'.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
43. During the Bush years -
Tue May 14, 2013, 05:25 PM
May 2013

the Guardian was the prime mover and shaker paper in exposing the Bush/Blair lies on Iraq. They have an excellent record on getting the stories right. Just becasue you don't like the news they publish of the conclusions they come to doesn't mean they aren't accurate.

H2O Man

(73,594 posts)
36. recommended
Tue May 14, 2013, 05:02 PM
May 2013

I think that this is a disturbing threat to Amendment 1. And I think that is what is dangerous.

IADEMO2004

(5,557 posts)
41. DOJ is looking for who in the government leaked to AP.
Tue May 14, 2013, 05:13 PM
May 2013

Working a hot story can burn fingers. AP doing their job and DOJ doing theirs. Saddest part is GOP doing their job too.

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