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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:18 AM May 2013

Until this country is ready to acknowledge the damage being on a permanent war footing does

we're not going to change things.

DU is a reflection, in this way at least, of the larger society as a whole. We tend to ignore this issue. If I posted that today in Iraq dozens were killed by car bombs and that hundreds have been killed by bombings in the last week, it would sink like a stone. We like to think of Iraq as a success, but that's not true. It was an insanely expensive war that accomplished nothing for the U.S., except to enrich corporations.

If I were to post that that in Afghanistan, over a dozen U.S. troops have been killed in the month of May, that would be met with indifference. Afghanistan has been a huge expensive failure.

We target people with drones virtually everyday. All that does is enrage people around the world, and yep you guessed it, benefit the military industrial complex.

We maintain hundreds of bases around the world while we have the most expensive least effective health care system in the developed world.

We have an astounding 16 national security agencies with enormous bloated budgets. We can't really know how enormous. The intelligence budget is a secret. Meanwhile we cut food stamps and home heating funding.

Unless we include these facts in any national discussion about domestic policy, we're holding a pointless discussion.

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Until this country is ready to acknowledge the damage being on a permanent war footing does (Original Post) cali May 2013 OP
Very true. marmar May 2013 #1
And that's not half the damage Bannakaffalatta May 2013 #2
you are absolutely right and thank you for filling in the gaps cali May 2013 #4
Five years ago DU wasn't so apathetic about war Fumesucker May 2013 #3
people here are supporting the most outlandish things cali May 2013 #5
I've long maintained that the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were for nothing more than... Initech May 2013 #6
It's hard to see it any other way cali May 2013 #7
kick cali May 2013 #8
I went beyond enraged. Bonobo May 2013 #9
I hear you. cali May 2013 #10
'who' always represents the interests of the ruling class. duh. HiPointDem May 2013 #13
Work to dump the Republicans. The rest will follow. randome May 2013 #11
who's this 'we' you speak of? there are people here who've been 'acknowledging' it for years. HiPointDem May 2013 #12
uh, that's fairly obvious, dear. cali May 2013 #14
apparently not to you, dear. speaking of creepy narcissism. HiPointDem May 2013 #16
K&R Solly Mack May 2013 #15
 

Bannakaffalatta

(94 posts)
2. And that's not half the damage
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:57 AM
May 2013

Think of all the physically and psychologically scarred veterans.
The irreparable harm already done and still being done to the constitution, to civil liberties and judicial procedure.
The environmental degradation cause by the manufacture, transport, deployment and disposal of ordnance.
The entrenched hatred and bitterness that will take decades to ease.

And my deepest concern: the crazy-making contradiction between what America is supposed to be and what it actually does, inflicted on two generations of young people. I'm not sure they'll recover.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. Five years ago DU wasn't so apathetic about war
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:01 AM
May 2013

Sad to see that enthusiasm for peace wane so rapidly.

What a difference a letter makes.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. people here are supporting the most outlandish things
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:13 AM
May 2013

I guess I shouldn't be but I am surprised by the difference that letter makes in the minds of so many

Initech

(100,076 posts)
6. I've long maintained that the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were for nothing more than...
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:15 AM
May 2013

Obscene profit gains for the defense contractors that make up the military industrial complex. Bill Maher had a great new rule a couple weeks ago about how we as a country are addicted to war and until we change that we're not going to change anything else.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. It's hard to see it any other way
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:24 AM
May 2013

but it's just not something that people want to recognize. And if that's true here, it's even more true in the broader society.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. kick
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:51 AM
May 2013

it's not gonna happen of course.

It won't happen in Congress.

It won't happen in the media.

It won't even happen here.

We are fucked until it happens.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
9. I went beyond enraged.
Thu May 23, 2013, 07:16 AM
May 2013

The last 5 years taught me a level of cynicism and, frankly, woke me to the fact that all was not the evil work of a rogue little chimp named Bush.

I wanted to believe that what the US was under Bush was not the true US. But a pitcher of water was thrown in my face when we all pulled together and did the incredible by electing Obama. It seemed like such a victory, such a slap back at Bush. As if we were repudiating all that he had done.

And then... I woke up.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. I hear you.
Thu May 23, 2013, 07:18 AM
May 2013

Sometimes I wonder if the problem isn't so deeply rooted in institutions that who has become essentially irrelevant.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Work to dump the Republicans. The rest will follow.
Thu May 23, 2013, 07:20 AM
May 2013

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[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
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HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
12. who's this 'we' you speak of? there are people here who've been 'acknowledging' it for years.
Thu May 23, 2013, 07:23 AM
May 2013

funny you posting this after savaging me because i dared criticize angelina jolie, when she's an agent of our disasterous foreign policy.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. uh, that's fairly obvious, dear.
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:02 AM
May 2013

I spell it out. That you are so wrapped up in your wee self that you think it's of any import that you and a few other people on DU acknowledge it, is irrelevant, except to make clear a certain narcissism.

And your bizarre focus on Angelina Jolie is, uh, disturbing and creepy as hell- to say the least.

Ugh.

go away.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
16. apparently not to you, dear. speaking of creepy narcissism.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:03 PM
May 2013

maybe in another 10 years you might actually understand my point about the jolie-pitts, just as it took you years to comprehend the point you post as if it were revelatory here.

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