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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:45 PM May 2013

Man gets payout for not shaking woman's hand

Man gets payout for not shaking woman's hand

A town in western Sweden has agreed to pay damages to a man who was told he wouldn't be hired if he refused to shake a woman's hand for religious reasons.

The decision by officials in Trollhättan to pay the man 30,000 kronor ($4,500) means the municipality won't have to face a review of the case by Sweden's Equality Ombudsman (Diskrimineringsombudsmannen).

The incident stemmed from an office visit by a man who had been offered an internship with the integration division at Trollhättan municipality.

When the man was set to meet a female supervisor at the office, he refused to shake her hand, explaining his religion forbade him from shaking hands with women unless he washed his hands directly afterwards.

The female supervisor then reportedly told the man that he could not intern at the office if he was not comfortable shaking everybody's hand. She also allegedly added that the office had hand sanitizer that he could use.

http://www.thelocal.se/48008/20130520/#.UZqnCdj4Kt0

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Man gets payout for not shaking woman's hand (Original Post) The Straight Story May 2013 OP
That is the stupidest...most ridiculous..aaaargghh! louis-t May 2013 #1
Actually some fundamentalist Muslims and Orthodox Jews won't shake a woman's hand, ever. riderinthestorm May 2013 #9
Knew it had to be a fundie siligut May 2013 #11
So why won't an Orthodox woman shake a man's hand? Betsy Ross May 2013 #24
Because clearly there are women who believe that brainwashed crap too. riderinthestorm May 2013 #25
i agre with the female supervisor - the man should not be hired. samsingh May 2013 #2
what if he said "i don't drink with you" Enrique May 2013 #3
Sorry. cloudbase May 2013 #27
So this guy gets rewarded for being a misogynist, superstitious bellend? Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #4
What bullshit! smirkymonkey May 2013 #5
Wasn't that the "safe word" in Fla_Democrat May 2013 #6
Atheism makes more sense every day. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #7
Why are handshakes part of the job? nt geek tragedy May 2013 #8
Meeting with clients? Matariki May 2013 #10
municipal government position. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #12
You're hairsplitting Matariki May 2013 #13
Obvi the guy has fairly backwards views. geek tragedy May 2013 #14
What if someone he had to deal with professionally extended their hand to shake? Matariki May 2013 #15
I don't think physical contact is part of an office job. geek tragedy May 2013 #16
As a woman I'd feel offended, and discriminated against if I were going in for contract negotiations riderinthestorm May 2013 #17
And that's probably why they initially sacked the guy. geek tragedy May 2013 #18
He wasn't sacked. He simply wasn't hired and filed suit. riderinthestorm May 2013 #19
We're talking about shaking hands here. Matariki May 2013 #21
Very common when meeting people. geek tragedy May 2013 #22
You know this was the INTEGRATION office? If someone were discriminating against me as a woman riderinthestorm May 2013 #23
I am unaware of what an 'integration office' does. geek tragedy May 2013 #26
I won't shake hands with anyone any more. 0zone May 2013 #20

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
1. That is the stupidest...most ridiculous..aaaargghh!
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:54 PM
May 2013

What religion forbids a man to shake hands with a woman unless he washes his hands afterward? I've never heard of this. Then he gets paid for it?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
9. Actually some fundamentalist Muslims and Orthodox Jews won't shake a woman's hand, ever.
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:19 PM
May 2013


Reasons are usually about womanly uncleanliness (that time of the month), misogyny, and fear of being sexually attracted doncha know by touching her skin...



siligut

(12,272 posts)
11. Knew it had to be a fundie
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:25 PM
May 2013

I can't think of a single fundie religion that doesn't treat women like second class citizens.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
25. Because clearly there are women who believe that brainwashed crap too.
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:38 PM
May 2013

They believe shaking hands will lead to mad sex etc.

FWIW, there are women who ENFORCE burqa wearing even though it effectively disappears women from society. Sometimes women can even be bigger enforcers of religious rules relegating women to second class status, more so than men.

Brainwashed? Stockholm Syndrome?

I dunno but I know its true.



Enrique

(27,461 posts)
3. what if he said "i don't drink with you"
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:56 PM
May 2013

by the way, i want to be a Diskrimineringsombudsmannen when i grow up

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
7. Atheism makes more sense every day.
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:10 PM
May 2013

Misogyny has been a religious value since Abraham was declared a righteous man. or before.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
13. You're hairsplitting
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:33 PM
May 2013

If the person doing the hiring says that part of the job requires shaking hands, as per the article, then we can assume that it's part of the job to greet people, whether clients, or the public, or business contracts with the city or whatever.

Someone who can't shake women's hands needs a job in a cave, or an all-male monastery, or on mars, or under the sea. Ugh.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Obvi the guy has fairly backwards views.
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:34 PM
May 2013

On the other hand, I'm not seeing the big deal of not shaking hands.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
15. What if someone he had to deal with professionally extended their hand to shake?
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013

And that person was a woman? It would be very awkward and insulting to refuse, don't you think?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. I don't think physical contact is part of an office job.
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:39 PM
May 2013

It's not exactly unheard of for religious conservatives to have an issue with physical contact with someone of the opposite gender other than one's spouse.

It's a silly objection he's making, but free exercise is all about silly objections that aren't burdensome to accomodate.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. As a woman I'd feel offended, and discriminated against if I were going in for contract negotiations
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:56 PM
May 2013

or any other matter with a government employee and they refused to shake my hand.

I don't care what reason they gave.

In a secular government institution, if the representative of that governmental institution was so offended by my sex they would refuse to shake my hand, I'd be more than annoyed.

YMMV

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. And that's probably why they initially sacked the guy.
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:57 PM
May 2013

Scandinavian countries tend to be more sensitive to gender equality concerns than the US is.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
19. He wasn't sacked. He simply wasn't hired and filed suit.
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:59 PM
May 2013

It looks more like a settlement to make the case go away than anything else. He only got @ $4500 which isn't much actually. Sounds like a token amount to pacify him and make it all go away.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
21. We're talking about shaking hands here.
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:16 PM
May 2013

A very common thing in a professional environment. I'm having a hard time believing that you don't actually understand that and aren't just looking for something to argue about.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
23. You know this was the INTEGRATION office? If someone were discriminating against me as a woman
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:21 PM
May 2013

by refusing to shake my hand, I'd have a very, very hard time believing the credibility of the integration office's efforts on my behalf. For anything. From applying for permits, or helping me in my work place, or negotiating contracts or well, just about anything...



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. I am unaware of what an 'integration office' does.
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:38 PM
May 2013

Admittedly, my ignorance of that could invalidate my commentary here.

Cheers.

0zone

(60 posts)
20. I won't shake hands with anyone any more.
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:07 PM
May 2013

I have had to deal with the muscle men that try to squeeze the blood out of your hand and break every bone in your hand. Then there are the ones who shake and then tell you how sick they are. I tell everyone I have arthritis in my hand and let it go at that.

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