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Written a few days after March 11, 2011, the story of what then was "the world's worst nuclear accident" in pictures...
http://photos.denverpost.com/2011/03/15/a-look-at-chernobyl-the-worlds-worst-nuclear-accident/#21
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Jimmy Carter, not a BFEE man, tried to warn us away from where we are today. He also was the one to put the brakes on nuclear. Good man. Windmills indeed.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Why do you spend so much time tracking what I post, siddithers? Do you not like learning things about the BFEE?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I rarely, rarely reply or post in your threads, octafish.
I admit I'm usually amused by your conspiracist worldview. I often read your stuff, 'cause it's entertaining in a tin-foil kind of way, but it's not worth it to engage you.
In this case, I found the first reply to your thread so bang-on accurate that I had to jump in. Sue me.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Which makes you... wrong.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Never anything to add.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You, Octafish, are a leader.
I've been a birder since 1980. Can name a 100 birds on the wing just by glancing. Back about 1990 I began to notice fewer birds flying. Each year a few less bird numbers in flight.
Something was wrong and I looked and looked for the reason of dwindling numbers of birds. Chernobyl is so far away. But while reading about Chernobyl 10 years ago, thanks to the internet, I found Chernobyl had spread worldwide and ornithologists had found that radiation was killing birds.
And the last two seasons have been the worst for bird watching. Fukushima? Gulf oil spill?
It is beginning to add up... the radiation is. It lasts a long time. It is a poison. It is toxic. It is deadly. Did I mention it lasts a long time?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The story connects a few dots from the present day back to World War II.
War crime, Yakuza, Secret Government. Why not?
Japans Nuclear Industry: The CIA Link.
By Eleanor Warnock
June 1, 2012, 10:18 AM JST.
Wall Street Journal Blog
Tetsuo Arima, a researcher at Waseda University in Tokyo, told JRT he discovered in the U.S. National Archives a trove of declassified CIA files that showed how one man, Matsutaro Shoriki, was instrumental in jumpstarting Japans nascent nuclear industry.
Mr. Shoriki was many things: a Class A war criminal, the head of the Yomiuri Shimbun (Japans biggest-selling and most influential newspaper) and the founder of both the countrys first commercial broadcaster and the Tokyo Giants baseball team. Less well known, according to Mr. Arima, was that the media mogul worked with the CIA to promote nuclear power.
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Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shorikis behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.
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Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shorikis behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/06/01/japans-nuclear-industry-the-cia-link/
After President Carter was out of office, it was pretty much full-steam ahead for the Japanese bomb during the Pruneface Ronnie-Poppy Bush years. Hence, Fukushima Daiichi Number 3 and other select Japanese reactors were set up to process plutonium uranium fuels.
United States Circumvented Laws To Help Japan Accumulate Tons of Plutonium
By Joseph Trento
on April 9th, 2012
National Security News Service
The United States deliberately allowed Japan access to the United States most secret nuclear weapons facilities while it transferred tens of billions of dollars worth of American tax paid research that has allowed Japan to amass 70 tons of weapons grade plutonium since the 1980s, a National Security News Service investigation reveals. These activities repeatedly violated U.S. laws regarding controls of sensitive nuclear materials that could be diverted to weapons programs in Japan. The NSNS investigation found that the United States has known about a secret nuclear weapons program in Japan since the 1960s, according to CIA reports.
The diversion of U.S. classified technology began during the Reagan administration after it allowed a $10 billion reactor sale to China. Japan protested that sensitive technology was being sold to a potential nuclear adversary. The Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations permitted sensitive technology and nuclear materials to be transferred to Japan despite laws and treaties preventing such transfers. Highly sensitive technology on plutonium separation from the U.S. Department of Energys Savannah River Site and Hanford nuclear weapons complex, as well as tens of billions of dollars worth of breeder reactor research was turned over to Japan with almost no safeguards against proliferation. Japanese scientist and technicians were given access to both Hanford and Savannah River as part of the transfer process.
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A year ago a natural disaster combined with a man-made tragedy decimated Northern Japan and came close to making Tokyo, a city of 30 million people, uninhabitable. Nuclear tragedies plague Japans modern history. It is the only nation in the world attacked with nuclear weapons. In March 2011, after a tsunami swept on shore, hydrogen explosions and the subsequent meltdowns of three reactors at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant spewed radiation across the region. Like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan will face the aftermath for generations. A twelve-mile area around the site is considered uninhabitable. It is a national sacrifice zone.
How Japan ended up in this nuclear nightmare is a subject the National Security News Service has been investigating since 1991. We learned that Japan had a dual use nuclear program. The public program was to develop and provide unlimited energy for the country. But there was also a secret component, an undeclared nuclear weapons program that would allow Japan to amass enough nuclear material and technology to become a major nuclear power on short notice.
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http://www.dcbureau.org/201204097128/national-security-news-service/united-states-circumvented-laws-to-help-japan-accumulate-tons-of-plutonium.html
Those of who have seen The World at War series on the tee vee are familiar with the black and white footage and great narrative chronicling the main events and figures of World War II. One of those episodes was entitled "The Bomb" and featured an interview with John J. McCloy, Assistant Secretary of War to President Roosevelt and President Truman.
Here's part of what Mr. McCloy said about the Atomic Bomb the use of which he counseled only as a last resort, after warning Japan to surrender (around 7:30 mark of Part 2):
Besides that, weve got a new force, a new type of energy that will revolutionize warfare, destructive beyond any contemplation. Id said, Id mention the bomb. Mentioning the bomb, even at that late date, in that select group, was like, it was like they were all shocked. Because it was such a closely guarded secret. It was comparable to mentioning Skull and Bones at Yale which youre not supposed to do.
After the war, McCloy was the United States High Commissioner to Germany, administering the U.S. zone of occupation, making him one of the front-line leaders of the Cold War. In that capacity, one of the questionable things he did was to forgive several NAZI industrialists and war criminals.
The great cartoonist Herb Block, HERBLOCK, depicted McCloy holding open a prison door for a NAZI, while in the background Stalin took a photo (if anyone has a copy or link to the cartoon, Id be much obliged). About 15 years later, Mr. McCloy served the nation as a member of the Warren Commission.
While he wasnt a member of Skull and Bones, McCloy certainly worked closely with a bunch of them, including Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush. As a Wall Street and Washington insider, "Mr. Establishment" he was called, Mr. McCloy used the offices of government to centralize power and wealth. That is most un-democratic.
Mother Jones goes into detail:
The Nuclear Weapons Industry's Money Bombs
How millions in campaign cash and revolving-door lobbying have kept America's atomic arsenal off the chopping block.
By R. Jeffrey Smith, Center for Public Integrity
Mother Jones
Wed Jun. 6, 2012 3:00 AM PDT
Employees of private companies that produce the main pieces of the US nuclear arsenal have invested more than $18 million in the election campaigns of lawmakers that oversee related federal spending, and the companies also employ more than 95 former members of Congress or Capitol Hill staff to lobby for government funding, according to a new report.
The Center for International Policy, a nonprofit group that supports the "demilitarization" of US foreign policy, released the report on Wednesday to highlight what it described as the heavy influence of campaign donations and pork-barrel politics on a part of the defense budget not usually associated with large profits or contractor power: nuclear arms.
As Congress deliberated this spring on nuclear weapons-related projects, including funding for the development of more modern submarines and bombers, the top 14 contractors gave nearly $3 million to the 2012 reelection campaigns of lawmakers whose support they needed for these and other projects, the report disclosed.
Half of that sum went to members of the four key committees or subcommittees that must approve all spending for nuclear armsthe House and Senate Armed Services Committees and the Energy and Water or Defense appropriations subcommittees, according to data the Center compiled from the nonprofit Center for Responsive Politics. The rest went to lawmakers who are active on nuclear weapons issues because they have related factories or laboratories in their states or districts.
Members of the House Armed Services Committee this year have sought to erect legislative roadblocks to further reductions in nuclear arms, and also demanded more spending for related facilities than the Obama administration sought, including $100 million in unrequested funds for a new plant that will make plutonium cores for nuclear warheads, and $374 million for a new ballistic missile-firing submarine. The House has approved those requests, but the Senate has not held a similar vote on the 2013 defense bill.
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/nuclear-bombs-congress-elections-campaign-donations
It isn't ironic or coincidental. It is the Establishment, the in-group, the Elite, the One-Percent thats pretty much gotten the lions share of the wealth created over the last 50 years. The same group thats pretty much had their fingers on the atomic button ever since the Bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as profited from the development of nuclear power, nuclear weapons, and the almost continuous state of war since then. For lack of a better term, I call them the BFEE, or War Party.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Make me worry that a large part of the USA could be like this, someday soon.
The people have learned but the officials in power have not.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)San Onofre were shut down almost 18 months ago?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Was set t be approved and go back online, but then there were obvious problems.
Here is a recent article on what is going on:
Source: Common Dreams
Los Angeles to San Onofre: "Not So Fast!"
by Harvey Wasserman
A unanimous Los Angeles City Council has demanded the Nuclear Regulatory Commission conduct extended investigations before any restart at the San Onofre atomic power plant.
(Photo: NRCgov/ Flickr)The move reflects a deep-rooted public opposition to resumed operations at reactors perched in a tsunami zone near earthquake faults that threaten all of southern California.
Meanwhile, yet another top-level atomic insider has told ABC News that San Onofre Units 2 and 3 are not safe to operate.
On April 23, LA's eleven City Council members approved a resolution directing the NRC to "make no decision about restarting either San Onofre unit" until it conducts a "prudent, transparent and precautionary" investigation. The city wants "ample opportunity" for public comment and confirmation that "mandated repairs, replacements, or other actions" have been completed to guarantee the public safety.
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I have no idea who the "insider" is who mentions to the press that Units Two And Three are not safe to operate. (This is not a good time to be a whistle blower. Not under this Administration, and certainly not in terms of nuke energy, which is a favored "clean energy" by the President.)
On the positive side, Senator Boxer has some pull on the issue. Maybe she can oversee the situation before a seriously disastrous decision is made.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Mitsubishi psid for flaws at San Onofre...
http://m.ocregister.com/articles/edison-496624-steam-generators.html
San Onofre, we got a problem...
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/03/1061604/-San-Onofre-We-ve-Got-a-Problem
Autumn
(45,107 posts)Thanks for posting this.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"Tell the People of Japan to run." -- Natalia Manzurova, a surviving Chernobyl "Liquidator"
Natalia Manzurova, now 59, has suffered a variety of ailments since she worked at Chernobyl, but she says she is the only member of her team still alive.
Surviving Chernobyl Cleaner: 'Tell The People Of Japan To Run!'
Dana Kennedy
AOL
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What message do you have for Japan?
Run away as quickly as possible. Don't wait. Save yourself and don't rely on the government because the government lies. They don't want you to know the truth because the nuclear industry is so powerful.
When you were called to go to Chernobyl, did you know how bad it was there?
I had no idea and never knew the true scope until much later. It was all covered in secrecy. I went there as a professional because I was told to -- but if I was asked to liquidate such an accident today, I'd never agree. The sacrifices the Fukushima workers are making are too high because the nuclear industry was developed in such a way that the executives don't hold themselves accountable to the human beings who have to clean up a disaster. It's like nuclear slavery.
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http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/22/chernobyl-cleanup-survivors-message-for-japan-run-away-as-qui
Chernobyl story helps explain the scarcity of real news and information from TEPCO, Japan, the IAEA, the U.S. NRC...Corporate McPravda... since 1986...
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)A biologist reports, even when living in a high-radiation environment, some species may thrive without people.
Fallout Zone Glow?
The scientific debate about Europes unlikeliest wildlife sanctuary.
By Mary Mycio
Slate.com, Monday, Jan. 21, 2013
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Roe deer and wild boar caught here in the early 1990s packed more than 2,000 times the safety norms for cesium-137 in meat. Though internal radiation levels have since dropped dramatically, some animals recently tested in Belarus still exceeded safe levels by dozens of times.
But in a surprise to just about everyone, the animals all looked physically normal. The same was true of other species testedradioactive but normal-looking. The few known exceptions include albino spots and some deformities in barn swallows.
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And because the health of wild animal species is usually judged by their numbers rather than the conditions of individuals, Chernobyl wildlife is considered healthy. According to all the population counts performed by Ukraine and Belarus over the past 27 years, there is enormous animal diversity and abundance. The prevailing scientific view of the exclusion zone has become that it is an unintentional wildlife sanctuary. This conclusion rests on the premise that radiation is less harmful to wildlife populations than we are.
In an effort to challenge that view, biologists Timothy Mousseau of the University of South Carolina and Anders Moller of the University of Paris have published a series of papers claiming that populations of insects, birds, and mammals are declining in Chernobyls most contaminated regions. They also contend that birds avoid nesting in highly radioactive areas. They dismiss contrary reports of animal abundance as anecdotes.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/nuclear_power/2013/01/wildlife_in_chernobyl_debate_over_mutations_and_populations_of_plants_and.html
Great slide show, there, too.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)But just to have a chance to fish it would be amazing and what a story.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)gordianot
(15,240 posts)Some really weird crystals now called Chernobylite. Maybe in 20,000 years someone can figure out what they are, but even that is doubtful. Watch out what gets built in your neighborhood. It will take decades if not centuries to build the containment dome at Chernobyl.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Worker checks Elephants Foot site a decade after the indcident. (Stringer/Reuters)
Deep in the remains of the Chernobyl Power Plant lies what is an aptly titled structure known as the Elephants Foot. Over 2 meters wide and weighing tons, its the remnants of a molten fuel/sand mixture that dripped through the floors of the plant after the reactor explosion.
Initially the mixture was emitting over 10,000 Roentgens per minute (500 roentgens in five hours is lethal). Initial photos(months after the accident) had to be taken by sending a wheeled camera (video here) to the mass to take pictures. 10 years later, in the second photo, they were around 800.
SOURCE: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/elephant's%20foot
Incredible bravery.
Special Report: 1997: Chernobyl
Containing Chernobyl?
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In December 1986, an intensely radioactive mass was discovered in the basement of Unit Four and scientists rigged up a crude wheeled camera to investigate. The mass was more than two metres across and weighed hundreds of tons. Because of its odd wrinkled shape, it was christened, "the elephant's foot". To approach it meant certain death.
Analysis of the material showed that it was composed of sand, glass and nuclear fuel, and the proportion of sand suggested to scientists that a large amount of fuel had escaped from the reactor in this form. Underneath the reactor, the investigation team found steaming hot concrete and, draining into the basement, lava and spectacular unknown crystalline forms - Chernobylite.
The findings meant that the risk of a second explosion had receded, but that serious problems remained.
The walls of the sarcophagus are starting to fall down, having been built straight on top of the collapsed and unstable reactor walls. If the walls collapse, the resulting radioactive dust will escape. The explosion also threw the 2000 ton reactor lid into the air. It fell on its edge into the mouth of the core, and rests at a precarious angle half way down.
Scientists who worked on the Complex Exploration say that there are likely to be major collapses in the next ten years without further construction work.
Russian research into Chernobyl has now been cut back because of safety problems, and the high death rate - caused by radiation and the stress related conditions - of the scientists involved.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/special_report/1997/chernobyl/33005.stm
And humanity's leaders put their fingers in their ears and keep on going "La-dee-da la-dee-da...I can't hear you..." Geece.
gordianot
(15,240 posts)There were actually divers who swam into the cooling pool who closed valves to prevent a nuclear explosion they expired soon after. It appears a fungus growing in the sarcophagus lives off the radiation. You can tour Chernobyl for a mere $250.00 any takers?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...some argued the guys got fried, others saying because the image was taken about 10 years after the melt-down, the thing had "cooled" off considerably, allowing for a quick visit.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=672660
Personally, I wouldn't recommend even a quick visit, although a virtual tour sounds interesting.
Mrs. Raisa Gorbachev toured Chernobyl with her husband Mikhael in 1986. She suffered a stroke in 1993 and developed leukemia in 1999, cancer which claimed her life. No telling if the onset of the conditions are related to the visit. Were not so much research conducted in secret, we would know more.
byeya
(2,842 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)the procedural mechanisms for the industrys insurance coverage.
PDF with details from the People's perspective: http://www.citizen.org/documents/Price%20Anderson%20Factsheet.pdf
The elected servants of the People, for some reason -- probably very practical and certainly for the good of $ociety -- sided with Big Science in deciding to allow the People to pick up the nuclear disaster tab, should anything untoward occur:
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here's an online resource:
THE HUMAN RADIATION EXPERIMENTS
How scientists secretly used US citizens as guinea pigs
during the Cold War
By Alan R Cantwell Jr., M.D.
New Dawn No. 68 (September-October 2001)
Disinformation and Nuclear Fallout
Secret Radiation Experiments
The Atomic Energy Commission
Uranium Mine Workers
Medical Ethics of the Cold War
The Presidents Advisory Committee
Keeping Government Secrets
Current Secret Biomedical Experimentation
Does Secret Medical Experimentation Continue?
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http://www.whale.to/a/cantwell9.html
Secret history is a downer, not only because it's so full of heinous acts perpetrated on humanity, but also because by it's very nature it is so un-democratic.
madokie
(51,076 posts)and should shut down our nuclear power plants before we have one of these situations on our hands here in the USA. Its only a matter of time before it will be too late.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A handy list of U.S. Nuclear Accidents with links.
The Chicago incident on April 18 was too recent for the above...
http://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2013/04/nuclear-accident-in-chicago.html
As was the incident across Lake Michigan in South Haven on May 6...
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2013/05/water_leak_at_palisades_nuclea.html
You are absolutely correct, madokie. We need to find a better way to boil water.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Just based on how these plants are constructed, a Chernobyl-like incident on US soil is almost certainly not going to happen. Chernobyl was very poorly designed with numerous faults and there are very few reactors on the planet like that still in operation.
That being said, there are a few plants in the US that do pose a significant risk that should be of concern. Accidents like 3-mile island or Fukushima is a real possibility.
madokie
(51,076 posts)The likelihood if we did have an accident at some of our plants could render a large section of all too scarce land uninhabitable by man is too great for me.
reusrename
(1,716 posts)Given the natural tension between profits and safety, my expectations are that corners will continue to be cut closer and closer in the name of corporate greed until another major disaster ensues. Recent events in the Gulf should make this perfectly obvious.
This is the path we are on. They will not stop; they will not police themselves; they don't even know why they should have to.
The only hope we have is change. We won't make it very far if we just continue on the current path and pretend that everything is fine.
juusern0
(1 post)Hi, basing on that photo, I made a drawing "chernobyl disaster", "enjoy" it, Norbert http://www.flickr.com/photos/125086387@N02/14373622140/in/photostream/