Pretty simple, really!

Can you provide a better source, please. A reputable Canadian newspaper reporting the same thing would be fine.

Thanks.

Edit: I don't mean to dispute that there was election fraud in 2011. But your sources are shit, again.

Sid

Out of Iran. Not sure how reliable the info is.

and eutimes is a far-right "news" organization with distinct neo-nazi opinions.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/European_Union_Times

Earlier this week, the OP was using holocaust-denier Gordon Duff as a source. Now, they're using neo-nazi eutimes.

I'm beginning to wonder about their intentions here.

Sid

I'll remember that for the future.

Calling into question the integrity of the Canadian election system, and using an article from the propaganda arm of the Iranian government to do it.

You know, 'cause Iran is noted for their fair and honest elections.



Sid

and you can get hundreds of hits from Canadian sources about the 2011 scandal.

Such as this press release from the Council of Canadians:

"The Federal Court has found in no uncertain terms that widespread election fraud took place during the 2011 federal election. The ruling clearly states that “there was an orchestrated effort to suppress votes during the 2011 election campaign by a person with access to the [Conservative Party’s] CIMS database.”

http://www.canadians.org/media/other/2013/24-May-13.html

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of reputable sources which detail the election fraud during the 2011 Canadian election.

So why did the OP link us to neo-nazi eutimes.net, regurgitating the spin put out by Iranian state media pressTV?

And why has the OP refused to edit out the link leading to eutimes, replacing it with one that doesn't think:

"The Holocaust won’t protect Israel forever"

or

"Marion Jones – Are Blacks Physically Superior or Just Cheaters?" (since edited to remove "or Just Cheaters&quot

Sid

I think someone else put some links below...this was all over the news last week here in Canada. I can't wait to rub this in with my conservative brother. He said if there was one thing that would turn him off the conservatives forever, this would be it. I guess I'll ask him if he's voting liberal or NDP now, lol.

But really, this is no surprise. It's too bad it seems there are no consequences - I guess the lesson here is don't get caught, but if you do, it's not a big deal. I hope, at least, that this is the conservative party's undoing with voting Canadians.

Just as we wouldn't use the Fox News spin to try to accurately describe a story like this, we shouldn't settle for the pressTV spin either.

The other links provided, particularly The Star, and CBC, are excellent. They've been following the story for a long time.

Sid

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/24/electoral-fraud-did-take-place-in-2011-federal-vote-but-it-didnt-affect-outcome-judge-rules/


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2013/05/for-the-record-federal-court-ruling-on-robocalls-and-electoral-fraud.html


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/federal-court-rules-fraudulent-robocalls-didn-t-affect-071343364.html

that we are graced with in the OP.

Thanks for adding them.

Sid

Federal judge confirms election fraud in 2011 vote

http://www.canada.com/Federal+judge+confirms+election+fraud+2011+vote/8427519/story.html

Judge says there was election fraud in 2011 but can't say who did it :

"A Federal Court judge has ruled a crime was committed in the last general election but the case is still a whodunit.

Judge Richard Mosley said voters in at least six ridings across the country were victims of electoral fraud during the 2011 general election, but he stopped short of naming the perpetrators of the fraud.

The Council of Canadians had backed an effort by a handful of voters in those six ridings to have the judge overturn the results of the election. The Council argued the fraud was part of an orchestrated campaign by the Conservative Party of Canada (CPC) to prevent those who were going to vote for other parties from casting a ballot.

Mosely, in a 100-page judgment released late Thursday, concluded that a "geographically widespread but ... thinly scattered" campaign to mislead voters did exist but said he could not reach the conclusion that it was a campaign perpetrated by the Tories.

http://www.cochranetimes.com/2013/05/23/judge-says-there-was-election-fraud-in-2011-but-cant-say-who-did-it

Federal court finds fraud in six ridings in last election

Election results to stand despite “concerted campaign” to suppress :

OTTAWA — Electoral fraud occurred during the last federal election, a federal court judge ruled on Thursday, but there is no proof that it affected the outcomes in six ridings at issue so the elections will not be overturned.

The court challenge was brought by the Council of Canadians, which sought to overturn the election of six Conservative MPs who won close ridings where there was evidence that someone tried to affect the results by calling opposition supporters and telling them their polling stations had moved.

Federal Court Judge Richard Mosley ruled that the calls “struck at the integrity of the electoral process by attempting to dissuade voters from casting ballots for their preferred candidates. This form of ‘voter suppression,’ was, until the 41st General Election, largely unknown in this country.”

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Federal+court+finds+fraud+ridings+last+election/8427435/story.html

Your neo-nazi source in the OP didn't really go into that part.

Sid

I aim to please.

Did you even check that site out, before using it as a source at DU?

Sid

Nobody explained the site posting rules here to me. Please enlighten me.

Election Fraud finding by Federal Court points directly at Conservative Party,
says Council of Canadians;

The Federal Court has found in no uncertain terms that widespread election fraud took place during the 2011 federal election. The ruling clearly states that “there was an orchestrated effort to suppress votes during the 2011 election campaign by a person with access to the [Conservative Party’s] CIMS database.”

“This Federal Court decision is a major indictment of the Conservative Party of Canada,” says Garry Neil, Executive Director of the Council of Canadians. “Either senior leaders of the Conservative Party were directly involved in election fraud or they were astoundingly negligent in securing access to their voter database. Illegal or incompetent—just like in the Senate scandal.”

"The Council of Canadians is calling on the Conservative Party to make public the list of everyone who had access to the national CIMS database and authority to make a decision to launch such a campaign, as well as turning the information over to the Commissioner of Elections and the RCMP. The Council argues that anything less at this point would be a cover-up.

“The use of the Conservative Party’s CIMS database to attack democracy and the deepening scandal around Nigel Wright, Mike Duffy and the PMO both reflect the determination of this regime to avoid accountability at all costs,” says Council of Canadians national chairperson Maude Barlow.

The Council of Canadians notes that the non-cooperation, obstructionism, and attempts to derail the Federal Court case by the Conservative Party makes it look like Prime Minister Harper has something to hide.

“The Prime Minister needs to answer some serious questions,” says Barlow. “Did Harper authorize the use of CIMS for voter suppression? If not who did? The Federal Court has found that CIMS was used for extensive election fraud. It’s now up to Conservative Party to tell Canadians who did it.”

The Council of Canadians is consulting with the applicants and lawyers as they consider an appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. If these consultations conclude there is a chance the Supreme Court could overturn the Conservative MPs’ narrow victories, the Council would pay the necessary legal fees."

http://canadians.org/media/other/2013/24-May-13.html

Sounds the same to me.

Why give us the Iranian government version of the news, as told by the neo-nazis at eutimes?



Sid

My post stands get over it.

Holocaust denier Gordon Duff last week.
Neo-nazi eutimes this week.

Who can we look forward to next week? David Duke? Stormfront?

Sources matter. When you link to right-wing, or anti-Semitic, or homophobic, or racist sources, I'm gonna call you out on it.

Every. Single. Time.

Sid

Unfortunately, 3 of the jurors are OK with the dumbing down of DU. Ridiculous.

I was just doing a check to see if this story had been posted to DU yet.

So I came across this thread and made a startling discovery.

Truthdig -- which is an online news site I read every week -- yesterday
released the same Canadian election fraud news report.

Using the same source as the O.P. in this thread.

(The Horror)

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/canadian_election_stolen_for_stephen_harper_high_court_finds_20130528/

...I do share your concern for not linking to extremist, delusional or otherwise worse than useless news
sources, and it's definitely a good idea to call attention to questionable articles previously released, but
I'm not at all sure there are any more "pure" or "unfiltered" or "unbiased" news sources.

presstv through eutimes, IMO, isn't a route that any site hoping to be reputable should take.



Sid

The source in the OP does not deserve the traffic. That is especially true because it appears there are several legitimate sources without the neo-nazi baggage.

Cheers!

Pravda.ru?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pravda.ru
"Pravda.ru is a Russian online tabloid not ashamed to feature woo, denialism, and various conspiracy theories. It also covers "normal" news, but often with a heavy Russian nationalist slant. Pravda means "truth" in Russian, something you probably won't get by surfing on it. Pravda.ru is not to be confused with Pravda, the former Soviet Communist newspaper, which is currently a Russian-language newspaper owned by the Communist Party of Russian Federation. The name (and a few former collaborators, apparently) is the sole link with that newspaper.
The site is available in Russian, English, Italian, and Portuguese.
Here are some examples of "news" you could find on this site:
The Moon landings are a hoax.
Global warming is a hoax.
HIV is a hoax.[2]
Evolution is a hoax.[3][4]
Russia created two HIV vaccines in 2004[5], and one more in 2006 from genetically modified tomatoes.[6]
An alien base was filmed on the Moon.[7]
Support for Russian scientists who claim that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is actually a time machine.[8]
That the FBI and CIA are fighting over access to a parallel world which allows time travel and therefore modification of our world.[9]
America is ready to attack Russia."

This was originally about Canadian election fraud. Which appears to have been verified in court.

...I suppose you must be saying something like, because the source cited by both the O.P. and Truthdig is one you find to be completely unpalatable, because it's included material from (sites like?) Pravda.ru, then we can't talk about the election fraud in Canada. Which is an important story that has not been picked up by a whole lot of other news outlets. (At least not by many that I saw yesterday, when I was looking around for other sources, besides the Toronto Globe. Which has limitations and an agenda of its own to preserve -- mainly -- don't rock the boat.)

....I mean, how many times have people here linked to stories from The Onion?

sites. Those sites link to even worse sites. Ones that cater DIRECTLY to RW Americans who love to say Obama is a communist, yada yada yada.

It matters. It brings that shit HERE. This is DU. It is fucking embarrassing. Yesterday he linked to the same site but made the mistake of using an outright CT article so it was locked. Today he used a halfway true story (even though they got it WRONG) so it can't be locked for CT bullshit. And the jury probably thinks the EU Times has something to do with the European Union. Just like some people believe Pravda.ru is the old Pravda when it's just tabloid shit.

Those batshit crazy sites link to each other. Now they're on DU, too. Because once again he chose batshit over reputable.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/05/23/robocalls_widespread_but_thinly_scattered_vote_suppression_didnt_affect_election_judge_rules.html



Robocalls: Widespread but ‘thinly scattered’ vote suppression didn’t affect election, judge rules
There was a widespread but “thinly scattered” voter suppression effort across Canada during the 2011 federal election that ultimately did not affect the outcome nor warrant annulling results, a federal court judge has ruled

Electoral fraud occurred during the last federal election, a federal court judge ruled on Thursday, but there is no proof that it affected the outcomes in six ridings at issue, so the elections will not be overturned. The court challenge was brought by the Council of Canadians, which sought to overturn the election of six Conservative MPs who won close ridings where there was evidence that someone tried to affect the results by calling opposition supporters and telling them their polling stations had moved.


Federal Court Judge Richard Mosley ruled that the calls “struck at the integrity of the electoral process by attempting to dissuade voters from casting ballots for their preferred candidates. This form of ‘voter suppression,’ was, until the 41st General Election, largely unknown in this country.” The evidence points to “a concerted campaign by persons who had access to a database of voter information maintained by a political party,” Mosley writes, but says there was no allegation that any of the candidates in the six ridings were responsible for the campaign.



“I find that electoral fraud occurred during the 41st General Election but I am not satisfied that it has been established that the fraud affected the outcomes in the subject ridings and I decline to exercise my discretion to annul the results in those districts.” The decision fails to give the Council of Canadians the result it sought, but may pose a political problem for the Conservatives, who have steadfastly rejected any suggestion that the party mounted a voter suppression campaign beyond the infamous “Pierre Poutine” robocall in Guelph, Ont., which the party has blamed on rogue elements. Mosley does not conclude that the party was involved, but does say the evidence points to the use of the party’s database. “In reaching this conclusion, I make no finding that the Conservative Party of Canada or any CPC candidates or RMG and RackNine Inc., were directly involved in any campaign to mislead voters,” he ruled.


“I am satisfied, however, that the most likely source of the information used to make the misleading calls was the CIMS database maintained and controlled by the CPC, accessed for that purpose by a person or persons currently unknown to this court.” Maude Barlow, national chair of the Council of Canadians, said the decision “should disturb Canadians a lot.” She said her organization welcomed Mosley’s findings as “a very good decision.” The finding of fraud, she said, is stated “clearly and boldly.” Barlow said while she was disappointed Mosley didn’t overturn the results, the felt the larger finding of fraud was more important than the results in six seats. “We feel this is a very powerful statement and are pleased that the decision has come forward this way,” she said.


cont'




http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/24/electoral-fraud-did-take-place-in-2011-federal-vote-but-it-didnt-affect-outcome-judge-rules/

For the 2015 election, run Liberals in strong liberal ridings and run NDP in strong NDP ridings. That would be the sure fire way to beat the Cons. Each party needs to put aside their petty differences for the good of Canada.

That's how Lester Pearson kept them out of power. He formed a coalition gov't with the NDP.

There are miles of distance between saying that fraud occurred, and "the election was fraudulent", which implies that the outcome was changed.

They are fucking Crazy.

It is embarrassing, IMO.

Hey, if it's gonna stay up let's make SERIOUS fun of the source and where it leads. We're talking old-style Soviet propaganda, complete with telling people we in America are illiterate.

But the kicker is, this is NOT the old Communist Pravda. No! It's a fucking CT woo site, RW and totally nuts. It calls Obama a communist and hails Putin as being for low taxes and freedom! OMG I am dying laughing. But, as propaganda it's not bad. The RWers are eating it UP!

The propaganda is so thick you need a boot scraper. I seriously haven't seen anything this comical since, say 1985 Moscow.

http://www.eutimes.net/2013/05/obamas-herd-control/

Follow the link in the article itself to English Pravda.ru. You'll find this gem.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/

Seriously, it does NOT get any more hilarious than that. It's worth the read just for the laughs. My advice is to skip EU Times and go straight to English Pravda. Note: This is NOT the old Pravda, which was the Communist Party newspaper. This is a tabloid in Russian, English and another language. It's Wooooooo! Total fucking CRAP!

The OP also thought holocaust-denier Gordon Duff was just fine too.

Sid

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022865427

Sid