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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue May 28, 2013, 06:39 AM May 2013

Soybeanland Stands Up to Monsanto

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/soybeanland-stands-monsanto

When President Obama signed a spending bill into law last March, an obscure, anonymously introduced section, the Farmer Assurance Provision, outraged Americans across the political spectrum. Labeled the “Monsanto Protection Act” by critics, the rider strips the Department of Agriculture and federal courts of their powers to stop the planting of genetically modified (GM) crops, even if they are shown to pose health risks. Monsanto’s products are already ubiquitous. The company’s patented GM soybean seeds, Roundup Ready, are grown by 93 percent of U.S. soybean farms, which must also use its accompanying herbicide, Roundup.

Monsanto, the world’s largest seed company, claims it is committed to fighting rural hunger and providing sustainable agriculture for a growing population. Supporters like Forbes Magazine, which labeled Monsanto “Company of the Year” in 2010, claim it “has been working to make humanity better fed.” Even nonprofit organizations like the Center for Science in the Public Interest have praised the benefits of GM crops, although the scientific rigor of prominent nonprofits has been questioned as their links to Monsanto have come into view.

The corporation has deep ties to the U.S. government, and it spends millions of dollars each year lobbying American politicians and advertising to defeat local efforts to label GM ingredients in food products. U.S. diplomats push the use of GM products and have sought penalties for European countries that ban Monsanto products.

In recent years, however, international resistance to Monsanto has grown. Vietnamese activists are aiming to prevent Monsanto's entry into their country, where the company is still notorious for producing Agent Orange, a herbicide that caused severe health problems for more than a million people in the wake of the Vietnam War. In India, environmental activists blame Monsanto for the alarming rise in debt and suicide among farmers. And in Mexico, thousands of peasant farmers are protesting plans to introduce GM corn into the country.
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Soybeanland Stands Up to Monsanto (Original Post) xchrom May 2013 OP
rec handmade34 May 2013 #1
A friend posted a list of Monsanto brands and companies that use GMO's AnnieK401 May 2013 #2
That's an interesting list! djean111 May 2013 #4
Thanks! Do not buy national brands!!! tblue May 2013 #22
The list is pretty inaccurate actually. Duppers May 2013 #24
"which must also use its accompanying herbicide, Roundup" Nope. Buzz Clik May 2013 #3
What farmers want to plant is a different thing altogether from what I want to eat. djean111 May 2013 #5
The argument I cited most certainly is stupid. Buzz Clik May 2013 #6
Then why all the resistance to GMO labeling? djean111 May 2013 #10
That's a totally different argument. I support labeling. Buzz Clik May 2013 #11
I don't think the argument is totally different. And I meant anti-GMO-labeling in general, djean111 May 2013 #15
I understand Monsanto's resistance to labeling. I imagine farmers don't want it either. Buzz Clik May 2013 #18
We shouldn't have to research the food we eat marions ghost May 2013 #14
Yes, all I've got, personally, is "buyer beware". djean111 May 2013 #16
You misunderstand me marions ghost May 2013 #19
I am so sorry! I needed to look at the collapsed thread and follow the lines!. djean111 May 2013 #21
Your dismay is based upon the false assumption that consuming GMOs is harmful. Buzz Clik May 2013 #17
There is evidence that consuming GMOs is harmful marions ghost May 2013 #20
They should at least identify it as a GMO product. Frustratedlady May 2013 #8
k/r marmar May 2013 #7
indeed. nt xchrom May 2013 #9
If only they were generally more accurate and focused on relevant issues. Buzz Clik May 2013 #12
K & R !!! WillyT May 2013 #13
FUCK Monsanto. K&R n/t DeSwiss May 2013 #23
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. That's an interesting list!
Tue May 28, 2013, 08:29 AM
May 2013

Looks intimidating at first - but then, since finances and health concerns have changed my buying and eating habits completely, I avoid processed foods, so not a difficult list at all. Can't avoid everything, but can be more aware.
(No need to say that all foods are processed in some way, that is a disingenuous and meant to misdirect.)

tblue

(16,350 posts)
22. Thanks! Do not buy national brands!!!
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:43 PM
May 2013

This is distressing. Between that and the Kochs, that's 90% of everything.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
24. The list is pretty inaccurate actually.
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:16 AM
May 2013

"Monsanto doesn't own any of those companies at all. This list is a list of companies that have some products which contain some of Monsanto's GMO products.

Also, Kraft/Phillip Morris split a number of years ago.

The list just needs to be more thoroughly fact-checked and re-memed as: List of Companies & Brands Which Contain Monsanto Products."

- my expert researcher & FB friend

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. "which must also use its accompanying herbicide, Roundup" Nope.
Tue May 28, 2013, 08:18 AM
May 2013

Every farmer who makes the economic decision to buy Roundup ready soybeans does so voluntarily and may use any herbicide they choose, or no herbicide at all. It would be ridiculous to not use Roundup, but there is not mandate.

Keep in mind that soybean farmers demanded Roundup ready soybean. Wanted, clamored, and were excited for it. These GMO soybeans constitute 93% of the beans planted because that's what farmers want.

The argument against Monsanto gets dumber every day.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. What farmers want to plant is a different thing altogether from what I want to eat.
Tue May 28, 2013, 08:33 AM
May 2013

The arguments against Monsanto may be futile, because of money, but they are not dumb.
The main argument for Monsanto seems to be that what we eat should be dictated by someone else' bottom line.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
6. The argument I cited most certainly is stupid.
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:19 AM
May 2013

If most farmers are not selling what you want to eat, don't buy their product. Period. Blaming Monsanto for decisions made by farmers is ridiculous.

The main argument for Monsanto seems to be that what we eat should be dictated by someone else' bottom line.


Really? Have we become that helpless that we cannot even make decisions about the food we eat? I have not sunk that low.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. Then why all the resistance to GMO labeling?
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:25 AM
May 2013

That would certainly make it easier to "make decisions about the food we eat".
But labeling foods as GMO is fought bitterly.
Why is that?
It is so people cannot easily make decisions about the food they eat.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
15. I don't think the argument is totally different. And I meant anti-GMO-labeling in general,
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:18 AM
May 2013

not you personally. Millions are being spent against state initiatives regarding GMO labeling.
Monsanto stands to lose if people refuse to buy GMO products.
If people refuse to buy GMO products, farmers will, I assume, stop planting them.
If farmers stop using GMO seeds, then, presumably, Monsanto would lose money or go in a different direction.
If entire countries are banning GMO, then looks like bought-and-paid-for United States might be the last tame and willing bastion.
Are the farmers in countries that ban GMO seeds being suppressed? They really want to go the Monsanto way?
I am curious about that.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
18. I understand Monsanto's resistance to labeling. I imagine farmers don't want it either.
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:29 AM
May 2013

There are so many unjustified fears about GMOs out there that putting a "warning label" that "this food contains GMOs" will only make it worse. And, do you really think that food producers pay any attention to whether or not they are buying GMO corn, soybean, etc? Do operators of grain elevators segregate GMO crops from non GMO crops? I doubt it. Sorting it all out will take a massive overhaul of the entire food system -- for a nonexistent problem.

A lot of cotton is now GMO. Do you want your clothing labeled, too?

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
14. We shouldn't have to research the food we eat
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:36 AM
May 2013

We should have some assurances that our food supply is not full of GMO products. At the very least we need labeling. They are afraid to do this because they have already introduced GMOs into just about every food product in grocery stores. They have made it almost impossible to avoid. So "don't buy their product" is a crass and mean statement, unrealistic for most Americans, especially those who can't afford the high price of Organics.

It's not up to us--not a matter of being helpless. There is no consumer protection, no regulation or government oversight-- in this country now. We should be able to TRUST our food supply. But we can't.

Absolutely we should blame Monsanto. For perpetrating one of the biggest cons on the planet. For jeopardizing the health of millions, ultimately billions.

But all you've got is "buyer beware?" How selfish.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
16. Yes, all I've got, personally, is "buyer beware".
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:22 AM
May 2013

I don't have any of the money or influence it takes to change things at the source.
I am living on SS and supporting two other people. Avoiding GMO stuff is a huge burden for us - I am not being flippant or speaking from a position of having enough money to always buy organic.
What is your solution, since mine is considered crass and mean? It is the only solution I have right now, for myself.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
19. You misunderstand me
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:53 AM
May 2013

--my reply was to Buzz Clik--who is essentially saying "buyer beware." NOT me. Read it again.

I am saying that buyer beware is NOT good enough--we SHOULD have strong consumer protections so that people are not in the situation of being industry guinea pigs because they can't afford "organic." We need labeling at the very least so people can see what they're buying.

I called Buzz Clik's POV "crass and mean"--not people who are forced into buyer beware because there is no one in the power position who is looking out for you / us. I said this is a huge burden on the average consumer.

Read again. I am on your side.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
17. Your dismay is based upon the false assumption that consuming GMOs is harmful.
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:23 AM
May 2013

As it stands, buying organic should keep GMOs away from you.

Hopefully, resistance against labeling will change.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
20. There is evidence that consuming GMOs is harmful
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:57 AM
May 2013

--it is not a "false" assumption. And what Monsanto has done to the growers is criminal.

Read post #16--not everyone can afford to buy organic.

Resistance against labeling will not change with hope alone.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
8. They should at least identify it as a GMO product.
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:22 AM
May 2013

The consumer has the right to know what they are eating, although I suppose that if we truly knew what was in our food, we'd be a lot slimmer.

If I were younger, I'd plant my own garden.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
12. If only they were generally more accurate and focused on relevant issues.
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:30 AM
May 2013

The ignorance in so many of these articles is startling.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
13. K & R !!!
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:35 AM
May 2013
In recent years, however, international resistance to Monsanto has grown. Vietnamese activists are aiming to prevent Monsanto's entry into their country, where the company is still notorious for producing Agent Orange



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