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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 06:20 AM Jun 2013

Why the Right Hates Government

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/why-right-hates-government



One reasonable way of looking at democratic governance is that it carries out the collective will of a society, especially in areas where the private sector can’t do the job or needs regulation to prevent it from doing harm. Of course, there are always many variables and points of disagreement, from the need to protect individual rights to the wisdom of each decision.

But something extreme has surfaced in modern American politics: an ideological hatred of government. From the Tea Party to libertarianism, there is a “principled” rejection – at least rhetorically – of almost everything that government does (outside of national security), and those views are no longer simply fringe. By and large, they have been embraced by the national Republican Party.

There has also been an effort to anchor these angry anti-government positions in the traditions of U.S. history. The Tea Party consciously adopted imagery and symbols from the Revolutionary War era to create an illusion that this contempt of government fits with the First Principles. However, this right-wing revision of U.S. history is wildly askew if not upside-down. The framers of the U.S. Constitution, and even many of their “anti-federalist” critics, were not hostile to an American government. They understood the difference between an English monarchy that denied them representation in Parliament and their own Republic.

Indeed, the key framers – James Madison, George Washington and Alexander Hamilton – might be called pragmatic nationalists, eager to use the new Constitution, which centralized power at the national level, to build the young country and protect its fragile independence. While these framers later split over precise applications of the Constitution – Madison opposed Hamilton’s national bank, for instance – they accepted the need for a strong and effective federal government, unlike the weak, states’ rights-oriented Articles of Confederation.
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Why the Right Hates Government (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2013 OP
they only hate government when it helps WE THE PEOPLE Skittles Jun 2013 #1
Agreed. The right actually loves the government. Laelth Jun 2013 #3
Absolutely right Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #4
It's all about using the government to support the current SYSTEM, NOT....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #20
This. ^^^ CrispyQ Jun 2013 #26
Thank you! CrispyQ Jun 2013 #23
You're welcome Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #25
Agree. And they love government that they can manipulate into channeling tax money to the wealthy. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #22
Obviously some of them certainly do... TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2013 #28
These type of 'people' have been angry since 1861 YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #2
and those "type of people" are easily led or manipulated by the Koch Brothers and .... Botany Jun 2013 #6
Indeed these "type of people" are angry because they think they were "entitled" to owning slaves... hue Jun 2013 #18
We the people, B Calm Jun 2013 #5
Precisely... KansDem Jun 2013 #10
Thank you, xchrom ReRe Jun 2013 #7
BIG Government for them, NO Government for everybody else. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #8
In the last 50 years it has mostly been to protect racists and polluters underpants Jun 2013 #9
If government is used for anything other than protecting the interests of the 1%ers Snake Plissken Jun 2013 #11
The right hates government b/c they want to see certain groups of people they hate suffer even IF stillwaiting Jun 2013 #12
They want to use John2 Jun 2013 #13
Hate government? momsrule Jun 2013 #14
"Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do." -Ari Fleischer, govt spokesman Fumesucker Jun 2013 #15
Myh thought Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #16
Great analysis! Thanks for posting! hue Jun 2013 #17
the bottom line is slavery...so the tea party is enabling a new slavery nashville_brook Jun 2013 #19
As an aside....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #21
Very good article. nt HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #24
You lost them at "reasonable." lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #27

Skittles

(153,192 posts)
1. they only hate government when it helps WE THE PEOPLE
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 06:27 AM
Jun 2013

when they can use government to regulate vaginas or degregulate guns they are A-OK with it

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
3. Agreed. The right actually loves the government.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:13 AM
Jun 2013

They love the subsidies to big oil, big agricultural outfits, military contractors, and road-builders. They love the government policies that subsidize out-sourcing jobs to low-wage nations. They love the government tax policies that shift the cost-burden of sustaining this society onto the poor and the shrinking middle class. They love running us big deficits to fund wars of choice.

No, it's not that the right hates government. They love it. They just don't want to pay for it.

Ronald Reagan famously said that government was not the solution to our problems as a nation. Reagan said government is the problem. Taken literally, that's complete crap, of course, but it was code for "all liberal government initiatives are bad, and they should be destroyed ASAP." Now, some thirty years later, the right continues its work of slowly eroding the progress made during the 20th century to make America richer, more equal, and more just.

-Laelth

Cirque du So-What

(25,972 posts)
4. Absolutely right
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:17 AM
Jun 2013

They're also A-OK with invading nations for oil & empire - as long as a repug is at the helm the executive branch. Same with suspending or diluting basic rights guaranteed in the Constitution ('Patriot' Act).

Here's a handy chart of rebuttals to any given RW argument against 'big gummint':

http://www.governmentisgood.com/feature.php?fid=14

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
20. It's all about using the government to support the current SYSTEM, NOT.......
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:40 AM
Jun 2013

support the people. Even the so called libertarians support this ideology. Late stage capitalism.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
26. This. ^^^
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jun 2013

It will get more & more predatory. Maybe people will wake up before it devours us. Oh, my bad. We're at 400ppm, & the party is still going strong. I wonder if the human collective feels that we're toast & so that's why we're partying like it's 1999? If we survive this century, will humans will look back at this time & wonder what the fuck?

I've almost finished "The Year of the Flood" & in that frame of mind. An excellent book.



CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
23. Thank you!
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jun 2013
Many of the articles on this website take on and refute these misleading stereotypes about government. What follows is a brief guide to the common right-wing criticisms of government and why they are largely off the mark. The left hand column contains the complaint, and the right hand column contains a brief rebuttal and a link to the article that explains more fully why the complaint is flawed. As you make you way through these issues, I think you may find that much of what you think is wrong with government – and what conservatives keep telling you is wrong – is simply mistaken. This is not to say that there is nothing wrong with this government – only that it is not what conservatives say it is. (For a different view of the problems of government, see What is Really Wrong with Government."


A great resource!

Cirque du So-What

(25,972 posts)
25. You're welcome
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

I guess the old adage about a blind squirrel occasionally finding a nut has a bit of truth to it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. Agree. And they love government that they can manipulate into channeling tax money to the wealthy.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:25 AM
Jun 2013

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
28. Obviously some of them certainly do...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jun 2013

But in general I think the disagreement between the parties on the role of government can be boiled down to whats discussed in this video - and that it goes beyond parties and labels like left and right.




I should note, the reference to this fellow Griffin.. I have no idea on where he stands on the topics discussed, only that the overall concepts are indeed the most fundamental.
 

YeahSureRight

(205 posts)
2. These type of 'people' have been angry since 1861
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:13 AM
Jun 2013

Ignorant, Racist, Superstitious, Low Information Voters. Fuck em, one cannot reason with them nor deal with them on any level. Best thing to do is give em the finger and move on.

Botany

(70,578 posts)
6. and those "type of people" are easily led or manipulated by the Koch Brothers and ....
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:24 AM
Jun 2013

... Rush who use their anger at all the outrages they have to suffer to voting time
after time against their own best interests. Add in having a black man as President
and their blood just boils and their brains shut down to the point that they really
think that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton watched the attack on the Americans
in Benghazi on a live video feed and did nothing because they are so evil.

hue

(4,949 posts)
18. Indeed these "type of people" are angry because they think they were "entitled" to owning slaves...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:28 AM
Jun 2013

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
10. Precisely...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:21 AM
Jun 2013

"We the People" means government "of, for, and by" the people.

Libertarians and Teapublicans want government "of, for , and by" the corporation.

They hate "Big Government, but love "Big Corporation."

They are "authoritarians": They love being told what to think, say, and do...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
7. Thank you, xchrom
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:04 AM
Jun 2013
K&R

... for this OP and link to the article. Boy, we've had some very good teaching articles in the last couple weeks. Will's article and now this one from Robert Perry. In case someone is considering not clicking on the link and reading the entire article, please please reconsider. This really is the most succinct & persuasive explanation of why Republicans hate the "gubmint" that I have laid eyes on.

What's really at the bottom of it all? IMHO, hate, revenge, resentment over the racial issue. Since childhood, I have been baffled at the pomposity of one human thinking he/she is somehow better than another individual. I knew it was a lie then and I know it now. There's only one race and that's the human race.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
11. If government is used for anything other than protecting the interests of the 1%ers
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:25 AM
Jun 2013

It will make the Baby Jesus cry.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
12. The right hates government b/c they want to see certain groups of people they hate suffer even IF
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:26 AM
Jun 2013

they themselves/their family/friends end up suffering/having more stress/having less security than would be with a strong social safety net.

They deem groups of people unworthy and they get PISSED when those groups get any services from the government that provide them with some dignity and respect in their lives.

Their hatred allows for the 1% to continue to amass more and more of the nation's wealth and income all so that the unworthy don't get things they don't deserve. They are complete idiots and useful rubes for the plutocrats.

For the life of me I can't understand how so many working-class American conservatives are so willing and/or eager to accept cuts to the social safety net AT THE SAME TIME that conservative politicians want to 1) lower (or even eliminate - i.e., capital gains and estate taxes) tax rates on the wealthy, 2) lower corporate tax rates at a time when corporations are paying such low EFFECTIVE tax rates AND we have a deficit that they supposedly care so very much about, 3) trends in income and wealth inequality over the last four decades already show such high levels of inequality (even more than the first robber baron and gilded age years) and the policies their politicians want to enact will clearly exacerbate those trends much, much more.

The stated economic policies of conservative Republicans will knee-cap the middle class, working class, and poor all to the benefit of the elite. But those damn gays, blacks, Hispanics, women, etc. will be put in their place so it's all good!!

It's hard not to feel complete contempt for many of them on most days.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
13. They want to use
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:36 AM
Jun 2013

the Government to carry out their Wars against everybodyelse. When the Government defends everybody, they object. It is all connected to the Groups on the Right mostly, they are better than everybodyelse. They continue to forget probably the most important part of U.S. History and always reference back to the Revolutionary War against Britain. That part is the Civil War and the amendment of the U.S. Constitution, extending equal rights to more Americans that was excluded in the first Constitution. That War, decided the difference between States' Rights and the Federal Government. What these people want to do is fight that War again. Just think about the lady on the Right claiming the Republican Party should appeal to only white people. That is her America. Does she really think people who don't fit her description of Americans will sit around and allow her to discriminate against them, without another conflict? Just what is the end game for those people who think like this woman?

momsrule

(100 posts)
14. Hate government?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:37 AM
Jun 2013

The NRC loves government when they have control of all branches. Please review the GW Bush administration for government run amock for reckless abandon of larger government, lawlessness and fruitless spending with enormous debt yet to be paid.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. "Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do." -Ari Fleischer, govt spokesman
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:41 AM
Jun 2013

Speaking in regard to a comedian on a show called "Politically Incorrect" who happened to say something not entirely complimentary about some government employees.

Ari was and is a Republican.

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
16. Myh thought
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:02 AM
Jun 2013

I think one reason they hate government is because government has been involved in doing those things that they did not want done..civil rights for blacks, equal treatment for women and restraining the power of big business and capital.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
19. the bottom line is slavery...so the tea party is enabling a new slavery
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jun 2013

for those in the bottom rungs of society. immigrants, young people, and displaced workers.

sure they're doing the bidding of billionaires, but at the end of the day, they're fighting for their right to become slaves.

insane.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
21. As an aside.......
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:58 AM
Jun 2013

I've often thought that the current "anti-government" mind-set was fueled, at least in part, by the youthful baby boomers anti-government stands in the 60s/70s and then Nixon's proving the boomers correct in their accusations. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the current Teabaggers are Boomers. SOME of this generation (I was and am a part of this generation) saw the Vietnam and the draft as a government conspiracy to kill us. Others of this generation thought the anti-war demonstrators were traitors because the government implied that we were. When these believers were betrayed by the very government they supported, it left a deep scar that affects their mindsets to this day.

What they AND even a large proportion of the anti-war group didn't realize was that the government was just a hireling of the system that CONTROLS the government. Of course, that system is capitalism and the wars were being fought to counter the degenerated workers' state of the USSR AND for capitalist expansion. And of course a majority STILL don't get that very fact. They blame the government for the wrongs committed against the people when the true villains were the owners who rule BEHIND the scenes. They blame the puppets while the puppeteers stay hidden. That's why none of the abuses of "government" get corrected. The abuses remain no matter how many actors on the political stage are changed out.

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