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G_j

(40,372 posts)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:13 PM Jun 2013

Highly doubtful reports of agent orange being used on protesters in Turkey

as pointed out below AO is not an effective riot control weapon. It does sound like some sort of unknown chemical/s have been used though.

http://www.examiner.com/article/reports-of-agent-orange-being-used-on-protesters-turkey

Reports of agent orange being used on protesters in Turkey (Photos)

Protests spread across Turkey on Saturday as tens of thousands of demonstrators headed to the streets during the second day of civil unrest in the country. The protests began on what is now being called “Bloody Friday” over plans to destroy Gezi Park, known as the only green space left in central Istanbul. It started as a peaceful protest, with demonstrators setting up tents, singing, and reading books to at the park to keep out bulldozers. Police soon began to fire tear gas grenades, water cannons, and rubber bullets into the crowd or peaceful protesters. Protesters claim the Turkish government is using chemical weapons against them. There have been numerous reports that the Turkish government is using Agent Orange, a chemical banned by the U.N. against the protesters.

View slideshow: Turkey protests Saturday
The peaceful protests have turned into a face-off between police and demonstrators, with clashes throughout the night on Friday, and continuing through all of Saturday and into Sunday. Riot police have been accused of “heavy-handed tactics” as crowds of protesters chanted, "shoulder to shoulder against fascism" and "government resign". Those who would not take to the streets stood in front of their windows banging pots and pans, shouting support.

Others held up cans of beer in defiance of the Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP), which passed a recent law restricting the sale and advertising of alcohol. Protesters claimed that the government in Turkey is increasingly authoritarian and trying to pull the country into the conflict in neighboring Syria.

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http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-980610

Turkish Riot Police Starts Using Agent Orange
By TurkeySpring | Posted June 1, 2013 | Ankara, Turkey


CNN PRODUCER NOTE This iReport claims that police in Istanbul have been using Agent Orange against protestors. CNN reporters there have seen no indication this is the case. Police in Istanbul today have been using a colored substance, according to protestors, which may be the source of the confusion.

For the latest verified CNN reporting on the situation in Istanbul, click here.

- katie, CNN iReport producer
Riot police started using Agent Orange (orange gas in shells) in Turkey protests, a chemical strictly banned by the U.N. resulting in severe health problems, as demonstrations escalated to an immense level in İstanbul's Taksim Square and Ankara. The residence of PM has been barricaded with heavy police force as demonstrators headed that way. Governorship in Ankara has asked the armed forces to take action against protestors.

Plastic bullets were also used and access to social media sites like Facebook and Twitter via wireless connections were shut down for several hours.

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Highly doubtful reports of agent orange being used on protesters in Turkey (Original Post) G_j Jun 2013 OP
Well, given that this is about trees, there's a certain poetic malevolence to that Recursion Jun 2013 #1
I'm sure our Vietnam vets will not agree with you. L0oniX Jun 2013 #3
Like my dad, who was exposed? Recursion Jun 2013 #5
Like the dim mak Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #8
Vietnam vet here, Recursion is correct, premium Jun 2013 #7
This isn't about trees anymore. Now its about Erdogan's increasing installation of Islamist laws riderinthestorm Jun 2013 #9
It's about a lot of things to a lot of people Recursion Jun 2013 #10
I've been reassured that this will not blow up to a full scale revolution by... L0oniX Jun 2013 #2
Erdogan's got roughly half the country behind him Recursion Jun 2013 #6
Agent Orange is only toxic in the long term KamaAina Jun 2013 #4
Pepper spray is orange and can be fired from a granade launcher Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #11
Agent orange is white Recursion Jun 2013 #12
Milky white or clear, it's an herbicide that is sprayed, not shot from weapons Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #15
I've already seen photos of "Made in USA" tear gas or pepper gas canisters used there. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #17
My bet is that this is some sort of capsaicin based product backscatter712 Jun 2013 #14
Agent Orange is a defoliant. Somebody here has their wires crossed. n/t cigsandcoffee Jun 2013 #13
It's not agent orange, no. They're using all kinds of noxious stuff, PDJane Jun 2013 #16

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. Well, given that this is about trees, there's a certain poetic malevolence to that
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jun 2013

But, no. There are much better defoliants now, and it doesn't do anything to the people it lands on for decades.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Like my dad, who was exposed?
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jun 2013

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know about LNX. It increases cancer and birth defect rates. It's also not a very good defoliant compared to what they have now, it hasn't been manufactured in years, and it's not what's being shot at my friends who are in Taksim right now.

Something that makes you sick months or years later is a horrible crowd suppression tool.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
7. Vietnam vet here, Recursion is correct,
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jun 2013

Agent Orange is long term, not immediate or short term.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
9. This isn't about trees anymore. Now its about Erdogan's increasing installation of Islamist laws
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jun 2013

on a secular society.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. It's about a lot of things to a lot of people
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jun 2013

I have enough friends there to be skeptical of simplistic explanations of what's going on (hell, I was there the day before this started, and I saw the original protest and the Islamist protest in Sultanahmet that was going on too).

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. Erdogan's got roughly half the country behind him
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jun 2013

The big question is whether the people to his right in AJP will bail on him for this -- the conservative Islamists don't trust this economic-development-above-everything-else stuff.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
4. Agent Orange is only toxic in the long term
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jun 2013

not something pigs would use on a crowd of protesters.

Brother Buzz

(36,469 posts)
15. Milky white or clear, it's an herbicide that is sprayed, not shot from weapons
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jun 2013

Dimes to donuts, when the smoke clears, we will discover pepper spray was used. Even money says the pepper spray was manufactured in the USA, too.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
16. It's not agent orange, no. They're using all kinds of noxious stuff,
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:13 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Including enough tear gas that the police were looking for unused cannisters among the litter, pepper spray, water cannons, rubber bullets and live ammo. The police were shooting at faces, and it's been brutal.

The chemical being used was something called 'orange smoke', and if you'd like to see the cannister, along with other stuff, go here:

http://www.rightnow.io/timeline_4.html

Scroll down the page, you'll see a pic of the canister itself, along with the evidence that they were using live bullets.

Warning: Some of these pictures are brutal, there's at least one 'see, the police are nice people' propaganda pic, and they're a compilation from everywhere. You are warned!

There's a youTube video of the stuff being played with at

. These things are burning, please note. The smoke is very thick, and I imagine that the stuff is noxious; it burns very hot.
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