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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:27 PM Jun 2013

Frum dims his lights & admits GOP must come to their senses

All Good Things...
by David Frum Jun 3, 2013 11:05 AM EDT

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Conservative reformers are understandably allergic to arguments about income inequality…one of the lessons I think conservatives should take from the 2012 Romney defeat is that the increasing concentration of wealth in America has dangerous political and intellectual consequences. [...]

Conservative reformers must not absent themselves from the environmental debate. Humanity’s impact on the climate — and how to address that impact — is our world’s largest long-term challenge. If conservatives refuse to acknowledge that challenge, they only guarantee that the challenge will be addressed in ways that ignore conservative insights and values.

Conservative reformers should make their peace with universal health coverage. It’s the law, and it won’t be repealed. Other countries have managed to control costs while covering everyone, and the US can too. A message of “protect Medicare, scrap Obamacare” reinforces the image of conservatism as nothing more than the class interest of the elderly.

I appreciate that conservative reformers must pay lip-service to shibboleths about Barack Obama being the worst president of all time, who won’t rest until he has snuffed out the remains of constitutional liberty, etc. etc. Dissent too much from party orthodoxy, and you find yourself outside the party altogether. Still … conservative reformers should admit, if only to themselves, the harm that has been done by the politics of total war over the past five years. Now Republicans are working themselves into a frenzy that will paralyze Congress for the next 18 months at least, and could well lead to an impeachment crisis. As it becomes clear that the IRS story is an agency scandal, not a White House scandal, conservative reformers need to be ready to do their part to apply the brakes and turn the steering wheel.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/03/all-good-things.html

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Frum dims his lights & admits GOP must come to their senses (Original Post) kpete Jun 2013 OP
I cannot improve on this article.......all I can do is K&R. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #1
recommended libodem Jun 2013 #2
David is so cute. Right wing extremists are now conservative reformers. Tea baggers are not Monk06 Jun 2013 #3
Yep. Dave seems to have forgotten that conservatives needed to lean heavily on... JHB Jun 2013 #7
They're wrong zipplewrath Jun 2013 #12
i have come to the conclusion that conservatives are stupid, cowardly, selfish samsingh Jun 2013 #19
To be generous zipplewrath Jun 2013 #21
K&R nt riderinthestorm Jun 2013 #4
This man is upset at what? Iliyah Jun 2013 #5
this is the monster HE created. pansypoo53219 Jun 2013 #6
Was very anti-Palin in 08 and very anti-teabagger emulatorloo Jun 2013 #13
Sorry... ReRe Jun 2013 #8
Bless his little heart. Demoiselle Jun 2013 #9
I say- ruffburr Jun 2013 #10
With any luck, their period of reflection will last past cut-off for real entry to 2016. nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #11
Dave will have to do a lot more than this navarth Jun 2013 #14
Ok, Dave, I'll bite. What "conservative insights" would address climate change? SunSeeker Jun 2013 #15
Am I the only person who noticed Lordquinton Jun 2013 #16
No matter what you think about Frum it is prudent to read what he has to say. 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #17
frum needs to understand that he must have the integrity to leave today's conservative parties samsingh Jun 2013 #18
the teabaggers in congress warrior1 Jun 2013 #20
Man, they wait till it's gone so far that Alex Jones is being taken as a serious source SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #22
HA HA ! Good luck with THAT ! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #23

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
3. David is so cute. Right wing extremists are now conservative reformers. Tea baggers are not
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jun 2013

conservatives they are destroyers of democracy.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
7. Yep. Dave seems to have forgotten that conservatives needed to lean heavily on...
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jun 2013

...racism, bible-thumping, and hippie-hating to gain their majorities and base of power. The Bill Buckley Fan Club just wasn't big enough to pull it off all by itself, nor were the Initiates of St. Ron.

Now, after working their entire careers to bring about the current state of affairs, they are shocked to find themselves infested with teas.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
12. They're wrong
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jun 2013

The real problem with the modern American Conservative movement is that it is flat out wrong. I can't think of a single "conservative" issue on which they can claim any evidence of the strength of their position. They've never balanced a budget using "conservative principals". They've never produced long term economic growth using them. They've never conducted a foreign policy that anyone would want to emulate.

Conservatives would have avoided both WWI and II. They hated Nixon going to China. Then they turned around and wanted a stronger policy in Vietnam. They hated detente.

They oppose abortion, they advocate celibacy, they try to legislate morality all the while complaining about the "nanny state".

They want to cut taxes, increase spending, undermine the middle class, and off shore production. NONE of that has "grown the economy" at all and in fact has been shown to weaken us in both a military as well as economic sense. Even their most recent attempt at an "austerity" movement has been shown to be based upon flawed data and to be exactly the opposite of what they propose.

They can't point to a single long term success of anything they espouse, and that includes their attitudes towards environmental "conservation".

They've failed, repeatedly.

And contrast and compare that with liberals. Liberals can claim huge long term successes, everything from Social Security to the union movement. They were right about civil rights, and continue to be right as we move forward with LGBT rights. They're right about the environment. They've managed to balance budgets, and reduce deficits. They've won wars. And the democrats anyway have always been larger than the republicans, and in fact ran congress for 40 straight years, something the GOP has NEVER done.

samsingh

(17,601 posts)
19. i have come to the conclusion that conservatives are stupid, cowardly, selfish
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jun 2013

people who do the wrong thing for society. you are right - they never balance the budget, add to the debt and take away from all but the top 10% of the 1%.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
21. To be generous
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jun 2013

In their mind they actually think they're right. Well, alot of them anyways that I know. But there is no small portion of "magical thinking". There is also a healthy dose of "faith based" reasoning as well to much of conservatisim. It's the "it should work this way so it does work this way" kind of reasoning. It's not that liberals can't be guilty of this kind of reasoning (all it takes is education....). However, over the long run, liberals are susceptible to being proven wrong by history. The conservatives consistently and repeatedly will hold to a position, DECADES after they have been proven wrong. Which is why you still get the wackos talking about how the voting rights act was wrong, or Brown vs The Board of Education or something. It's Buchannan saying that we backed the wrong side in WWII. It's Coulter saying that McCarthy was right. Their solution to being proven wrong is to blame the facts.

30 years of creeping conservatism has caused a huge collapse in the middle class, the loss of middle class tax revenues, which has led to the unanticipated reductions in FICA income. But you wont' even find them defending these outcomes, much less explaining them. They'll merely deny them, along with climate science and evolution theory.

emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
13. Was very anti-Palin in 08 and very anti-teabagger
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jun 2013

Just setting the facts straight. Was pretty much "ex-communicated" for his stance on Palin extremism.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
8. Sorry...
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jun 2013

Can't stand the guy. Will never trust a word that comes out of his mouth. We all know that wingers are not going to turn their ship around. But still, thanks kpete for keeping us up on what they're saying..

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
9. Bless his little heart.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jun 2013

I've thought for years that he looks very nervous when he opines on television. I think somewhere deep down he may know better...but he also knows where his bread is buttered. Or something.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
14. Dave will have to do a lot more than this
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jun 2013

before I ever forgive him for his part in the Bu$h years.

Hey, Dave....take 'Axis of Evil' and stick it.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
15. Ok, Dave, I'll bite. What "conservative insights" would address climate change?
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

A good guy with a gun?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. Am I the only person who noticed
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:27 PM
Jun 2013

"been done by the politics of total war"

Indirect Goebbels reference?

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
17. No matter what you think about Frum it is prudent to read what he has to say.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jun 2013

The man is not stupid and he is often quite candid about the failings of his own Party - sometimes ours too.

samsingh

(17,601 posts)
18. frum needs to understand that he must have the integrity to leave today's conservative parties
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jun 2013

he can't continue to vote for them and then complain they're not changing.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
20. the teabaggers in congress
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

will never let this happen. They are tasting the blood of the "moderate" republicans. McCain, et al., can not get them to get in line. I'm not sad.

This will be the end of the republican party as we know it.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
22. Man, they wait till it's gone so far that Alex Jones is being taken as a serious source
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

and then start to whine because they look like loonies and fools.

Congratulations Frum, you are one of them. You let this happen, you enjoyed it for awhile, now you can live with it.

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