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All Good Things...
by David Frum Jun 3, 2013 11:05 AM EDT
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Conservative reformers are understandably allergic to arguments about income inequality
one of the lessons I think conservatives should take from the 2012 Romney defeat is that the increasing concentration of wealth in America has dangerous political and intellectual consequences. [...]
Conservative reformers must not absent themselves from the environmental debate. Humanitys impact on the climate and how to address that impact is our worlds largest long-term challenge. If conservatives refuse to acknowledge that challenge, they only guarantee that the challenge will be addressed in ways that ignore conservative insights and values.
Conservative reformers should make their peace with universal health coverage. Its the law, and it wont be repealed. Other countries have managed to control costs while covering everyone, and the US can too. A message of protect Medicare, scrap Obamacare reinforces the image of conservatism as nothing more than the class interest of the elderly.
I appreciate that conservative reformers must pay lip-service to shibboleths about Barack Obama being the worst president of all time, who wont rest until he has snuffed out the remains of constitutional liberty, etc. etc. Dissent too much from party orthodoxy, and you find yourself outside the party altogether. Still
conservative reformers should admit, if only to themselves, the harm that has been done by the politics of total war over the past five years. Now Republicans are working themselves into a frenzy that will paralyze Congress for the next 18 months at least, and could well lead to an impeachment crisis. As it becomes clear that the IRS story is an agency scandal, not a White House scandal, conservative reformers need to be ready to do their part to apply the brakes and turn the steering wheel.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/03/all-good-things.html
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,719 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Monk06
(7,675 posts)conservatives they are destroyers of democracy.
JHB
(37,162 posts)...racism, bible-thumping, and hippie-hating to gain their majorities and base of power. The Bill Buckley Fan Club just wasn't big enough to pull it off all by itself, nor were the Initiates of St. Ron.
Now, after working their entire careers to bring about the current state of affairs, they are shocked to find themselves infested with teas.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)The real problem with the modern American Conservative movement is that it is flat out wrong. I can't think of a single "conservative" issue on which they can claim any evidence of the strength of their position. They've never balanced a budget using "conservative principals". They've never produced long term economic growth using them. They've never conducted a foreign policy that anyone would want to emulate.
Conservatives would have avoided both WWI and II. They hated Nixon going to China. Then they turned around and wanted a stronger policy in Vietnam. They hated detente.
They oppose abortion, they advocate celibacy, they try to legislate morality all the while complaining about the "nanny state".
They want to cut taxes, increase spending, undermine the middle class, and off shore production. NONE of that has "grown the economy" at all and in fact has been shown to weaken us in both a military as well as economic sense. Even their most recent attempt at an "austerity" movement has been shown to be based upon flawed data and to be exactly the opposite of what they propose.
They can't point to a single long term success of anything they espouse, and that includes their attitudes towards environmental "conservation".
They've failed, repeatedly.
And contrast and compare that with liberals. Liberals can claim huge long term successes, everything from Social Security to the union movement. They were right about civil rights, and continue to be right as we move forward with LGBT rights. They're right about the environment. They've managed to balance budgets, and reduce deficits. They've won wars. And the democrats anyway have always been larger than the republicans, and in fact ran congress for 40 straight years, something the GOP has NEVER done.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)people who do the wrong thing for society. you are right - they never balance the budget, add to the debt and take away from all but the top 10% of the 1%.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)In their mind they actually think they're right. Well, alot of them anyways that I know. But there is no small portion of "magical thinking". There is also a healthy dose of "faith based" reasoning as well to much of conservatisim. It's the "it should work this way so it does work this way" kind of reasoning. It's not that liberals can't be guilty of this kind of reasoning (all it takes is education....). However, over the long run, liberals are susceptible to being proven wrong by history. The conservatives consistently and repeatedly will hold to a position, DECADES after they have been proven wrong. Which is why you still get the wackos talking about how the voting rights act was wrong, or Brown vs The Board of Education or something. It's Buchannan saying that we backed the wrong side in WWII. It's Coulter saying that McCarthy was right. Their solution to being proven wrong is to blame the facts.
30 years of creeping conservatism has caused a huge collapse in the middle class, the loss of middle class tax revenues, which has led to the unanticipated reductions in FICA income. But you wont' even find them defending these outcomes, much less explaining them. They'll merely deny them, along with climate science and evolution theory.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)GOPers created the monster either slay it or embrace.
pansypoo53219
(20,997 posts)unintended consequences for semantics boy.
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)Just setting the facts straight. Was pretty much "ex-communicated" for his stance on Palin extremism.
Can't stand the guy. Will never trust a word that comes out of his mouth. We all know that wingers are not going to turn their ship around. But still, thanks kpete for keeping us up on what they're saying..
Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)I've thought for years that he looks very nervous when he opines on television. I think somewhere deep down he may know better...but he also knows where his bread is buttered. Or something.
Don't change a thing right wingers, Keep showing your ASS!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)before I ever forgive him for his part in the Bu$h years.
Hey, Dave....take 'Axis of Evil' and stick it.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)A good guy with a gun?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)"been done by the politics of total war"
Indirect Goebbels reference?
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)The man is not stupid and he is often quite candid about the failings of his own Party - sometimes ours too.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)he can't continue to vote for them and then complain they're not changing.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)will never let this happen. They are tasting the blood of the "moderate" republicans. McCain, et al., can not get them to get in line. I'm not sad.
This will be the end of the republican party as we know it.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)and then start to whine because they look like loonies and fools.
Congratulations Frum, you are one of them. You let this happen, you enjoyed it for awhile, now you can live with it.