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Beaverhausen

(24,472 posts)
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:56 PM Jun 2013

20-Week Abortion Bill Advanced By All-Male Congressional Panel

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/20-week-abortion-bill_n_3385122.html

Republicans in the House Judiciary subcommittee voted on Tuesday to expand Rep. Trent Franks' (R-Ariz.) proposed D.C. abortion bill to apply to the whole country and advanced the bill favorably to the full committee. The bill would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy in the United States in all cases except those in which the mother's life is in danger.

All four Democrats on the panel voted against advancing the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, arguing that it is unconstitutional and allows no exceptions for rape victims, incest victims, women whose health is endangered by a pregnancy, and cases of severe fetal anomalies. The 1973 Supreme Court decision in Roe vs. Wade protects women's ability to have an abortion up until the fetus is viable outside the womb, which is usually believed to occur around the 24th week of pregnancy.

Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Ted Deutch (D-Fla.) said they objected to the fact that all of the lawmakers debating the abortion bill are men and that none are doctors. "It is totally out of order for us to determine a medical question like this under the guise of acting as members of the very vital House Judiciary Committee," Conyers said. "No good has ever come from an all-male committee deciding the law about a woman's body. This is not appropriate."

Deutch said that watching "a group of men" make medical decisions on behalf of women is "hard for people to take."
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20-Week Abortion Bill Advanced By All-Male Congressional Panel (Original Post) Beaverhausen Jun 2013 OP
Another case of the GOP House wasting more time & money on a bill that will die in the Senate. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #1
Exactly. HappyMe Jun 2013 #3
Yes. All they really care about is scoring points with their base. Arkansas Granny Jun 2013 #7
Guess I'm rad then, because I truly hate all those asshole men Whisp Jun 2013 #2
Hey me too!! Initech Jun 2013 #5
We have to turn these jerks out of office. gademocrat7 Jun 2013 #4
How? atreides1 Jun 2013 #6
Oh for Gods sake ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #8
The American Taliban strikes again. Triana Jun 2013 #9
It went to shit years ago. It's really starting to smell bad now, though. AAO Jun 2013 #10
The bill is less than 20 weeks along LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #11
They need a viewing of "After Tiller". Too many are confused as to what later term abortions are abo uppityperson Jun 2013 #12
Video of the GOP members of the House Judiciary subcommittee in action: ehrnst Jun 2013 #13
Here's what happened next, though: freshwest Jun 2013 #22
Pah! Should be ALL FEMALE. sibelian Jun 2013 #14
It should have a clause that (1) the father must be identified by DNA and (2) the child must be valerief Jun 2013 #15
Repug war against women continues unabated. lark Jun 2013 #16
Let me start off saying I'm a very staunch supporter of the right to choose ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #17
You are definitely missing something mostlyalurker Jun 2013 #18
Found some stats Mrs. Ted Nancy Jun 2013 #21
The Rape and Incest Exceptions are slut shaming. pitbullgirl1965 Jun 2013 #19
Any attempt at this kind of legislation is about the right to cooerce... love_katz Jun 2013 #20
+1 freshwest Jun 2013 #24
Nobody showed up to heckle them? freshwest Jun 2013 #23

Arkansas Granny

(31,534 posts)
7. Yes. All they really care about is scoring points with their base.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jun 2013

They know it won't go anywhere and they don't care about the waste of time and money.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
2. Guess I'm rad then, because I truly hate all those asshole men
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jun 2013

that think They are the deciders for women.

atreides1

(16,094 posts)
6. How?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jun 2013

Because you have to realize that women in their districts vote for them also, not just men! And due to gerrymandering, most if not all are in safe districts where a challenger, especially a Democrat wouldn't have a chance!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. Here's what happened next, though:
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:41 AM
Jun 2013


Intro to 'Tough Guys' by REO Speedwagon

"Alfalfa, will you swing me before we have lunch?"

"Sure Darla."

"Say, Romeo. What about your promise to the He-Man-Woman-Haters Club?"

"I'm sorry, Spanky. I've got to live my own life."

She doesn't like the tough guys
They think that they can do anything they please
But they're gonna get a surprise
When she brings them to their knees

'Cause she doesn't like the rough guys
They think that they can have any girl they choose
They've got tricks, but my baby's got wise
So in case you haven't heard the news

She doesn't like the tough guys
She doesn't like the rough guys
So find someone your own size
'Cause she's not afraid of you

She doesn't like the tough guys
She says that they've got brains all where they sit
They think they're full of fire
She thinks they're full of shit

'Cause she doesn't like the tough guys
She doesn't like the rough guys
She's gonna call your bluff, guys
And you better believe it's true
She don't like you, no

Ooh, she doesn't like the tough guys
They think that they can do anything they please
But they're gonna get a surprise
When she brings them to their knees

'Cause she doesn't like the rough guys
They act like they can have any girl they choose
They've got tricks, but my baby's got wise
So in case you haven't heard the news

She doesn't like the tough guys
She doesn't like the rough guys
So find someone you own size
'Cause she's not afraid of you

She doesn't like the rough guys
She says she's heard enough lies
She's gonna call your bluff, guys
And you better believe it's true

Tough guys
Tough guys
Ooh, tough guys (you might as well forget her)
Tough guys (ooh, you know, you know she loves me better)
Tough guys
Tough guys


valerief

(53,235 posts)
15. It should have a clause that (1) the father must be identified by DNA and (2) the child must be
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jun 2013

raised--full custody--and 100% supported by the father.

Oh, I'm a dreamer, aren't I?

lark

(23,159 posts)
16. Repug war against women continues unabated.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

Are they totally incapable of learning? Why yes, it does appear that way. I really hate those a*holes.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
17. Let me start off saying I'm a very staunch supporter of the right to choose ...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jun 2013

But I'm actually not terribly against the idea of abortions being illegal after 20 weeks except in the case of a danger to the life of the mother. 20 weeks is, what ... around 5 months? Isn't that plenty enough time to 'choose'? Haven't their been cases of babies being born alive after around 5 months?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm not quite sure I 'get' what the outrage is about here? SOME kind of cut-off point seems fairly reasonable to me, and I can't personally 'morally' say that I think abortion is fine if there's any reasonable chance that the fetus is viable unless there's extenuating circumstances like danger to the life of the mother. And 5 months seems like a 'fair' cut-off point in light of that.

I mean, I don't 'like' that it's 20 Pub's making the decision, but the decision doesn't seem 'that bad' to me ... unless I'm missing something here?

mostlyalurker

(37 posts)
18. You are definitely missing something
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jun 2013

1. It is not uncommon for a woman to not know she is pregnant until after 3 or 4 missed periods which puts you at 12-16 weeks. If you live in a area with no provider and have to scrape up money, time off and child care you are now getting awfully close to the 20 week cut off. Which is the whole point. If they can make this rule and then enact all the other delaying tactics....waiting periods, extra ultrasounds (which cost money) making sure there re no clinics for hundreds of miles....then women will get to 20 weeks and be stuck.

2. Who gets to decide what is "enough" risk to the life of the mother. In Ireland, the risk wasn't enough until the mother was beyond saving. In El Salvador, the risk wasn't enough until they could pretend a baby with no brain development was "viable". Maybe a woman won't die from the pregnancy, maybe she'll only go into kidney failure and have to be on dialysis for the remainder of her life. I don't know about you but I think the person facing that should make the decision with her medical providers.

3. Viable is different for every pregnancy. Check out the actual statistics on survival rates per gestational age and then look at the morbidity of these extremely premature infants. It's not a pretty picture. There are conditions that can't be diagnosed before 20 weeks that are incompatible with life but don't pose a risk to the physical health of the mother. Who are you or anyone else to tell a woman she has to continue a doomed pregnancy. Or tell a family they have to birth and raise a severely disabled child when they know they haven't got the ability to do so. Those kids don't fare well in the foster care system at all.

Mrs. Ted Nancy

(462 posts)
21. Found some stats
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jun 2013

Pregnancy Related Deaths


In the United States—

Of the 5,001 deaths within a year of pregnancy termination that occurred between 2006 and 2008 and were reported to CDC, 1,953 were found to be pregnancy-related.

The pregnancy-related mortality ratio was 15.2 deaths per 100,000 live births for the period 2006–2008.

Considerable racial disparities in pregnancy-related mortality exist. During the 2006–2008 period, the pregnancy-related mortality ratios were—

11.3 deaths per 100,000 live births for white women.
34.8 deaths per 100,000 live births for black women.
14.5 deaths per 100,000 live births for women of other races.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/MaternalInfantHealth/PMSS.html

Fetal Mortality and Infant Mortality Rates


In 2005, a total of 25,894 fetal deaths of 20 weeks of gestation or more were reported in the United States, nearly as many as infant deaths (28,384).

Fetal deaths were nearly evenly divided into those at 20–27 weeks of gestation and those at 28 weeks of gestation or more.

In 2005, the U.S. fetal mortality rate was 6.22 fetal deaths of 20 weeks of gestation or more per 1,000 live births and fetal deaths.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db16.htm

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
19. The Rape and Incest Exceptions are slut shaming.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jun 2013

It's saying if you willingly had sex, you should be forced to give birth.

love_katz

(2,584 posts)
20. Any attempt at this kind of legislation is about the right to cooerce...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:43 PM
Jun 2013

not the misnamed 'right to life'.

It is painfully obvious that they care NOTHING for the woman's right to life, nor quality of either her life or of the children they would love to force us to bear.

What is really the issue is their desire to have complete power over all women, force us to submit to their (sadistic) religions, and make us passive producers of more cannon fodder for their wars, and more slave labor for the ultra rich.

WOMEN...WAKE UP! Please do NOT vote for these monsters, EVER.


I really, really, really HATE these lousy rotten fundy fanatics.

May they and their causes taste nothing but the ashes of defeat!

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