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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/woman-run-over-after-calling-police-on-couple-having-car-sex/A woman in Indiana is being treated for minor injuries after she was run over by a couple who she tried to prevent from leaving a motel parking lot because they had been having sex in their car.
An Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department report obtained by the Indy Star said that the woman decided to take matters into her own hands after noticing a man and woman having sex in a 2000 GMC sports-utility vehicle at a Super 8 early Tuesday morning.
According to the report, the woman called police but before officers could arrive, the couple finished up and decided to leave.
The victim stepped in front of the vehicle and advised the female driver that she was not allowed to leave until the police arrived, the report said. The vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)when didn't really hurt anyone and it's over.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That "woman" was the manager of the motel. Is the parking lot not her business? Because it seems that someone else was making her parking lot their business.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Who then observed and also nearly got run over while waiting for the cops.
Try slowing down and reading once or twice before you jump all over a thread with inaccurate information. Thanks.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Do you work at a Super 8?
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I had a power outage yesterday and was just packing up to move the office to a hotel room when it came back on.
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On the Road
(20,783 posts)but the woman in the article may have had some "Super-8-ing" wounds after being hit.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)The only one who appears to have been trying to kill her was HER.
Technically, by attempting to stop someone from leaving, she could be up on some kind of charges herself.
Easiest solution would have been to just get the license plate, and stay out of the road.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Are you secretly a Fox News anchor or something?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Violence was initiated by the driver.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)In fact, the text says nothing of the kind:
"suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the drivers side"
In other words, driving PAST the "victim" to get by her. It is crystal clear from the text of the article that the driver was attempting to leave. That's not attempted murder. That's attempted leaving which is what the stupid woman wanted in the first place but then purposefully thwarted, presumably so she could have a sweet moment of personal drama.
But I suppose that doesn't provide you with any kind of McGuffin to emote over, does it?
Do you like the idea of people being prison?
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... should be fair game.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I know in Saudi Arabia the couple probably would have been put to death, but this is America.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Who was injured in this story?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)this woman, who must have taken some time to figure out that this is what the couple were doing, called the police to try to stop them. As for YOUR question, had she minded her own business, not jumped in front of a moving car which was trying to avoid, no doubt thinking she was some lunatic, no one would have been hit at all. SHE is the reason she was hit and yes, there is something wrong with jumping in front of a moving a car.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I can recall when I was caught in a parking lot late at night, the police asked my date separately from me whether she was there of her own volition.
There is nothing wrong with sex. There is something wrong with rape, prostitution, and other things that might have been going on in that car.
There is also a general problem with some things that go on in the parking lots of cheap motels which attract violent crime.
We don't know what the story was with those people in the car.
It is, however, possible for more than one person in a story to do something wrong.
The only person in this story who engaged in violent behavior was the driver of the car.
But I'll keep it in mind the next time someone decides that they want to drive over a protestor blocking their vehicle.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Seems they were trying to avoid what looked like a raving lunatic jumping in front of their car.
There are several things that might be going on when you see a strange, angry female jumping in front of your car.
1) It could be an armed robber.
2) It could be someone so drunk they don't know what they are doing.
3) It could be a person trying to use your car to commit suicide.
4) It could be someone on drugs who is dangerous.
Just sticking with what is presented in the story, the woman is responsible for the accident. They tried to avoid her. But seeing a couple having sex appears to have caused her to lose all sense of reason, according to the story as of now. I am going to speculate about things that are not part of the report.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)or she would not have been so much in a hurry to leave.
I would certainly not have tried to stand in the path of a car - and I would not have called the police on the couple. However, when you are operating a car, you can not risk hitting someone - even if they are blocking your egress. The woman was not physically threatening her.
Nothing says that she jumped into the path of a moving car.
The woman, who got hit, was incredibly stupid -- but, so was the woman driving the car. In a way, the woman she hit accomplished what she wanted - I assume that the entire town is likely to learn that the couple had sex in the car. The down side is that many may (and should) think her actions were strange.
randome
(34,845 posts)So most likely she was hit by the side view mirror by deliberately getting too close to a moving vehicle.
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)car gesticulating and yelling at them. If that happened to me I would definitely try to get out of there as fast as possible. And if the strange person then jumped in front of the car as it was moving, I would think I was being assaulted by a deranged, possibly armed individual, a drug addict or drunk, but definitely dangerous.
I don't think I would care much about the sex part since I view sex to be quite normal, even in cars. So it wouldn't occur to me to run out of SHAME. I would definitely flee a strange, seemingly deranged, screaming, gesticulating individual jumping in front of my car though.
randome
(34,845 posts)Who would have thought we would be in agreement on something?
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)However, there is something wrong with trying to keep good people confined to parking lot. That is fucking creepy behavior.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)I hope the couple are not charged for her stupidity.
What a busybody. She wanted to stop them from having sex. They stopped and tried to leave. She should have been satisfied, but no, maybe she wanted a pat on the back from the police as they hauled away the couple?
Maybe she wanted obedience to her will from them?
Who knows, whatever it was but the continued stepping in front of a car trying to avoid running over her was crazy.
Such foolishness should never be rewarded. I hope the couple didn't get in trouble over the busybody not minding her own business.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)that brings in all other kinds of quality-of-life issues.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)eg, but we are not supposed to be spying on people 'just in case, maybe, they are engaging in prostitution'. At least I hope not. All we know from the story is that a couple was having sex in a car, something that has been going on since cars were invented, and for the most part, it isn't generally prostitution.
And I am of the opinion that prostitution should be legal anyhow. I prefer that the police not waste their time harassing people making love, even if it is a car.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Assuming you have a driveway, or other kind of private property, of course.
Point being, nobody has the right to trespass on other's private property.
I don't think the issue of the merits of legalizing prostitution is in play here; rather, it is, in fact, illegal to engage in prostitution in the state of Indiana.
Further, even if it wasn't prostitution, performing sex acts in view of anyone and everyone in a parking lot where you may have a room is behavior which will get you booted pronto. I hardly think the Four Seasons is going to be okay with it even if you are a guest of the hotel.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)TrogL
(32,822 posts)Granted it was late at night, but it's not something I'd want children exposed to.
There's a reason for the cliche "get a room".
I live in a rough part of town and I've had to chase people out of my driveway, but that's usually prostitution related.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)story.
But in this case, the parking lot was a motel parking lot, not a private home. And there is no indication that there was prostitution involved. People will make love in cars, they always have. Personally I have never witnessed people making love in a car, other than, well, US lol, which doesn't mean I didn't pass by someone's car where they were engaged in sex, I just don't look into other people's windows or cars unless something draws my attention. And people kissing or fondling in a car in a public parking lot, a mall, a motel etc wouldn't be of much interest to me unless it looked like someone was in trouble.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Much as if someone were defecating in that same motel parking lot. As it too certainly wouldn't hurt anyone, we should simply simply shrug it off and, as you so eloquently stated "myob"
And of course, only the prudish nanny-staters would ever conceive of such an impracticable concept such as "a right place and a right time..."
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Merely feeding the local wildlife with a nutritious, homemade loaf produced in nature's own artisan bakery.
While squatting, the rodent-cake maker perhaps contemplates what events in life might lead one to equate the act of making love to making a doody-bomb.
Pelican
(1,156 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)I hate to say she deserved it, but were they really hurting anything? If they were in a SUV I'm sure she probably couldn't see much anyways, and most likely it would be over in 2 minutes. Geez, really people need to just mind their own business.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"nearly striking the manager"
The "woman" was apparently the manager of the hotel, and there may have been more to it than just this couple having sex in the car.
Why does a couple have sex in a car in a motel parking lot? A couple of things come to mind.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The rest is in the details.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Around here, if the police find that sort of thing going on in motel parking lots, they fine the motels.
You want to side with an attempted murderer in a story where the facts are muddled, go right ahead.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Whatever.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)randome
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Kurovski
(34,655 posts)and could make only the weakest effort at homicide. I'm sure they were hoping to destroy the one witness to their filthy behavior.
Ironically, their vigorous open-air sha-banging is the only thing that saved the woman's life.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)too hard here. Miss Busypants tried to effect a morality arrest and fell down after repeatedly stepping in front of a car that was trying to drive around her idiotic ass.
Perhaps a little sense was knocked into her, eh?
thucythucy
(8,066 posts)she could have taken the license plate number. No need to endanger herself or anyone else by trying to detain someone in a moving vehicle.
Lucky for all concerned no one in this scenario produced a gun.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)was another person altogether, one who kept stepping in front of the car. Two people, not one were outside the car. The one trying to play vice cop was not the manager.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)was another person altogether, one who kept stepping in front of the car. Two people, not one were outside the car. The one trying to play vice cop was not the manager.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)jumping in front of their car as they drove out of the parking lot, having had a little fun before doing so. They backed up away from her, according to the story and then moved forward assuming they had a clear way out. Instead this apparently, from their pov, crazy lunatic jumped in front of them again.
So what does attempted vehicular homicide have to do with this situation?
Looks more like attempted vehicular suicide to me.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But you don't have a right to intentionally run people over with your car.
Even if they are crazy and standing in front of it.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Who was injured in any of this?
Yes, some people are idiots.
50% of the population is below average intelligence.
So what?
Idiots deserve to be run over by cars, is that it.
Hey, let's go beat up some stupid people.
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tabasco
(22,974 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)deliberately running someone down and how it is relevant to THIS story. Where does it say the driver tried to run anyone down? It says the opposite, it says the apparently deranged individual jumped in front of a moving car, not once but twice. It may be a shock to you to learn that people should not jump in front of moving cars no matter how much sex offends them.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)You would be Zimmerman with your belief you can detain anyone you please and they must comply
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)would be a more mellow place.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,180 posts)Reference: The World According to Garp (the book).
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)But if people are parked in a semi-secluded area and not being inappropriate about it, just let them have their business.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,180 posts)(It's in my contract.)
Personally, I tend to avoid any vehicle that has fogged-up windows. Or a bumper sticker that says "If this van's rockin', don't bother knockin'". And especially if it's next to a bumper sticker that says "This vehicle protected by Smith & Wesson".
But I also make it a point not to stand in front of, or behind, any moving vehicles.
All in all, I think there's a whole lot of dumb to be shared among all the participants in this little slice of life.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
What a difficult concept.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)but we definitely have more chance of being seen in our driveway than in some secluded part of a park or parked behind a building or something.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)No problems with that.
siligut
(12,272 posts)The woman was just a busybody.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)Or is it comprehension you have a problem with?
At that point, the female driver began screaming at the self-appointed crime stopper and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the drivers side.
The manager was behind the vehicle, the self appointed crime stopper was in the front of it...but when you fail to put the first part of the sentence "and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager..." you tend to lose thwe context.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Reading is old fashioned.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)provided that's all that was going on. Your speculating that something else must have been going confirms that even you agree that if the story is accurate, the informer had not logical reason for calling the cops.
Maybe they are in love?? That's all I can think of?
'OMG, someone is having sex in a car'.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You side with violence.
I side with non-violence.
Different philosophies, I suppose.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The driver of the car initiated violence in attempting to use the car as a weapon.
I guess it is okay with you when protesters in Turkey are run over with vehicles because they won't get out of the street.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)She was attempting to use the car as a vehicle in order to get away from the Church Lady.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)detain you is NOT an "act of violence." If I am running away from you and you get in front of me, and I then accidentally knock you down, I have not "initiated an act of violence," even if you got hurt by being knocked down by my running body. Same with the car. The driver was not trying to hit the busybody Church Lady. The driver was trying NOY to hit her. That is not an act of violence. (It was an attempt to escape from a scary person who was trying to commit unlawful imprisonment.)
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Can I go into the middle of Walmart and start masturbating?
You can have any kind of wild and crazy kinky sex you want... on your own property or with permission of the owner.
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)From the local news:
"...The woman called the police and the motels manager. While waiting for police to arrive, both she and the manager observed the SUV leave its parking spot and move toward an exit."
Sometimes when the stories are repeated, clarity gets lost.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130604/NEWS02/306040010/IMPD-Woman-struck-by-vehicle-after-snitching-couple-having-public-sex?nclick_check=1
brush
(53,782 posts)tblue37
(65,383 posts)to keep them from leaving was not the manager!
Read this paragraph more carefully:
[font color = "blue"]At that point, the female driver began screaming at the self-appointed crime stopper "and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the drivers side.[/font]
The "self-appointed crime-stopper" was the Church Lady busybody who called the cops. She was in front of the car. The manager was another person altogether. She was behind the car. The busybody was not the manager.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)She gets no sympathy from me.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, if a pimp decides that his prostitutes are going to use the parking lot of that business for their business, then the manager is a "stupid meddlesome bluenose interfering busybody".
I don't know the situation at this particular cheap motel, but there has been a crackdown on motel operators who allow prostitution on their premises around some parts.
The way the story is written, she is a random woman, and only a passing mention of her being the manager of the motel.
So, a motel operator is "meddlesome" for not allowing prostitution in the parking lot?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and I am confident many DUers will attest to this.
If she was really that offended, sure, call the cops and give them the plate number but DON'T THROW YOURSELF IN FRONT OF THE FUCKING SUV, you moron!
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You don't know what the situation was, but you side with the attempted murderer in the story.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)She was definitely a potential Darwin Award candidate.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)try to escape. If you interfere with that attempt you are at fault if you are injured.
You seem to have difficulty with this... You may not illegally detain other people.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)descriptor "attempted murderer". Fuck iron, you need irony supplements in your multi-vitamin.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)If it's "just sex", standing in front of a moving vehicle in an attempt to stop them is beyond moronic...If the manager is alleging rape, pederasty or hearing cries of "help!", then that is a different story...
It doesn't necessarily have to be pimp/whore/john related, without knowing more about the story...
Pelican
(1,156 posts)She, as a civilian, has zero authority, moral or legal, to try to detain them. Zero...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Was my Dad the only person ever who said "two wrongs don't make a right"?
Who was injured in this story?
You see, "someone doing something wrong" does not make it okay to try to kill them.
Pelican
(1,156 posts)The woman was wrong, the driver of the car was wrong....
Big buckets of wrong to go around.
As you can see throughout this thread though , there is quite a bit of psychological pleasure to be had at the thought of Mrs. Grundy receiving her "comeuppance."
RC
(25,592 posts)She had every right to leave. The women trying to stop her were wrong.
Why do so many on DU think everyone is guilty of something, just by being in a news story?
sibelian
(7,804 posts)uh?
Also, who cares whether two people have sex in a car? The appopriate thing is to tell them to bugger off. She threatens cops, eek they think, then they start scarpering, which is what she wanted but it's NOT ENOUGH! THEY NEED TO HAVE "LEARNED" their "LESSON"!
Drivel.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)motel. We keep quoting the relevant paragraph from the article to show you that she WAS NOT the manager of the motel. Yet you keep claiming over and over again that she was the manager of the motel.
malaise
(269,020 posts)WTF????
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And she has a job - managing the motel.
The driver attempted to take her life.
petronius
(26,602 posts)She called the manager, who was a witness and got the plate number...
Nine
(1,741 posts)Nine
(1,741 posts)thucythucy
(8,066 posts)what was the point of trying to detain "the suspects?"
It's just fortunate for all concerned nobody produced a gun.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)The woman who was trying to stop them WAS NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL!!!
Nine
(1,741 posts)I get it. You think the woman was a busybody. Explain to me while that's a bigger outrage than the fact that the driver of the car decided to use it as a weapon. Man, when DU decides someone is "not their kind of people," apparently they don't care what happens to that person.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)The victim stepped in front of the vehicle and advised the female driver that she was not allowed to leave until the police arrived, the report said. The vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.
Nine
(1,741 posts)At that point, the female driver began screaming at the self-appointed crime stopper and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the drivers side.
You're not allowed to deliberately run someone over just because they're blocking your car.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)call the police with the plate # and leave it at that.
there was no reason to get all vigilante - put her life at risk and who knows what else.
just plain stupid.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"You're not leaving this parking lot?" Yeah, right -- I've got eight cylinders and 350 horses that say I am...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)over such a MINOR issue, then there's not much else to say about them...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Would there even be a Republican party anymore?
Heywood J
(2,515 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)SEEEX!!!! DEAAAATH!!!
Nine
(1,741 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)as opposed to brush, nudge, sideswipe, or maybe some toes got run over for a split second...
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(7,804 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So she wasn't exactly a bloody, semi-conscious mess.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)she still might have been accurately considered a "bloody, semi-conscious mess" in England.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)kidnap you.
Your rights to not be assaulted go out the window if you attempt to unlawfully detain or kidnap someone. They have the right to assault you to escape. I'm betting these two people suffer no consequences for that reason.
mathematic
(1,439 posts)I'm not seeing the unlawful detention. If it was a car double parked blocking them in, would they have the right to smash into that car to clear the way? I seriously doubt it but I'm willing to be surprised. Regardless, this would be one step further, responding to a property crime with an assault.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)No way, and the courts in Indiana will definitely find that these folks did nothing wrong. They have already ruled that people can use deadly force against police who try to detain people but who do not have all their ducks in a row.
mathematic
(1,439 posts)I've read through the bits of case law and statutes you've posted and it all seems to be about responding to detention or assaults. Having your car blocked is not detention, since you are free to leave your car behind. Being held by force or the threat of force IS detention and neither of those apply here.
Can you find any case that more closely matches what happened here? Either in Indiana or anywhere else? If you have a link to the statutes, maybe you can post the definition of detention. I think that might help clear things up.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)the door of a dwelling.
The unlawfully detained spouse could climb out a window, particularly if it is on the first floor. But the person preventing you from access to the door is still guilty of unlawful detention and all that comes along with that, including the right to assault them to get out.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)People thinking they are Rambo and attempting a citizens arrest and thinking they have the right to detain, kidnap and falsely imprison other people.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Not only do regular citizens not have the right to do that, and force is justified against them if they try, Indiana's supreme court recently decided that if police try to detain you without a warrant or probable cause, deadly force is justified to use against them as well.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)You are not obligated to put yourself in danger and leave your vehicle.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)But in that statement you are not accounting for the possible post-coitus shame at any stains that might have made an appearance on the couples' apparel. You also fail to account for any residual and legally unmanageable tumescence.
Perverts often are swamped by remorse and guilt after the fact, and this may have influenced their behavior.
Especially if they are Catholic, or are coming down off of a Mojito and Budweiser high.
In which case, and as legal council I recommend 1,000 mg of B12 and amounts of magnesium as yet uncalculated.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary. Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.
An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter. Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified. Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence. Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
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(32,886 posts)randome
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(25,592 posts)Actually, it is a fountain, but who's noticing?
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opiate69
(10,129 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)escape you have the right to self defense.
The lady threw herself in front of a car that was clearly trying to leave what the driver may have felt was a potentially dangerous situation. Force was justified.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)The driver was merely trying to leave. The other woman kept stepping in front of the car, but the driver was trying to avoid hitting the woman, trying to go around her, so she was NOT using force against her.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)what happened to her.
You are allowed to assault someone who has kidnapped or unlawfully detained you in order to escape.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)that the driver was "deliberately" running someone over. If the silly moo wants to play cops and robbers she should apply like everyone else.
SEX! SEX! HIDEOUS SEX! OMG! SEX! ARGGGGH!!! SEX!!! SEX! JESUS! SEX! IN A CAR!!!! SCARY, FREAKY CAR SEX!!! etc.
What exactly was stopping her just going up and tapping on the windscreen and telling them to cut it out and get a room? Calling the cops, FFS... for sex in a CAR? Are you kidding me? Nah, cops are the way to go. Maximal emotional disturbance.
The whole thing's about her and her silly perceptions of HERSELF.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)She had no right to unlawfully attempt to detain them when they tried to leave.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)People can get pretty frisky when the start speaking in tongues. Or maybe they were vacuuming the carpet.
edbermac
(15,940 posts)And she was just trying to suck out the venom.
Any number of untoward and perhaps inauspicious social disasters could have taken place.
Who hasn't been misunderstood when found in raspberry leather chaps and a bullet bra in the synagogue parking lot?
Even events seemingly inspired by animated series can occur.
nebenaube
(3,496 posts)They let the driver go...
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... divine "intent" from the article?
tblue37
(65,383 posts)apparently unaware of the other person (the manager) standing behind the SUV. She didn't hit the manager, but she nearly did when she put the car into reverse to try to get away from the scary Church Lady who was trying to unlawfully detain her.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yes, the woman was injured by someone who believed they had the right to use deadly force against her while she was doing her job of managing the motel. Of course she will be attacked on DU.
Cheap motels in some areas attract a certain amount of nuisance activity and in some places face stiff fines for allowing it on the premises.
Who knows what her boss told her, but being injured by someone who tries to kill you is okay, as long as it was someone who just had sex.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)From a link upthread.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)They already had the tag number of the vehicle, it wasn't like the people couldn't be found.
I'm sure the police would have got right on it.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Article 1, Section 11 of the Indiana state Constitution says:
Section 11. The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable search or seizure,
shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable
cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing
the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized.
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If someone attempts to unlawfully detain or kidnap you, you have the right to assault them in an attempt to escape. I am going to bet that these two in the car, ahem, get off.
Nay
(12,051 posts)you aren't allowed to try to escape this nutbag? Unbelievable. From the news report, I'd say the driver did everything she could to avoid badly injuring the nutbag, but FFS, anyone upthread who suggested that the driver and her companion GET OUT OF THE CAR and flee on foot has lost their marbles. You NEVER get out of your car to confront a nut! Ever!
The judge will take one look at this and throw it out, and hopefully tell the nutbag to let the effin' police handle it!
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... misstate facts.
Jeeeezzzz.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)that the driver was NOT deliberately trying to kill her, initiate violence, or assault her with a deadly weapon, but trying NOT to hit her, but rather to go around her, not trying to initiate violence, but merely trying to get away. jberryhill doesn't want to take mere facts into consideration. He continues to make all of those clearly false claims, and continues to claim that she was the manager and just "doing her job."
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Repeatedly stepping in front of a moving vehicle = suicide attempt.
Guess it failed for her. Fucking busybodies...
tabasco
(22,974 posts)brush
(53,782 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)She was managing to groove on a boss love-thang.
And she was at the motel.
She was a manager at the motel.
What part of "repetition makes reality" do you not understand? God! Why must I explain everything to you DUers?!
tblue37
(65,383 posts)busybody who was trying to unlawfully detain the couple. The Driver did NOT try to use deadly force against her. The driver tried TO GO AROUND HER in order to get away. ANd if the idiot had not kept getting in front of the SUV as the drier tried to go around her, she would not have been hit.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It is always good to know all of the circumstances in which the use of deadly force is justified.
That way, one can always take advantage when the opportunity presents itself.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Silent3
(15,217 posts)...I wouldn't ram into them, of course, but if an exchange of words failed to clear my path I would slowly nudge forward and, if they still won't move, as carefully as possible I will start pushing them out of the way with my car.
I don't accept that just because someone decides to be obnoxious about blocking me that they gain an inviolable right not to be touched even gently by my moving car. Unless an idiot lays down on the ground in front of my tires, their life is hardly going to be in peril. If something does go wrong anyway, despite me being as careful as possible, it's not my fault that someone else insisted on creating their own risky situation.
randome
(34,845 posts)Since only 'minor injuries' are reported, it's ridiculous for the article to say 'run over' and it's ridiculous for anyone to claim 'attempted murder'.
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The clowns throwing "murder" and "attempted murder" around this thread win today's "Complete Loss of Perspective" award for hyperbole, unless there is a lot more to this story that I don't know...
Xithras
(16,191 posts)You can't just detain someone because you feel like it. In most states, you can't detain ANYONE unless you're making a citizens arrest, and those generally only apply to felonies. What she was doing may have risen to the level of false imprisonment.
You may be unhappy about a law being broken on your property, but your unhappiness doesn't give you the right to perform another crime to bring the people to "justice". If she'd used her head, she would have known that her legal rights limited her to simply recording the description of the people and vehicle plates.
And yes, if someone is illegally detaining you, you DO have the right to resist violently to gain your freedom. There is no legal obligation to submit to someone who is holding you prisoner without legal basis. The only real question here will be whether the force used was commensurate with the threat. It clearly wasn't, but I seriously doubt the driver will see any serious prison time. The driver has a number of potential defenses, most of which would wipe out any serious attempts to imprison them.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)state constitution reads:
Section 11. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable search or seizure,
shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing
the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized.
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This would absolutely be an unlawful detention.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)If you try to detain me in any way I will resist you.
Citizens Arrest.. People really need to be disavowed of that notion.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Can I at least ask why? on the grand scale of criminal severity, consensual sex in a semi-public place ranks pretty low...
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Explain to me how putting yourself in danger for no good purpose or reason is a good idea.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Surely you can train it to toss TeeVee execs?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Yes, people who try to confine good people are not our kind of people.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)and even dumber thread
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)And now you must pay with the fender of a 2003 Ford Taurus.
tblue37
(65,383 posts)She tried to avoid hitting the pedestrian with the car, but the pedestrian kept hopping in front of the moving car as the driver tried to maneuver around her. How on earth do you and jberryhill come up with this "deliberate" crap and this "attempted murder" and "initiating violence" crap?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)All they tried to do was crush her to death with their vehicle, like that's a crime.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)That, and the Jehovah's witness buried in my yard.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)"Unless you roll down your window and politely ask 'How can I help you?', you have no idea what that screaming person blocking your car wants. I often step out of my vehicle, open the passenger door, and ask if they'd like a seat."
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)I thought we covered this.
And I think we know how to help them.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)No outrage here, but maybe stupid, busy-body lady will think twice next time she wants to play vice cop.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)by her proclivity to wander motel parking lots while distracted.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)The typical striking of attitudes...
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Just let the police handle things like this. It was like she was trying to play cop and got run over as a result.
I could see stepping in if someone was getting hurt, but it was just two people doing it in a car. I wouldn't even call the police for that.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Nothing like a woman scored.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)I suspect that you had an untimely typo there.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Even if they were having sex in her hotel parking lot, who cares? Even if it was prostitution, who cares? It should be legalized anyway.
Who was it hurting?
I wouldn't care enough to put my body in front of a car, repeatedly.
hunter
(38,313 posts)When I don't want to see something like that, I don't look.
If the woman who got run over is married to one of the people in the SUV, maybe I get it.
If it's not something like that, then she's just crazy voyeur stalker lady.
I'm surprised the police didn't say "Thank you for your call," and advise her to remove herself from the situation.
I doubt our police even come out for such calls.
They'd have told her to file an incident report on their web site, or in person at the police station.
NiteOwll
(191 posts)The vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.
Maybe she was trying to get run over? Mental illness? Death wish? Didn't understand that vehicles can hurt people?
If an SUV is clearly trying to get around me, I move. Easy decision. I will always lose that battle.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)and she kept stepping in front of the SUV? She is hardly a victim when she repeatedly kept stepping in front of them. Death wish sounds more like it.
randome
(34,845 posts)This is a crappy article designed to get the Internet buzzing with the added benefit of a whole lot more traffic at RawStory.
What were this woman's 'minor injuries'? Her eyes burning at having seen something unwholesome?
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)petronius
(26,602 posts)breaking news in front of our eyeballs so quickly?
(It's sourced in the caption: stock photo from some vendor.)
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)She looks pleasantly surprised, at minimum.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Beacool
(30,249 posts)The couple should have gotten a room and done whatever they wanted in private. The woman shouldn't have stood in front of their car. Better safe than sorry. Then again, the driver shouldn't have ran her over.
Too many stupid people in the world.
nebenaube
(3,496 posts)more likely bumped her with a mirror from the description.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)is vastly preferable to throwing oneself in front of a moving SUV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fainting_couch
randome
(34,845 posts)Actually, just about anywhere is better than in a car.
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Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...full on missionary in the backseat of my old 77 Lincoln was like doing it in a twin bed. I wouldn't even want to think about trying that in my newer Prius.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)hope you had a great time.
If you did it on someone else property or on public property you risk getting arrested and deserve no tears.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Maybe in an Outback, I wouldn't know.
unblock
(52,243 posts)whether or not there were any actual children around, there's a very reasonable expectation that children might be able to see you if you're having sex in public in a motel parking lot. in fact it's even worse in a motel parking lot vs. most others because time of day doesn't help. in the parking lot of a closed supermarket at 3am, you might have an argument that no kids should be able to see you, but in a motel parking lot families on long treks arrive or leave at all hours.
if this is ok where do you draw the line? should couples be able to strip and screw anytime, anywhere? is the park ok? how about on a school playground? or is there something magical about a car that makes it ok even though anyone can peer in?
to my read, the couple did at least 3 things wrong:
1) nudity/sex in public
2) resisting (citizen's) arrest
3) intentionally driving in a way that they knew would cause harm to a pedestrian.
now, i agree that i, at least, would not have risked my body to facilitate an arrest for the police, but i certainly can't agree with all those who are blaming the victim here. her decision to effect a citizen's arrest and stand in front of the car in no way legitimizes the behavior of the copulating couple.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Say the driver was lost and needed to look at his map or ask for directions.
And the school bus might have parked right next to the SUV containing the naughty couple. And they might not have noticed a school bus parked next to them.
The impressionable young schoolchildren might then have seen the couple having sex and would have been mentally scarred, permanently, for the rest of their lives.
You're absolutely correct. We always need to think of the children. Always.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"We always need to think of the children. Always..."
I imagine that's one reason one is not allowed to urinate in the parking lot of school during recess-- to avoid scarring children. Now would be a wonderfully apt opportunity to engage in civil disobedience and do just that-- I imagine finding a nearby school wouldn't be much of a chore for you, and you'd have the both the moral and ethical standard on your side (if not the legal). Let us know how it goes...
Unless of course, we realize there is indeed, a time and a place for everything; and thinking/acting otherwise is simply a convenient excuse to be an idiot...
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)What if, God forbid, a child were to come in?
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)I'm sick of their al fresco fucking and solo feral-lingus.
I've had it with Mr and Ms. Arfy. I'm detaining them all until the authorities show up with cold buckets of anti-fuck to toss on them.
Or brooms.
unblock
(52,243 posts)so what's the idea here? are you in favor of legalizing public nudity and public fornication, anytime, anywhere?
if you think it should EVER be illegal, then where would you draw the line such that motel parking lots are ok, but public parks or school grounds are not?
if you are dismissive of the children, fine, but then please acknowledge that then that you're in favor of zero restrictions on public nudity or fornication.
i see plenty of people here mocking the "nosiness" of the victim (odd to call it "nosiness" when the tupping teammates put it all out there for the public to see) yet no one fessing up to advocating legal sex, anytime, anywhere, which seems to be the only logical alternative.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)he would call the cops quick like.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Tien1985
(920 posts)fornicated on my stoop they'd be Internet stars on YouTube. I'd be laughing too hard to call anyone. Would people really call the police over this? It doesn't seem like a big deal.
Maybe I'd hose them down for fun.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Heywood J
(2,515 posts)and said "you're under citizen's arrest", your contention is that I would have no choice but to sit there and wait? Welcome to the 21st century - you have no idea who anyone else actually is and what's going on with their brain.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)I picture a doofus running up to somebody with a plastic badge and saying that they're under arrest.
The reason for throwing herself in front of the car was ridiculous because nobody was getting hurt. It made no sense to step in, when she should have just gotten the car's license plate and gave it to the police.
Who cares if children saw? Will seeing sex cause their head to explode? The lady should have just yelled at them to go away and then that's it if she was so concerned. Stepping in front of an escaping car when there's no legitimate reason to stop the car (kidnapping, for example) is very very stupid.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Because most children are too short to see in a vehicle.
Besides, the classic excuse that "They're dancing, honey" will work just fine. Or maybe tell them there's a trampoline in the car. But then, you know, they'll nag you 'til you get one for YOUR car.
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)walking through? If they were that intent on having sex where they could be watched, why not in the middle of an intersection on the main street instead of a parking lot? It was dumb of the woman to step in front of the car though. She should have just given the license plate number and description of said car to the police.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Get the license plates and the car description and give to the police. And move on with your business. The woman standing in front of a car put herself in danger and was completely unnecessary.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The issue here is that attempting to run someone over is not acceptable. By the logic, you can use force against anyone if you have a problem with something that they did. Granted, she shouldn't have stood in front of the car, but when the driver made the choice to run her over, they put themselves in legal jeopardy.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)The two were having sex...they were not robbing a bank.
Indecent exposure is a misdemeanor, and it would possibly even be dropped if a prosecutor doesnt want to spend the time on it. You are going to put your life on the line for that? What if the couple had a gun? That woman could have put someone elses life in danger. You dont know what people are capable of these days.
Did she deserve to be hit by a car? No. But she no hero. She's an idiot.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Since she was on a mission, could she be said to have been in a missionary position?
I think yes, absolutely. It makes perfect sense to me. English-wise it certainly does.
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)and she was just as damned determined to be run over.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)But no means no, ma'am!
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)This woman tells these people that she's called the cops and expects them to stay there and wait for them? What's the normal reaction of people when you tell them the cops are coming? This woman is a complete fool and she is ultimately responsible for her own injuries, if indeed there were any.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)she lost points for not bringing in two horny haybags.
This was a scavenger hunt, right?
madokie
(51,076 posts)Its not her place to do what she did.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)while the people inside were, er, busy?
Not worth getting run over about. She could have been seriously injured or killed.
Personally, I believe in MYOB and live/let live, but sometimes people are so in your face with their personal business it's hard to.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I can't believe the number people that are spouting the idiot libertine "SEX IN PUBLIC IS AWESOME SO MIND YOUR OWN BEESWAX" line of bullshit.
A motel is not public property, and the owner/management gets to decide whether fucking in public is OK or not OK.
The woman attempting to "detain" the folks was wrong though, she should have just copied down the plate numbers and been done with it.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Well not on my watch. Never again!
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)One poster got it wrong (REPEATEDLY), and then tried to straw man the situation with the sarcastic "well, then it is okay to kill her" (which is NOT what anyone has said).
The consensus is that she broke the first rule of wisdom: "Do Not Put Yourself In Harms Way Without Good Cause." Other people having finished having sex does not seem to merit jumping in front of a moving vehicle (while saving a puppy or small child would garner universal approval - unless it was a baby pit bull eating leftover Olive Garden, in which case all bets are off!).
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Where can I get the bumper sticker?
Tien1985
(920 posts)"I survived Motelocaust 2013" with the flaming thread icon under it
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Maybe a self delete would be in order?
RC
(25,592 posts)Things can be allowed there, as if it were public, that cannot be allowed by management inside. Like sex in your car.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)nice try though
RC
(25,592 posts)In some areas, it is not against the law to engage in sex in "public".
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)By the way a hotels parking lot is not truly public.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)Not far from me is the I-35 freeway that runs thought Austin.
There was a recent story in the local rag about how the motels and hotels in a particular stretch of that freeway experience higher than normal meth, crack and prostitution issues.
Several of the managers of the establishments were interviewed.
Generally speaking, drug use and a prostitution run hand in hand in lower economic areas.
So as a manager of a motel who is trying to maintain safety for his clients, calling the cops on people having sex in a car, may actually not be as uptight and/or innocent as it sounds.
hunter
(38,313 posts)Otherwise, get out of the way and don't make the situation worse. They got the license plate, they called the police, done. Sometimes expressing a little scorn is appropriate, but standing in front of a car is like standing in front of a gun. You don't know what the stranger with the gun or car is going to do, or why they are going to do it. The stranger in SUV could be a most wanted murderer, and one more victim -you- won't matter.
I've confronted many people previously in my work (teaching in the big city was the worst...) but now it's mostly kids painting graffiti on my back wall, smoking weed, or cutting class to make out. But I'm not going to let any of these confrontations go violent and there are only a few things I'll call the police about.
If I called the police about everything I'm sure the police would start to ignore me. Our police pretty much have to ignore people anyways because they are so understaffed. They don't go out of their way for the small stuff.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)her acting as "citizen cop" really was pretty stupid.
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onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)Crazy lady standing in front of car. A man is standing behind the car. They say the police have been alerted and said you should remain until they get there.
Remain in car and wait for the arrival for police, so you can either 1) have the woman arrested for unlawful detention or 2) get your ticket or fine for deciding to get frisky in your car OUTSIDE of a motel.
But, at no point is attempting to go through the man or woman lawful. Remaining in the car is lawful. Waiting for the police is lawful. Explaining what happened to the police is lawful.
Having sex OUTSIDE of a hotel. Stupid.
Could they not take the person to one of their houses or was a spouse already there?
Were they afraid the moment would leave too quickly for them to pay for a room?
This is like a badly written b-movie comedy. He looks into her eyes and they are both swept away by the romantic notion of it all? The smell of pavement in the morning...the sound of the cleaning crew carts rolling by...looking up and seeing people walk by the car...
Harold Robbins...where are you when we need you?
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)If someone is trying to detain you, you have the right to escape.
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)They definitely chose the escape option.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)He's going to have to do better than a car in the parking lot of some cheap motel. But anyway, there are no geniuses in this little scenario. The woman was stupid for trying to stand in front of the vehicle (even if she worked for the motel, she wouldn't get paid enough for that), and the driver was stupid for running her over and risking charges of attempted vehicular homicide. Just give the plate number to the cops and be done with it.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I hope the couple were wearing seat belts - safe sex.
randome
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L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)..ya gotta wonder if she is a reputable observer...
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Good Cause is NOT other people finishing sex; give the license plate to the police, and let them handle it.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)and minded her own damned business.
liberalhistorian
(20,818 posts)business and let it go. Yes, there are better places for couples to get their freak on than in a car in a motel parking lot early in the morning, but she escalated it far beyond what she should have and should have just let them go. They weren't hurting anyone and were trying to leave when she stuck her busybody nose in it. And don't the police have better things to do than hassle people having sex because some prude doesn't like it? Sheesh. Her injuries are her own damn fault.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Classic Darwin Award! She got what she deserved.
Next time leave it to the pros. There are these things called license plates.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)If you've ever lived in dodgier neighborhoods, you'll likely be familiar with seeing prostitutes turning tricks in alleys or that kind of thing.
alp227
(32,025 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)opportunistically, such as here, in this instance, wouldn't you?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)The "VICTIM?" How about the aggressor?
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)a person would prefer to have sex OUTSIDE.
Now if they had been having sex outside a Hilton or something, I think the manager would have a point.
But the simple solution here is to charge for the parking lot:
Sex in parking lot: $15
Sex in our rooms: $12.95
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)And even if they were having sex, you can't detain someone.
The woman who got run over is going to lose this case. Simple law.
The women driving the car will have a statement such as "I was in fear for my life, there was a crazy women telling me I could not leave! I tried to back up and drive to the side and the woman kept jumping in front of my car. I panicked and by accident, ran her over."
LAW ENFORCEMENT TIP #!: If you are not a police officer, and you witness what you believe is a crime - you CALL the police, and let THEM handle it. When you try to interject yourself as a law officer, you are asking for trouble.
haele
(12,659 posts)If a woman is is screaming at me, and trying to block me from leaving when I hadn't done anything legally wrong, do I have the right to suspect she might be trying to do me harm and try to get out of the place I am in? Especially if there is also someone behind my car?
I'll admit that were I in the driver's situation, I'd probably try to do the same thing - get the F** away from a crazy woman who might have a gun or might want my car and try not to hurt her in the process.
The woman had only minor injuries, which, according to the report happened when "the vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.
Sounds as if she was injured as badly as I was I was standing on the sidewalk at a street corner, didn't pay attention and stepped out into the street against a "don't walk" sign and walked directly into a Lincoln turning right at probably 3 - 5 mph.
I got a twisted ankle and shoulder, a sore bum, and a couple dozen bruises and scrapes, and it was totally my fault because the driver actually waited to see if I was doing anything and began his turn, not expecting me to suddenly step into him.
This wasn't a Deathrace 2000 situation, where the adrenalin-crazed driver was trying to get points hitting an inconveniently positioned pedestrian in a crosswalk - this was pretty obvious from the report that the driver was attempting not to hit the woman when she jumped in front of them as they were leaving.
And yes, no matter what I had been doing before, I would have been swearing and yelling at the crazy woman who was throwing herself at my vehicle, trying to stop me and perhaps hurt me or my passenger.
Especially if I had been distastefully engaged in "risky role-play" with a freak buddy (or spouse/long-term partner) in a dodgy area where there might also be drug dealers and prostitutes...
The driver did not seem to attempt to hit her, she got herself hit. That's my read from the article.
Haele
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Some people are just assholes. Just go about your business, why must you insist on bothering other people? And calling the cops? What a dick move.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)You have every right and opportunity to engage in whatever form of sex you choose on your own property, or with the permission of the property owner.
You can ask someone for permission to park behind an old building or offer a farmer $50 bucks to to get wild in the back forty.
People who believe they have some silly right to copulate anyplace they feel like it need to be disavowed of that notion.
Schools are public, should we allow couples to fuck in one of them?
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Nine
(1,741 posts)I myself don't find that at all admirable, but why don't you try sending that in to Penthouse?
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)And attending the school.
It still counts though.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Is there anything illegal about having sex in a car in a public parking lot?
Get a room.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)when I told the guys I worked with, they all ran out to see
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Incitatus
(5,317 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)"Feel free to stay overnight in your RV." Yeah, right.
You can even stick your plug in their outlet to get a charge.
Why's that lady's outrage not placed where it's needed?!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)not the couple copulatin'!
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Heheh.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)MYOB
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It's one thing to call the police. It is an entirely different thing to confront and attempt to physically stop a SUV with just her body. How did she think that was going to work out? Idiocy.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Tiananmen Square fantasy?
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)That's how great my unfulfilled desires will be.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)She could have written down the license plate number and turned that over to police if she really wanted to make this an issue. Putting yourself in harm's way because people were having car sex? Idiot.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)was acting as a morals police. I just don't understand losers that would have sex in the parking lot of a budget rate motel, why not get a room.
apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)Did the woman appear to be a sex slave or forced into prostitution? Those are the only two scenarios I can think of that would justify the hotel manager's actions. If it was just a consensual romp that doesn't happen regularly, then taking down the license plate should have sufficed (or simply ignoring them).
rightsideout
(978 posts)And all this never would have happened.