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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:00 AM Jun 2013

Woman run over after calling police on couple having car sex

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/woman-run-over-after-calling-police-on-couple-having-car-sex/



A woman in Indiana is being treated for minor injuries after she was run over by a couple who she tried to prevent from leaving a motel parking lot because they had been having sex in their car.

An Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department report obtained by the Indy Star said that the woman decided to take matters into her own hands after noticing a man and woman having sex in a 2000 GMC sports-utility vehicle at a Super 8 early Tuesday morning.

According to the report, the woman called police but before officers could arrive, the couple finished up and decided to leave.

“The victim stepped in front of the vehicle and advised the female driver that she was not allowed to leave until the police arrived,” the report said. “The vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.”
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Woman run over after calling police on couple having car sex (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2013 OP
Stupid on all fronts. n/t geomon666 Jun 2013 #1
Indeeed, you don't know where to start in on it. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #20
Well, there's that ol' MYOB thing... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #2
It was her business jberryhill Jun 2013 #9
No, she was NOT the manager. She ALERTED the manager. Myrina Jun 2013 #38
Oh, okay, then she was fair game to try to kill jberryhill Jun 2013 #57
I'm going to out on a limb here. randome Jun 2013 #66
At one? Or for one? jberryhill Jun 2013 #73
Nope, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I think he's qualified. nt Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #74
Lol - I almost did... DUzy! jberryhill Jun 2013 #76
LOL! randome Jun 2013 #79
Probably Not, On the Road Jun 2013 #203
The story says she kept stepping in front of the vehicle. IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #129
What utter balderdash, what is this "try to kill" crap? sibelian Jun 2013 #170
The article says she was run over jberryhill Jun 2013 #172
No, the TITLE of article says she was "run over" and then doesn't back it up in the text. sibelian Jun 2013 #184
Fucking busybodies .... oldhippie Jun 2013 #171
Is there something wrong with having sex? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #109
Is there something wrong with hitting someone with a car? jberryhill Jun 2013 #111
You didn't answer my question. Is there something so wrong with sex that sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #116
The article is not specific to what was going on jberryhill Jun 2013 #121
Where in the story does it say that the couple deliberately tried to run over the woman? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #127
Obviously the DRIVER thought there was something wrong with having sex - karynnj Jun 2013 #189
She was brushed aside by the side of the car. Not 'run over' as the erroneous title states. randome Jun 2013 #196
The driver was accosted by a seemingly disturbed individual who jumped in front of the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #197
I'm marking this day in red on my calendar. randome Jun 2013 #198
Lol, anything is possible after this! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #204
Not when a person jumps in front of your car. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #180
there is nothing wrong with having sex. the woman is a complete idiot samsingh Jun 2013 #150
Agreed! brush Jun 2013 #186
If there was prostitution ongoing in that parking lot, then yes, closeupready Jun 2013 #164
But that is just speculation. Prostitution could be going on anywhere, inside the motel sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #167
Would you object if prostitutes turned tricks in your driveway? closeupready Jun 2013 #168
Okay, I'll look for you the next time riot control runs over someone who doesn't move jberryhill Jun 2013 #176
Indecent exposure comes to mind TrogL Jun 2013 #264
Well, if someone is in a private driveway engaged in prostitution, that is an entirely different sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #269
Only the prudish nanny-staters would ever conceive of such an impracticable concept such as LanternWaste Jun 2013 #130
Neither is it a leap of logic to state that said defacator is an animal-lover. Kurovski Jun 2013 #268
.. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #3
Nosy is as nosy does... Pelican Jun 2013 #4
Why does she care if they were doing that??? cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #5
Important clue here jberryhill Jun 2013 #7
I think there's 100% consensus that standing in front of a moving vehicle is a really bad idea. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #10
Attempted vehicular homicide is a pretty bad idea too jberryhill Jun 2013 #13
LOL!!!!!!! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #15
So you have a right to try to kill "stupid people"? jberryhill Jun 2013 #19
'Minor injuries'. Doubt they were trying to murder her. randome Jun 2013 #28
+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #87
The murderous couple were physically spent from their lovemaking, Kurovski Jun 2013 #262
"Nearly striking" is "trying to kill?" You're trying way DirkGently Jun 2013 #286
If the manager was standing behind the vehicle, thucythucy Jun 2013 #91
She WASN'T the manager. The manager was behind the car. The busybody trying to stop the car tblue37 Jun 2013 #291
She WASN'T the manager. The manager was behind the car. The busybody trying to stop the car tblue37 Jun 2013 #292
Yes it is. But how is that relevant to this situation? The couple saw a crazy person sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #173
This may come as a shock to you jberryhill Jun 2013 #177
You know, you're starting to sound a little crazy yourself by continually defending an idiot. nt brush Jun 2013 #188
Who initiated violence? jberryhill Jun 2013 #193
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #195
Who initiated an illegal arrest? tabasco Jun 2013 #266
No, it's not a shock to me at all. I asked you why you are talking about someone sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #199
Yes you do MattBaggins Jun 2013 #215
Thank you Mr. Zimmerman jberryhill Jun 2013 #249
Just the opposite MattBaggins Jun 2013 #288
Still, who cares? Maybe if more people had sex in cars, they could relax more and the world cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #42
PSA: This is not recommended if one of the participants is driving the car at the time. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #92
They had finished when she attempted to run down the person. cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #151
Oh, I agree with "Live and Let Live". Just adding my 2 cents worth of general snarkiness. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #161
You can have sex in your car.... wait for it MattBaggins Jun 2013 #217
Oh, I have.... cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #225
Find someone who will give you permission to park behind their building MattBaggins Jun 2013 #227
The manager was standing behind the SUV siligut Jun 2013 #47
Still not reading atreides1 Jun 2013 #63
Who has time to read jberryhill Jun 2013 #174
Why would anyone care where a couple decides to have sex? Judging by the information sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #120
Who committed an act of violence? jberryhill Jun 2013 #122
So sex is violent to you? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #244
That's just silly jberryhill Jun 2013 #248
The driver was just trying to get away; she was NOT "attempting to use the car as a weapon." tblue37 Jun 2013 #294
Trying to drive away from a person acting bizarre and trying to tblue37 Jun 2013 #293
Why would anyone care where people have sex? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #218
No, the woman run over was not the manager... Contrary1 Jun 2013 #166
She was not the manager. The busybody alerted the manager. nt brush Jun 2013 #187
No--the woman who was getting in front of the car to try tblue37 Jun 2013 #290
Stupid meddlesome bluenose interfering busybody. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #6
She was the manager of the motel jberryhill Jun 2013 #8
People having sex in a car is not necessarily "prostitution", Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #11
Word n/t JayhawkSD Jun 2013 #16
So, let's see jberryhill Jun 2013 #17
So close to removing some "interfering busybody" genes from the pool. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #29
If you attempt to kidnap or detain a person they have the right to MattBaggins Jun 2013 #219
So let's see, you don't know what the situation was, but you have opted for the gently nuanced ... 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #257
So get the make, model and plate number and be done with it... Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #25
She is well within her rights to call the cops or even yell at them... Pelican Jun 2013 #88
This is the kind of weird logic you see a lot on DU lately jberryhill Jun 2013 #90
Who said it was ok? Pelican Jun 2013 #96
Why was the woman in the SUV wrong by trying to leave. RC Jun 2013 #125
Again with the "trying to kill" her. sibelian Jun 2013 #97
NO SHE WAS NOT! People keep explaining to you that she WAS NOT the manager of the tblue37 Jun 2013 #295
She needs to get a life malaise Jun 2013 #12
She has one jberryhill Jun 2013 #14
According to the original article, she's not the manager petronius Jun 2013 #22
Well that makes it OK then! (nt) Nine Jun 2013 #26
Does it? petronius Jun 2013 #41
Um, no. (nt) Nine Jun 2013 #56
If they got the plate number thucythucy Jun 2013 #95
NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL! NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL! NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL! tblue37 Jun 2013 #297
Driver deliberately hits pedestrian with car; DU sides with driver and attacks victim. Nine Jun 2013 #18
from the article xchrom Jun 2013 #21
also from the article Nine Jun 2013 #24
i tend not to purposely step in front of moving vehicles. xchrom Jun 2013 #32
I missed the part where you're allowed to unlawfully detain someone, too Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #35
The penalty for unlawfully detaining someone is not death jberryhill Jun 2013 #60
If someone is crazy enough to throw themselves on/in front of/under a moving car Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #65
Stupid people must die! jberryhill Jun 2013 #78
It would definitely be a start, instead of sending them to congress... Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #89
Heaven help us, but the world would be a much better place if that were true! IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #133
Can I have that on a shirt? (NT) Heywood J Jun 2013 #210
Good thing such a penalty was not extracted, then. sibelian Jun 2013 #99
You're not allowed to hit someone with a car even if you think they're breaking the law themselves. Nine Jun 2013 #61
And I still want to know if this was a real "hit with car" Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #69
'Minor injuries'. Calling her 'run over' is hyperbole, I think. randome Jun 2013 #81
I'd go further and call it "bullshit" nt. sibelian Jun 2013 #101
"She agreed to arrange her own transportation to the hospital". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #108
Hold on, hold on... Kurovski Jun 2013 #279
In most cases you are right. The exception is if they are attempting to unlawfully detain you. Or stevenleser Jun 2013 #106
The couple could have exited the vehicle and walked away. mathematic Jun 2013 #128
And expose themselves to a crazy person who deliberately stepped in front of their car? stevenleser Jun 2013 #131
So the charge is now unlawful potential detainment? mathematic Jun 2013 #139
Nope, this law is also used against abusive spouses who refuse to allow their spouse to exit through stevenleser Jun 2013 #154
This correlates to the Trayvon Martin case MattBaggins Jun 2013 #222
I hadn't thought of that but excellent point. stevenleser Jun 2013 #239
Not even close. MattBaggins Jun 2013 #221
You claim that "The couple could have exited the vehicle and walked away." Kurovski Jun 2013 #263
Here is the relevant case law. Yes you can, you can even use deadly force without penalty. stevenleser Jun 2013 #113
Come on, everyone! Can't we all just poke fun at each other without bringing statutes into it? randome Jun 2013 #114
My favorite statue is Michelangelo's David. stevenleser Jun 2013 #118
Crap! Usually I'm good at proofreading my own posts! randome Jun 2013 #124
My favorite statue is The Muse in downtown KCMO RC Jun 2013 #134
Now MY favorite, too! randome Jun 2013 #135
Alerting for teh boobz!!!! opiate69 Jun 2013 #145
If you feel someone is attempting to harm you and they will not allow you to MattBaggins Jun 2013 #220
The driver was NOT using force against the "self-appointed crime-stopper." tblue37 Jun 2013 #300
That is immediately what I thought of too, unlawful detention. I think that negates stevenleser Jun 2013 #62
Thre's no indication whatsoever from THAT sibelian Jun 2013 #51
She had every right to call the cops and alert the manager MattBaggins Jun 2013 #223
How could she have even been 100% certain it was sex they wuz a-doin? Kurovski Jun 2013 #234
Or the guy might he been bitten by a poisonous snake. edbermac Jun 2013 #282
Yes. Kurovski Jun 2013 #283
Happened right in front of cops in LA during occupy... nebenaube Jun 2013 #107
And how, exactly, have you been able to ... oldhippie Jun 2013 #179
She placed her car in reverse to get away from the "self-appointed crime-stopper," but was tblue37 Jun 2013 #299
Welcome to the new DU jberryhill Jun 2013 #23
The woman was not the manager Fumesucker Jun 2013 #30
Oh, okay, then kill her jberryhill Jun 2013 #52
I'm more bemused than anything that someone would be such a busybody as to risk their life for it Fumesucker Jun 2013 #58
I think what this woman did constituted an unlawful detention. stevenleser Jun 2013 #70
I agree. Some strange woman is screaming at you, attempting to keep you from leaving, and Nay Jun 2013 #138
And also people who continually and intentionally ...... oldhippie Jun 2013 #183
Yeah--How many times have various people explained to him that the woman was NOT the manager, and tblue37 Jun 2013 #303
She was already trying to kill herself. NutmegYankee Jun 2013 #200
Nobody killed anyone. tabasco Jun 2013 #265
Why do you keep posting that the woman was the manager? She was not. nt brush Jun 2013 #191
What do you mean? Kurovski Jun 2013 #259
Oh, FFS--she was NOT the manager, NOT doing "her job." She was a nosy tblue37 Jun 2013 #301
Yes, I realized that three days ago jberryhill Jun 2013 #302
Wow--love this post! Orrex Jun 2013 #31
If a person with no legal authority to do so were blocking my car... Silent3 Jun 2013 #40
I'm betting that's what happened, too: 'slowly nudge forward'. randome Jun 2013 #44
+1000 Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #54
Indeed. She was committing a crime in most states. Xithras Jun 2013 #83
In Indiana its built into the state Constitution that this is a crime. Article 1 Section 11 of their stevenleser Jun 2013 #98
Hence the problem with Citizens Arrest MattBaggins Jun 2013 #224
She CHOSE to get in the way... Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #46
Woman vies for a Darwin Award; DU thinks it proper. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #132
I run over anyone who has bad ideas jberryhill Jun 2013 #157
Then why is the E! network still in existence? Kurovski Jun 2013 #243
I need a bigger vehicle jberryhill Jun 2013 #250
I see you have a red bull. Kurovski Jun 2013 #252
"not their kind of people," ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #182
a dumb story burnodo Jun 2013 #212
You've hurt my feelings. Kurovski Jun 2013 #260
She did NOT "deliberately pedestrian with a car." tblue37 Jun 2013 #298
Amazing how the outrage is at the victim, not the people who tried to murder her. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #27
"people"? The car had only one driver, and I doubt she was aiming for murder. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #36
Oh, let's not exaggerate! Orrex Jun 2013 #37
I don't think "murder" means what you think it means (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #50
Gas prices in the midwest, that's murder. Kurovski Jun 2013 #256
There are people at DU who'd defend carjackers too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #142
People have a right to jack in their cars. Kurovski Jun 2013 #270
"Tried to murder her." Not really. Or not tried very hard. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #160
Murder? Her suicidal tendencies are already well-established Kurovski Jun 2013 #261
Oh, drivel. sibelian Jun 2013 #169
While I don't side against the victim, she was a nosy idiot who did something very stupid. Dash87 Jun 2013 #213
I am willing to bet one of the partners was a current or ex- of hers ... Myrina Jun 2013 #33
The problem is that it was the people in the car who scored. Orrex Jun 2013 #39
Mind your own business. blueamy66 Jun 2013 #34
Oh, but think of the children! hunter Jun 2013 #43
Not a good choice NiteOwll Jun 2013 #45
And how is she a "victim" if they kept trying to navigate around her Jamastiene Jun 2013 #245
What I really want to know is how Rawstory managed to get that picture. randome Jun 2013 #48
I'm shocked, shocked that a website would do such a thing (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #49
The picture comes from a drone of course - how else did Raw Story get this critical petronius Jun 2013 #67
I don't know exactly where it comes from, but I do know the beginnings of "O" face when I see it. Kurovski Jun 2013 #285
If there is any damage to the SUV, she should be made to pay for it (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #53
Not a good idea all around. Beacool Jun 2013 #55
I doubt the driver ran over her nebenaube Jun 2013 #112
The traditional response of swooning gently onto a fainting couch Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #59
And sex on a fainting couch is preferable to in a car. randome Jun 2013 #75
A BJ in a car is quite acceptable... Bay Boy Jun 2013 #115
As long as you did it on your own property good for you MattBaggins Jun 2013 #226
I'll just remind you that there are no brambles in a car. Kurovski Jun 2013 #272
good grief! so many people here are flippant about flagrant fornication in front of five-year olds! unblock Jun 2013 #64
I guess a school bus full of children might have turned into that parking lot at any time. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #80
I imagine that's one reason one is not allowed to urinate in the parking lot of school LanternWaste Jun 2013 #148
I don't even urinate in public restrooms. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #152
And also... dogs, they should be made to wear pants. Kurovski Jun 2013 #246
oh noes! the sarcasm haz been unleashed! unblock Jun 2013 #153
I bet if you fornicated on his front steps or took a dump on his lawn MattBaggins Jun 2013 #229
Sounds like a new website to me. Kurovski Jun 2013 #255
If someone Tien1985 Jun 2013 #277
They would have likely all turned into vampires and unleashed carnage upon the world. Dash87 Jun 2013 #216
If, for example, a group of thugs came to block in my car Heywood J Jun 2013 #211
"Citizen's Arrest" lol Dash87 Jun 2013 #214
Wait now, was the couple waxing the TOP of the vehicle with their actions? Kurovski Jun 2013 #273
Couldn't they find a more secluded spot other than a well lit parking lot where families would be appleannie1 Jun 2013 #68
When I was in college, the car wasn't always parked, either Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #77
That's a silly question. How can people take good cell phone photos of you in the dark? Kurovski Jun 2013 #276
Stupid... if you report a crime, dont get involved like that davidn3600 Jun 2013 #71
Rather one believes she should have called the police is not the point KingFlorez Jun 2013 #72
She put herself in that position...for a stupid reason davidn3600 Jun 2013 #86
"She put herself in that position" Kurovski Jun 2013 #267
It reallly sounds like they were trying their damnedest to avoid running her over.... aka-chmeee Jun 2013 #123
It's a strange way to make yourself part of a three-way. Kurovski Jun 2013 #274
Let's see......... LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #82
Well... Kurovski Jun 2013 #275
Stupid ass woman madokie Jun 2013 #84
she couldn't just take down the plates and vehicle description magical thyme Jun 2013 #85
LOL...dumbshit. Iggo Jun 2013 #93
Jesus Christ this thread is sad. MadrasT Jun 2013 #94
Everyone here advocating genocide against motel managers everywhere Capt. Obvious Jun 2013 #117
The "victim" / "unlawful detainer" was NOT the motel manager. IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #136
Another person in favor of the Motelocaust Capt. Obvious Jun 2013 #141
Yes, yes -- I support Motelocaust 2013! IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #146
I want a t-shirt Tien1985 Jun 2013 #278
Perhaps Motelocaust is a bit over the top and insensitive MattBaggins Jun 2013 #230
Actually the motel parking lot is quasi-public. Like the commons in a shopping mall. RC Jun 2013 #149
Public places are not for sex MattBaggins Jun 2013 #231
Other people may have a different take on that. RC Jun 2013 #235
What few fringe places are you refering to MattBaggins Jun 2013 #236
I gave this story a little thought... Javaman Jun 2013 #100
I agree with that. But the only good reason to interfere is if someone is in immediate danger. hunter Jun 2013 #143
That's a good point. Javaman Jun 2013 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #147
No problem!!! onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #102
They were under no obligation to wait for police MattBaggins Jun 2013 #232
I used it as an example of an option. onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #240
They weren't coming, they were going.. Historic NY Jun 2013 #103
If some guy wants to sleep with me . . . Brigid Jun 2013 #104
Ha Ha Capt. Obvious Jun 2013 #105
Did not see that one coming! randome Jun 2013 #110
Good thing it wasn't people having sex on a train. n/t L0oniX Jun 2013 #119
I know. What, with all the coupling and un-coupling, who actually has time to pull the train? Kurovski Jun 2013 #287
What did the woman see exactly..and how does she define sex.... tokenlib Jun 2013 #126
Take pictures with your cellphone instead FarCenter Jun 2013 #137
Survival Rule #1: [b]"Do Not Put Yourself In Harms Way Without Good Cause."[/b] IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #140
Corollary. Don't leap in front of a moving SUV because someone had sex (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #156
It proves the Repiglican theory that sex is hurtful DainBramaged Jun 2013 #144
Miss Prunella should have put her eyeballs back in her head Warpy Jun 2013 #155
Maybe the prude should have minded her own damn liberalhistorian Jun 2013 #158
+1. I've got no sympathy for this puritanical harridan. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #305
Aaaah. The Church Lady has resurfaced.. SoCalDem Jun 2013 #159
HAHAHAHA LittleBlue Jun 2013 #163
Likely, prostitution is an ongoing problem in that parking lot. closeupready Jun 2013 #165
which is why prostitution needs to be TAXED AND REGULATED n/t alp227 Jun 2013 #175
Right, but you'd still have 'small business owners' conducting business closeupready Jun 2013 #185
I'll bet her husband was glad to get away. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2013 #178
Have you sever seen a Super-8? If so, you would understand why BlueStreak Jun 2013 #181
Prove they were having sex! DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #190
I read the article and wonder how would I react to a potential car-jacking attempt? haele Jun 2013 #192
How about minding your own fucking business? MrSlayer Jun 2013 #194
If you have sex in a public place it is my business and I will call the cops MattBaggins Jun 2013 #233
Then you are as she is. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #237
So what? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #238
So what? So let's dance! MrSlayer Jun 2013 #251
You had sex in a public school. Um, congrats? Nine Jun 2013 #280
Well, in fairness, I was 16. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #281
Will you also leap in front of the SUV in which said sex occurred? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #258
Why were the police coming at all? treestar Jun 2013 #201
I saw a guy getting his pole waxed in my work parking lot Skittles Jun 2013 #202
... warrprayer Jun 2013 #205
This is why I use Walmart parking lots when having sex in cars. nt Incitatus Jun 2013 #206
Walmart practically demands that you have sex in their parking lots. Kurovski Jun 2013 #242
Focus on the family Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #207
Oh, she had her eye on daddy alright. Kurovski Jun 2013 #253
If this car is a rockin', don't come knockin'. roamer65 Jun 2013 #208
If this Subaru's a movin', your dodgin's behoovin'. Kurovski Jun 2013 #254
STUPID on all sides! nt Raine Jun 2013 #209
Really? SMH Mr Dixon Jun 2013 #228
Lol, serves her right. Jamastiene Jun 2013 #241
... Kurovski Jun 2013 #247
If this thread doesn't get a DUzy, I want you to run me over. Kurovski Jun 2013 #271
I have no sympathy for her shawn703 Jun 2013 #284
The people in the SUV were pathetic and disgusting. But the woman that was hit bluestate10 Jun 2013 #289
Was the "woman" in the car a minor? apples and oranges Jun 2013 #296
She should have joined in rightsideout Jun 2013 #304
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. It was her business
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:18 AM
Jun 2013

That "woman" was the manager of the motel. Is the parking lot not her business? Because it seems that someone else was making her parking lot their business.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
38. No, she was NOT the manager. She ALERTED the manager.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jun 2013

Who then observed and also nearly got run over while waiting for the cops.

Try slowing down and reading once or twice before you jump all over a thread with inaccurate information. Thanks.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
66. I'm going to out on a limb here.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:59 AM
Jun 2013

Do you work at a Super 8?

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[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
76. Lol - I almost did... DUzy!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:06 AM
Jun 2013

I had a power outage yesterday and was just packing up to move the office to a hotel room when it came back on.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
129. The story says she kept stepping in front of the vehicle.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:20 PM
Jun 2013

The only one who appears to have been trying to kill her was HER.

Technically, by attempting to stop someone from leaving, she could be up on some kind of charges herself.

Easiest solution would have been to just get the license plate, and stay out of the road.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
170. What utter balderdash, what is this "try to kill" crap?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jun 2013

Are you secretly a Fox News anchor or something?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
184. No, the TITLE of article says she was "run over" and then doesn't back it up in the text.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013

In fact, the text says nothing of the kind:

"suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the driver’s side"

In other words, driving PAST the "victim" to get by her. It is crystal clear from the text of the article that the driver was attempting to leave. That's not attempted murder. That's attempted leaving which is what the stupid woman wanted in the first place but then purposefully thwarted, presumably so she could have a sweet moment of personal drama.

But I suppose that doesn't provide you with any kind of McGuffin to emote over, does it?

Do you like the idea of people being prison?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
109. Is there something wrong with having sex?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jun 2013

I know in Saudi Arabia the couple probably would have been put to death, but this is America.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
116. You didn't answer my question. Is there something so wrong with sex that
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jun 2013

this woman, who must have taken some time to figure out that this is what the couple were doing, called the police to try to stop them. As for YOUR question, had she minded her own business, not jumped in front of a moving car which was trying to avoid, no doubt thinking she was some lunatic, no one would have been hit at all. SHE is the reason she was hit and yes, there is something wrong with jumping in front of a moving a car.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
121. The article is not specific to what was going on
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jun 2013

I can recall when I was caught in a parking lot late at night, the police asked my date separately from me whether she was there of her own volition.

There is nothing wrong with sex. There is something wrong with rape, prostitution, and other things that might have been going on in that car.

There is also a general problem with some things that go on in the parking lots of cheap motels which attract violent crime.

We don't know what the story was with those people in the car.

It is, however, possible for more than one person in a story to do something wrong.

The only person in this story who engaged in violent behavior was the driver of the car.

But I'll keep it in mind the next time someone decides that they want to drive over a protestor blocking their vehicle.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
127. Where in the story does it say that the couple deliberately tried to run over the woman?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jun 2013

Seems they were trying to avoid what looked like a raving lunatic jumping in front of their car.

There are several things that might be going on when you see a strange, angry female jumping in front of your car.

1) It could be an armed robber.

2) It could be someone so drunk they don't know what they are doing.

3) It could be a person trying to use your car to commit suicide.

4) It could be someone on drugs who is dangerous.

Just sticking with what is presented in the story, the woman is responsible for the accident. They tried to avoid her. But seeing a couple having sex appears to have caused her to lose all sense of reason, according to the story as of now. I am going to speculate about things that are not part of the report.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
189. Obviously the DRIVER thought there was something wrong with having sex -
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jun 2013

or she would not have been so much in a hurry to leave.

I would certainly not have tried to stand in the path of a car - and I would not have called the police on the couple. However, when you are operating a car, you can not risk hitting someone - even if they are blocking your egress. The woman was not physically threatening her.

Nothing says that she jumped into the path of a moving car.

The woman, who got hit, was incredibly stupid -- but, so was the woman driving the car. In a way, the woman she hit accomplished what she wanted - I assume that the entire town is likely to learn that the couple had sex in the car. The down side is that many may (and should) think her actions were strange.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
196. She was brushed aside by the side of the car. Not 'run over' as the erroneous title states.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:21 PM
Jun 2013

So most likely she was hit by the side view mirror by deliberately getting too close to a moving vehicle.

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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
197. The driver was accosted by a seemingly disturbed individual who jumped in front of the
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:20 PM
Jun 2013

car gesticulating and yelling at them. If that happened to me I would definitely try to get out of there as fast as possible. And if the strange person then jumped in front of the car as it was moving, I would think I was being assaulted by a deranged, possibly armed individual, a drug addict or drunk, but definitely dangerous.

I don't think I would care much about the sex part since I view sex to be quite normal, even in cars. So it wouldn't occur to me to run out of SHAME. I would definitely flee a strange, seemingly deranged, screaming, gesticulating individual jumping in front of my car though.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
198. I'm marking this day in red on my calendar.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jun 2013

Who would have thought we would be in agreement on something?



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ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
180. Not when a person jumps in front of your car.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

However, there is something wrong with trying to keep good people confined to parking lot. That is fucking creepy behavior.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
150. there is nothing wrong with having sex. the woman is a complete idiot
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:44 PM
Jun 2013

I hope the couple are not charged for her stupidity.

brush

(53,782 posts)
186. Agreed!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jun 2013

What a busybody. She wanted to stop them from having sex. They stopped and tried to leave. She should have been satisfied, but no, maybe she wanted a pat on the back from the police as they hauled away the couple?

Maybe she wanted obedience to her will from them?

Who knows, whatever it was but the continued stepping in front of a car trying to avoid running over her was crazy.

Such foolishness should never be rewarded. I hope the couple didn't get in trouble over the busybody not minding her own business.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
164. If there was prostitution ongoing in that parking lot, then yes,
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:18 PM
Jun 2013

that brings in all other kinds of quality-of-life issues.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
167. But that is just speculation. Prostitution could be going on anywhere, inside the motel
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jun 2013

eg, but we are not supposed to be spying on people 'just in case, maybe, they are engaging in prostitution'. At least I hope not. All we know from the story is that a couple was having sex in a car, something that has been going on since cars were invented, and for the most part, it isn't generally prostitution.

And I am of the opinion that prostitution should be legal anyhow. I prefer that the police not waste their time harassing people making love, even if it is a car.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
168. Would you object if prostitutes turned tricks in your driveway?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jun 2013

Assuming you have a driveway, or other kind of private property, of course.

Point being, nobody has the right to trespass on other's private property.

I don't think the issue of the merits of legalizing prostitution is in play here; rather, it is, in fact, illegal to engage in prostitution in the state of Indiana.

Further, even if it wasn't prostitution, performing sex acts in view of anyone and everyone in a parking lot where you may have a room is behavior which will get you booted pronto. I hardly think the Four Seasons is going to be okay with it even if you are a guest of the hotel.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
264. Indecent exposure comes to mind
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jun 2013

Granted it was late at night, but it's not something I'd want children exposed to.

There's a reason for the cliche "get a room".

I live in a rough part of town and I've had to chase people out of my driveway, but that's usually prostitution related.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
269. Well, if someone is in a private driveway engaged in prostitution, that is an entirely different
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jun 2013

story.

But in this case, the parking lot was a motel parking lot, not a private home. And there is no indication that there was prostitution involved. People will make love in cars, they always have. Personally I have never witnessed people making love in a car, other than, well, US lol, which doesn't mean I didn't pass by someone's car where they were engaged in sex, I just don't look into other people's windows or cars unless something draws my attention. And people kissing or fondling in a car in a public parking lot, a mall, a motel etc wouldn't be of much interest to me unless it looked like someone was in trouble.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
130. Only the prudish nanny-staters would ever conceive of such an impracticable concept such as
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

Much as if someone were defecating in that same motel parking lot. As it too certainly wouldn't hurt anyone, we should simply simply shrug it off and, as you so eloquently stated "myob"

And of course, only the prudish nanny-staters would ever conceive of such an impracticable concept such as "a right place and a right time..."

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
268. Neither is it a leap of logic to state that said defacator is an animal-lover.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jun 2013

Merely feeding the local wildlife with a nutritious, homemade loaf produced in nature's own artisan bakery.

While squatting, the rodent-cake maker perhaps contemplates what events in life might lead one to equate the act of making love to making a doody-bomb.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
5. Why does she care if they were doing that???
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jun 2013

I hate to say she deserved it, but were they really hurting anything? If they were in a SUV I'm sure she probably couldn't see much anyways, and most likely it would be over in 2 minutes. Geez, really people need to just mind their own business.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. Important clue here
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:14 AM
Jun 2013

"nearly striking the manager"

The "woman" was apparently the manager of the hotel, and there may have been more to it than just this couple having sex in the car.

Why does a couple have sex in a car in a motel parking lot? A couple of things come to mind.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
10. I think there's 100% consensus that standing in front of a moving vehicle is a really bad idea.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:18 AM
Jun 2013

The rest is in the details.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. Attempted vehicular homicide is a pretty bad idea too
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jun 2013

Around here, if the police find that sort of thing going on in motel parking lots, they fine the motels.

You want to side with an attempted murderer in a story where the facts are muddled, go right ahead.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
28. 'Minor injuries'. Doubt they were trying to murder her.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jun 2013

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Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
262. The murderous couple were physically spent from their lovemaking,
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

and could make only the weakest effort at homicide. I'm sure they were hoping to destroy the one witness to their filthy behavior.

Ironically, their vigorous open-air sha-banging is the only thing that saved the woman's life.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
286. "Nearly striking" is "trying to kill?" You're trying way
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jun 2013

too hard here. Miss Busypants tried to effect a morality arrest and fell down after repeatedly stepping in front of a car that was trying to drive around her idiotic ass.

Perhaps a little sense was knocked into her, eh?

thucythucy

(8,066 posts)
91. If the manager was standing behind the vehicle,
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jun 2013

she could have taken the license plate number. No need to endanger herself or anyone else by trying to detain someone in a moving vehicle.

Lucky for all concerned no one in this scenario produced a gun.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
291. She WASN'T the manager. The manager was behind the car. The busybody trying to stop the car
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jun 2013

was another person altogether, one who kept stepping in front of the car. Two people, not one were outside the car. The one trying to play vice cop was not the manager.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
292. She WASN'T the manager. The manager was behind the car. The busybody trying to stop the car
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:39 PM
Jun 2013

was another person altogether, one who kept stepping in front of the car. Two people, not one were outside the car. The one trying to play vice cop was not the manager.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
173. Yes it is. But how is that relevant to this situation? The couple saw a crazy person
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jun 2013

jumping in front of their car as they drove out of the parking lot, having had a little fun before doing so. They backed up away from her, according to the story and then moved forward assuming they had a clear way out. Instead this apparently, from their pov, crazy lunatic jumped in front of them again.

So what does attempted vehicular homicide have to do with this situation?

Looks more like attempted vehicular suicide to me.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
177. This may come as a shock to you
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jun 2013

But you don't have a right to intentionally run people over with your car.

Even if they are crazy and standing in front of it.

brush

(53,782 posts)
188. You know, you're starting to sound a little crazy yourself by continually defending an idiot. nt
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:41 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:16 PM - Edit history (1)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
193. Who initiated violence?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jun 2013

Who was injured in any of this?

Yes, some people are idiots.

50% of the population is below average intelligence.

So what?

Idiots deserve to be run over by cars, is that it.

Hey, let's go beat up some stupid people.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #193)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
199. No, it's not a shock to me at all. I asked you why you are talking about someone
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jun 2013

deliberately running someone down and how it is relevant to THIS story. Where does it say the driver tried to run anyone down? It says the opposite, it says the apparently deranged individual jumped in front of a moving car, not once but twice. It may be a shock to you to learn that people should not jump in front of moving cars no matter how much sex offends them.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
288. Just the opposite
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jun 2013

You would be Zimmerman with your belief you can detain anyone you please and they must comply

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
42. Still, who cares? Maybe if more people had sex in cars, they could relax more and the world
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:42 AM
Jun 2013

would be a more mellow place.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
92. PSA: This is not recommended if one of the participants is driving the car at the time.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:23 AM
Jun 2013

Reference: The World According to Garp (the book).

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
151. They had finished when she attempted to run down the person.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jun 2013

But if people are parked in a semi-secluded area and not being inappropriate about it, just let them have their business.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
161. Oh, I agree with "Live and Let Live". Just adding my 2 cents worth of general snarkiness.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jun 2013

(It's in my contract.)

Personally, I tend to avoid any vehicle that has fogged-up windows. Or a bumper sticker that says "If this van's rockin', don't bother knockin'". And especially if it's next to a bumper sticker that says "This vehicle protected by Smith & Wesson".

But I also make it a point not to stand in front of, or behind, any moving vehicles.

All in all, I think there's a whole lot of dumb to be shared among all the participants in this little slice of life.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
225. Oh, I have....
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:33 AM
Jun 2013

but we definitely have more chance of being seen in our driveway than in some secluded part of a park or parked behind a building or something.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
47. The manager was standing behind the SUV
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jun 2013
At that point, the female driver began screaming at the self-appointed crime stopper “and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the driver’s side.”


The woman was just a busybody.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
63. Still not reading
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jun 2013

Or is it comprehension you have a problem with?

At that point, the female driver began screaming at the self-appointed crime stopper “and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the driver’s side.”

The manager was behind the vehicle, the self appointed crime stopper was in the front of it...but when you fail to put the first part of the sentence "and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager..." you tend to lose thwe context.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
120. Why would anyone care where a couple decides to have sex? Judging by the information
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jun 2013

provided that's all that was going on. Your speculating that something else must have been going confirms that even you agree that if the story is accurate, the informer had not logical reason for calling the cops.

Maybe they are in love?? That's all I can think of?



'OMG, someone is having sex in a car'.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
122. Who committed an act of violence?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jun 2013

You side with violence.

I side with non-violence.

Different philosophies, I suppose.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
248. That's just silly
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:08 AM
Jun 2013

The driver of the car initiated violence in attempting to use the car as a weapon.

I guess it is okay with you when protesters in Turkey are run over with vehicles because they won't get out of the street.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
294. The driver was just trying to get away; she was NOT "attempting to use the car as a weapon."
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jun 2013

She was attempting to use the car as a vehicle in order to get away from the Church Lady.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
293. Trying to drive away from a person acting bizarre and trying to
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

detain you is NOT an "act of violence." If I am running away from you and you get in front of me, and I then accidentally knock you down, I have not "initiated an act of violence," even if you got hurt by being knocked down by my running body. Same with the car. The driver was not trying to hit the busybody Church Lady. The driver was trying NOY to hit her. That is not an act of violence. (It was an attempt to escape from a scary person who was trying to commit unlawful imprisonment.)

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
218. Why would anyone care where people have sex?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:09 AM
Jun 2013

Can I go into the middle of Walmart and start masturbating?

You can have any kind of wild and crazy kinky sex you want... on your own property or with permission of the owner.

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
166. No, the woman run over was not the manager...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

From the local news:

"...The woman called the police and the motel’s manager. While waiting for police to arrive, both she and the manager observed the SUV leave its parking spot and move toward an exit."

Sometimes when the stories are repeated, clarity gets lost.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130604/NEWS02/306040010/IMPD-Woman-struck-by-vehicle-after-snitching-couple-having-public-sex?nclick_check=1

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
290. No--the woman who was getting in front of the car to try
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jun 2013

to keep them from leaving was not the manager!

Read this paragraph more carefully:


[font color = "blue"]At that point, the female driver began screaming at the self-appointed crime stopper "and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the driver’s side.”[/font]


The "self-appointed crime-stopper" was the Church Lady busybody who called the cops. She was in front of the car. The manager was another person altogether. She was behind the car. The busybody was not the manager.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. She was the manager of the motel
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:17 AM
Jun 2013

So, if a pimp decides that his prostitutes are going to use the parking lot of that business for their business, then the manager is a "stupid meddlesome bluenose interfering busybody".

I don't know the situation at this particular cheap motel, but there has been a crackdown on motel operators who allow prostitution on their premises around some parts.

The way the story is written, she is a random woman, and only a passing mention of her being the manager of the motel.

So, a motel operator is "meddlesome" for not allowing prostitution in the parking lot?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. People having sex in a car is not necessarily "prostitution",
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:19 AM
Jun 2013

and I am confident many DUers will attest to this.

If she was really that offended, sure, call the cops and give them the plate number but DON'T THROW YOURSELF IN FRONT OF THE FUCKING SUV, you moron!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. So, let's see
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:23 AM
Jun 2013

You don't know what the situation was, but you side with the attempted murderer in the story.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. So close to removing some "interfering busybody" genes from the pool.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jun 2013

She was definitely a potential Darwin Award candidate.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
219. If you attempt to kidnap or detain a person they have the right to
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:13 AM
Jun 2013

try to escape. If you interfere with that attempt you are at fault if you are injured.

You seem to have difficulty with this... You may not illegally detain other people.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
257. So let's see, you don't know what the situation was, but you have opted for the gently nuanced ...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jun 2013

descriptor "attempted murderer". Fuck iron, you need irony supplements in your multi-vitamin.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
25. So get the make, model and plate number and be done with it...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:31 AM
Jun 2013

If it's "just sex", standing in front of a moving vehicle in an attempt to stop them is beyond moronic...If the manager is alleging rape, pederasty or hearing cries of "help!", then that is a different story...

It doesn't necessarily have to be pimp/whore/john related, without knowing more about the story...

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
88. She is well within her rights to call the cops or even yell at them...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:17 AM
Jun 2013

She, as a civilian, has zero authority, moral or legal, to try to detain them. Zero...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
90. This is the kind of weird logic you see a lot on DU lately
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jun 2013

Was my Dad the only person ever who said "two wrongs don't make a right"?

Who was injured in this story?

You see, "someone doing something wrong" does not make it okay to try to kill them.
 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
96. Who said it was ok?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jun 2013

The woman was wrong, the driver of the car was wrong....

Big buckets of wrong to go around.

As you can see throughout this thread though , there is quite a bit of psychological pleasure to be had at the thought of Mrs. Grundy receiving her "comeuppance."

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
125. Why was the woman in the SUV wrong by trying to leave.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jun 2013

She had every right to leave. The women trying to stop her were wrong.
Why do so many on DU think everyone is guilty of something, just by being in a news story?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
97. Again with the "trying to kill" her.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jun 2013

uh?

Also, who cares whether two people have sex in a car? The appopriate thing is to tell them to bugger off. She threatens cops, eek they think, then they start scarpering, which is what she wanted but it's NOT ENOUGH! THEY NEED TO HAVE "LEARNED" their "LESSON"!

Drivel.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
295. NO SHE WAS NOT! People keep explaining to you that she WAS NOT the manager of the
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jun 2013

motel. We keep quoting the relevant paragraph from the article to show you that she WAS NOT the manager of the motel. Yet you keep claiming over and over again that she was the manager of the motel.

thucythucy

(8,066 posts)
95. If they got the plate number
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jun 2013

what was the point of trying to detain "the suspects?"

It's just fortunate for all concerned nobody produced a gun.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
297. NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL! NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL! NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

The woman who was trying to stop them WAS NOT THE MANAGER OF THE MOTEL!!!

Nine

(1,741 posts)
18. Driver deliberately hits pedestrian with car; DU sides with driver and attacks victim.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:24 AM
Jun 2013

I get it. You think the woman was a busybody. Explain to me while that's a bigger outrage than the fact that the driver of the car decided to use it as a weapon. Man, when DU decides someone is "not their kind of people," apparently they don't care what happens to that person.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
21. from the article
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jun 2013

“The victim stepped in front of the vehicle and advised the female driver that she was not allowed to leave until the police arrived,” the report said. “The vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.”

Nine

(1,741 posts)
24. also from the article
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:29 AM
Jun 2013
At that point, the female driver began screaming at the self-appointed crime stopper “and suddenly placed the SUV in reverse, nearly striking the manager before pulling forward and running into the victim on the driver’s side.”


You're not allowed to deliberately run someone over just because they're blocking your car.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
32. i tend not to purposely step in front of moving vehicles.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013

call the police with the plate # and leave it at that.

there was no reason to get all vigilante - put her life at risk and who knows what else.

just plain stupid.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
35. I missed the part where you're allowed to unlawfully detain someone, too
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jun 2013

"You're not leaving this parking lot?" Yeah, right -- I've got eight cylinders and 350 horses that say I am...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
65. If someone is crazy enough to throw themselves on/in front of/under a moving car
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jun 2013

over such a MINOR issue, then there's not much else to say about them...

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
133. Heaven help us, but the world would be a much better place if that were true!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jun 2013

Would there even be a Republican party anymore?

Nine

(1,741 posts)
61. You're not allowed to hit someone with a car even if you think they're breaking the law themselves.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jun 2013

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
69. And I still want to know if this was a real "hit with car"
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:03 AM
Jun 2013

as opposed to brush, nudge, sideswipe, or maybe some toes got run over for a split second...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
81. 'Minor injuries'. Calling her 'run over' is hyperbole, I think.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jun 2013

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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
108. "She agreed to arrange her own transportation to the hospital".
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

So she wasn't exactly a bloody, semi-conscious mess.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
279. Hold on, hold on...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jun 2013

she still might have been accurately considered a "bloody, semi-conscious mess" in England.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
106. In most cases you are right. The exception is if they are attempting to unlawfully detain you. Or
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jun 2013

kidnap you.

Your rights to not be assaulted go out the window if you attempt to unlawfully detain or kidnap someone. They have the right to assault you to escape. I'm betting these two people suffer no consequences for that reason.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
128. The couple could have exited the vehicle and walked away.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

I'm not seeing the unlawful detention. If it was a car double parked blocking them in, would they have the right to smash into that car to clear the way? I seriously doubt it but I'm willing to be surprised. Regardless, this would be one step further, responding to a property crime with an assault.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
131. And expose themselves to a crazy person who deliberately stepped in front of their car?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

No way, and the courts in Indiana will definitely find that these folks did nothing wrong. They have already ruled that people can use deadly force against police who try to detain people but who do not have all their ducks in a row.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
139. So the charge is now unlawful potential detainment?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jun 2013

I've read through the bits of case law and statutes you've posted and it all seems to be about responding to detention or assaults. Having your car blocked is not detention, since you are free to leave your car behind. Being held by force or the threat of force IS detention and neither of those apply here.

Can you find any case that more closely matches what happened here? Either in Indiana or anywhere else? If you have a link to the statutes, maybe you can post the definition of detention. I think that might help clear things up.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
154. Nope, this law is also used against abusive spouses who refuse to allow their spouse to exit through
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jun 2013

the door of a dwelling.

The unlawfully detained spouse could climb out a window, particularly if it is on the first floor. But the person preventing you from access to the door is still guilty of unlawful detention and all that comes along with that, including the right to assault them to get out.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
222. This correlates to the Trayvon Martin case
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:23 AM
Jun 2013

People thinking they are Rambo and attempting a citizens arrest and thinking they have the right to detain, kidnap and falsely imprison other people.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
239. I hadn't thought of that but excellent point.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jun 2013

Not only do regular citizens not have the right to do that, and force is justified against them if they try, Indiana's supreme court recently decided that if police try to detain you without a warrant or probable cause, deadly force is justified to use against them as well.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
263. You claim that "The couple could have exited the vehicle and walked away."
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013

But in that statement you are not accounting for the possible post-coitus shame at any stains that might have made an appearance on the couples' apparel. You also fail to account for any residual and legally unmanageable tumescence.

Perverts often are swamped by remorse and guilt after the fact, and this may have influenced their behavior.

Especially if they are Catholic, or are coming down off of a Mojito and Budweiser high.

In which case, and as legal council I recommend 1,000 mg of B12 and amounts of magnesium as yet uncalculated.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
113. Here is the relevant case law. Yes you can, you can even use deadly force without penalty.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jun 2013
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

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randome

(34,845 posts)
114. Come on, everyone! Can't we all just poke fun at each other without bringing statutes into it?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jun 2013

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randome

(34,845 posts)
124. Crap! Usually I'm good at proofreading my own posts!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jun 2013

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RC

(25,592 posts)
134. My favorite statue is The Muse in downtown KCMO
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jun 2013


Actually, it is a fountain, but who's noticing?
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
135. Now MY favorite, too!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

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MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
220. If you feel someone is attempting to harm you and they will not allow you to
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:19 AM
Jun 2013

escape you have the right to self defense.

The lady threw herself in front of a car that was clearly trying to leave what the driver may have felt was a potentially dangerous situation. Force was justified.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
300. The driver was NOT using force against the "self-appointed crime-stopper."
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jun 2013

The driver was merely trying to leave. The other woman kept stepping in front of the car, but the driver was trying to avoid hitting the woman, trying to go around her, so she was NOT using force against her.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
62. That is immediately what I thought of too, unlawful detention. I think that negates
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jun 2013

what happened to her.

You are allowed to assault someone who has kidnapped or unlawfully detained you in order to escape.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
51. Thre's no indication whatsoever from THAT
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jun 2013

that the driver was "deliberately" running someone over. If the silly moo wants to play cops and robbers she should apply like everyone else.

SEX! SEX! HIDEOUS SEX! OMG! SEX! ARGGGGH!!! SEX!!! SEX! JESUS! SEX! IN A CAR!!!! SCARY, FREAKY CAR SEX!!! etc.

What exactly was stopping her just going up and tapping on the windscreen and telling them to cut it out and get a room? Calling the cops, FFS... for sex in a CAR? Are you kidding me? Nah, cops are the way to go. Maximal emotional disturbance.

The whole thing's about her and her silly perceptions of HERSELF.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
223. She had every right to call the cops and alert the manager
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:26 AM
Jun 2013

She had no right to unlawfully attempt to detain them when they tried to leave.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
234. How could she have even been 100% certain it was sex they wuz a-doin?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:52 AM
Jun 2013

People can get pretty frisky when the start speaking in tongues. Or maybe they were vacuuming the carpet.

edbermac

(15,940 posts)
282. Or the guy might he been bitten by a poisonous snake.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jun 2013

And she was just trying to suck out the venom.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
283. Yes.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:00 PM
Jun 2013

Any number of untoward and perhaps inauspicious social disasters could have taken place.

Who hasn't been misunderstood when found in raspberry leather chaps and a bullet bra in the synagogue parking lot?

Even events seemingly inspired by animated series can occur.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
179. And how, exactly, have you been able to ...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

... divine "intent" from the article?

You're not allowed to deliberately run someone over just because they're blocking your car.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
299. She placed her car in reverse to get away from the "self-appointed crime-stopper," but was
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jun 2013

apparently unaware of the other person (the manager) standing behind the SUV. She didn't hit the manager, but she nearly did when she put the car into reverse to try to get away from the scary Church Lady who was trying to unlawfully detain her.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
23. Welcome to the new DU
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jun 2013


Yes, the woman was injured by someone who believed they had the right to use deadly force against her while she was doing her job of managing the motel. Of course she will be attacked on DU.

Cheap motels in some areas attract a certain amount of nuisance activity and in some places face stiff fines for allowing it on the premises.

Who knows what her boss told her, but being injured by someone who tries to kill you is okay, as long as it was someone who just had sex.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
30. The woman was not the manager
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013

From a link upthread.

The woman called the police and the motel’s manager. While waiting for police to arrive, both she and the manager observed the SUV leave its parking spot and move toward an exit.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
58. I'm more bemused than anything that someone would be such a busybody as to risk their life for it
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:53 AM
Jun 2013

They already had the tag number of the vehicle, it wasn't like the people couldn't be found.

I'm sure the police would have got right on it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
70. I think what this woman did constituted an unlawful detention.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jun 2013

Article 1, Section 11 of the Indiana state Constitution says:

Section 11. The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable search or seizure,
shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable
cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing
the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized.
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If someone attempts to unlawfully detain or kidnap you, you have the right to assault them in an attempt to escape. I am going to bet that these two in the car, ahem, get off.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
138. I agree. Some strange woman is screaming at you, attempting to keep you from leaving, and
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

you aren't allowed to try to escape this nutbag? Unbelievable. From the news report, I'd say the driver did everything she could to avoid badly injuring the nutbag, but FFS, anyone upthread who suggested that the driver and her companion GET OUT OF THE CAR and flee on foot has lost their marbles. You NEVER get out of your car to confront a nut! Ever!

The judge will take one look at this and throw it out, and hopefully tell the nutbag to let the effin' police handle it!

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
303. Yeah--How many times have various people explained to him that the woman was NOT the manager, and
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jun 2013

that the driver was NOT deliberately trying to kill her, initiate violence, or assault her with a deadly weapon, but trying NOT to hit her, but rather to go around her, not trying to initiate violence, but merely trying to get away. jberryhill doesn't want to take mere facts into consideration. He continues to make all of those clearly false claims, and continues to claim that she was the manager and just "doing her job."

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
200. She was already trying to kill herself.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jun 2013

Repeatedly stepping in front of a moving vehicle = suicide attempt.

Guess it failed for her. Fucking busybodies...

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
259. What do you mean?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

She was managing to groove on a boss love-thang.

And she was at the motel.

She was a manager at the motel.

What part of "repetition makes reality" do you not understand? God! Why must I explain everything to you DUers?!

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
301. Oh, FFS--she was NOT the manager, NOT doing "her job." She was a nosy
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jun 2013

busybody who was trying to unlawfully detain the couple. The Driver did NOT try to use deadly force against her. The driver tried TO GO AROUND HER in order to get away. ANd if the idiot had not kept getting in front of the SUV as the drier tried to go around her, she would not have been hit.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
302. Yes, I realized that three days ago
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jun 2013

It is always good to know all of the circumstances in which the use of deadly force is justified.

That way, one can always take advantage when the opportunity presents itself.

Silent3

(15,217 posts)
40. If a person with no legal authority to do so were blocking my car...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:40 AM
Jun 2013

...I wouldn't ram into them, of course, but if an exchange of words failed to clear my path I would slowly nudge forward and, if they still won't move, as carefully as possible I will start pushing them out of the way with my car.

I don't accept that just because someone decides to be obnoxious about blocking me that they gain an inviolable right not to be touched even gently by my moving car. Unless an idiot lays down on the ground in front of my tires, their life is hardly going to be in peril. If something does go wrong anyway, despite me being as careful as possible, it's not my fault that someone else insisted on creating their own risky situation.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
44. I'm betting that's what happened, too: 'slowly nudge forward'.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:42 AM
Jun 2013

Since only 'minor injuries' are reported, it's ridiculous for the article to say 'run over' and it's ridiculous for anyone to claim 'attempted murder'.

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
54. +1000
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:50 AM
Jun 2013

The clowns throwing "murder" and "attempted murder" around this thread win today's "Complete Loss of Perspective" award for hyperbole, unless there is a lot more to this story that I don't know...

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
83. Indeed. She was committing a crime in most states.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jun 2013

You can't just detain someone because you feel like it. In most states, you can't detain ANYONE unless you're making a citizens arrest, and those generally only apply to felonies. What she was doing may have risen to the level of false imprisonment.

You may be unhappy about a law being broken on your property, but your unhappiness doesn't give you the right to perform another crime to bring the people to "justice". If she'd used her head, she would have known that her legal rights limited her to simply recording the description of the people and vehicle plates.

And yes, if someone is illegally detaining you, you DO have the right to resist violently to gain your freedom. There is no legal obligation to submit to someone who is holding you prisoner without legal basis. The only real question here will be whether the force used was commensurate with the threat. It clearly wasn't, but I seriously doubt the driver will see any serious prison time. The driver has a number of potential defenses, most of which would wipe out any serious attempts to imprison them.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
98. In Indiana its built into the state Constitution that this is a crime. Article 1 Section 11 of their
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jun 2013

state constitution reads:

Section 11. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable search or seizure,
shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing
the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized.
-------------------------------------------------------------

This would absolutely be an unlawful detention.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
224. Hence the problem with Citizens Arrest
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jun 2013

If you try to detain me in any way I will resist you.

Citizens Arrest.. People really need to be disavowed of that notion.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
46. She CHOSE to get in the way...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jun 2013

Can I at least ask why? on the grand scale of criminal severity, consensual sex in a semi-public place ranks pretty low...

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
132. Woman vies for a Darwin Award; DU thinks it proper.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:22 PM
Jun 2013

Explain to me how putting yourself in danger for no good purpose or reason is a good idea.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
182. "not their kind of people,"
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:03 PM
Jun 2013

Yes, people who try to confine good people are not our kind of people.

tblue37

(65,383 posts)
298. She did NOT "deliberately pedestrian with a car."
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jun 2013

She tried to avoid hitting the pedestrian with the car, but the pedestrian kept hopping in front of the moving car as the driver tried to maneuver around her. How on earth do you and jberryhill come up with this "deliberate" crap and this "attempted murder" and "initiating violence" crap?

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
37. Oh, let's not exaggerate!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jun 2013

All they tried to do was crush her to death with their vehicle, like that's a crime.


ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
142. There are people at DU who'd defend carjackers too
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

"Unless you roll down your window and politely ask 'How can I help you?', you have no idea what that screaming person blocking your car wants. I often step out of my vehicle, open the passenger door, and ask if they'd like a seat."

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
270. People have a right to jack in their cars.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jun 2013

I thought we covered this.

And I think we know how to help them.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
160. "Tried to murder her." Not really. Or not tried very hard.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jun 2013

No outrage here, but maybe stupid, busy-body lady will think twice next time she wants to play vice cop.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
261. Murder? Her suicidal tendencies are already well-established
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jun 2013

by her proclivity to wander motel parking lots while distracted.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
213. While I don't side against the victim, she was a nosy idiot who did something very stupid.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:54 AM
Jun 2013

Just let the police handle things like this. It was like she was trying to play cop and got run over as a result.

I could see stepping in if someone was getting hurt, but it was just two people doing it in a car. I wouldn't even call the police for that.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
33. I am willing to bet one of the partners was a current or ex- of hers ...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jun 2013

Nothing like a woman scored.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
39. The problem is that it was the people in the car who scored.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jun 2013

I suspect that you had an untimely typo there.

 

blueamy66

(6,795 posts)
34. Mind your own business.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jun 2013

Even if they were having sex in her hotel parking lot, who cares? Even if it was prostitution, who cares? It should be legalized anyway.

Who was it hurting?

I wouldn't care enough to put my body in front of a car, repeatedly.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
43. Oh, but think of the children!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:42 AM
Jun 2013

When I don't want to see something like that, I don't look.

If the woman who got run over is married to one of the people in the SUV, maybe I get it.

If it's not something like that, then she's just crazy voyeur stalker lady.

I'm surprised the police didn't say "Thank you for your call," and advise her to remove herself from the situation.

I doubt our police even come out for such calls.

They'd have told her to file an incident report on their web site, or in person at the police station.


NiteOwll

(191 posts)
45. Not a good choice
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:42 AM
Jun 2013

“The vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.”

Maybe she was trying to get run over? Mental illness? Death wish? Didn't understand that vehicles can hurt people?

If an SUV is clearly trying to get around me, I move. Easy decision. I will always lose that battle.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
245. And how is she a "victim" if they kept trying to navigate around her
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jun 2013

and she kept stepping in front of the SUV? She is hardly a victim when she repeatedly kept stepping in front of them. Death wish sounds more like it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
48. What I really want to know is how Rawstory managed to get that picture.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jun 2013

This is a crappy article designed to get the Internet buzzing with the added benefit of a whole lot more traffic at RawStory.

What were this woman's 'minor injuries'? Her eyes burning at having seen something unwholesome?

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petronius

(26,602 posts)
67. The picture comes from a drone of course - how else did Raw Story get this critical
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jun 2013

breaking news in front of our eyeballs so quickly?

(It's sourced in the caption: stock photo from some vendor.)

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
285. I don't know exactly where it comes from, but I do know the beginnings of "O" face when I see it.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:04 PM
Jun 2013

She looks pleasantly surprised, at minimum.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
55. Not a good idea all around.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jun 2013

The couple should have gotten a room and done whatever they wanted in private. The woman shouldn't have stood in front of their car. Better safe than sorry. Then again, the driver shouldn't have ran her over.

Too many stupid people in the world.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
59. The traditional response of swooning gently onto a fainting couch
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jun 2013

is vastly preferable to throwing oneself in front of a moving SUV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fainting_couch



 

randome

(34,845 posts)
75. And sex on a fainting couch is preferable to in a car.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:06 AM
Jun 2013

Actually, just about anywhere is better than in a car.

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Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
115. A BJ in a car is quite acceptable...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jun 2013

...full on missionary in the backseat of my old 77 Lincoln was like doing it in a twin bed. I wouldn't even want to think about trying that in my newer Prius.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
226. As long as you did it on your own property good for you
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:37 AM
Jun 2013

hope you had a great time.

If you did it on someone else property or on public property you risk getting arrested and deserve no tears.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
64. good grief! so many people here are flippant about flagrant fornication in front of five-year olds!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jun 2013

whether or not there were any actual children around, there's a very reasonable expectation that children might be able to see you if you're having sex in public in a motel parking lot. in fact it's even worse in a motel parking lot vs. most others because time of day doesn't help. in the parking lot of a closed supermarket at 3am, you might have an argument that no kids should be able to see you, but in a motel parking lot families on long treks arrive or leave at all hours.

if this is ok where do you draw the line? should couples be able to strip and screw anytime, anywhere? is the park ok? how about on a school playground? or is there something magical about a car that makes it ok even though anyone can peer in?


to my read, the couple did at least 3 things wrong:
1) nudity/sex in public
2) resisting (citizen's) arrest
3) intentionally driving in a way that they knew would cause harm to a pedestrian.


now, i agree that i, at least, would not have risked my body to facilitate an arrest for the police, but i certainly can't agree with all those who are blaming the victim here. her decision to effect a citizen's arrest and stand in front of the car in no way legitimizes the behavior of the copulating couple.


Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
80. I guess a school bus full of children might have turned into that parking lot at any time.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jun 2013

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Say the driver was lost and needed to look at his map or ask for directions.

And the school bus might have parked right next to the SUV containing the naughty couple. And they might not have noticed a school bus parked next to them.

The impressionable young schoolchildren might then have seen the couple having sex and would have been mentally scarred, permanently, for the rest of their lives.

You're absolutely correct. We always need to think of the children. Always.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
148. I imagine that's one reason one is not allowed to urinate in the parking lot of school
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jun 2013

"We always need to think of the children. Always..."

I imagine that's one reason one is not allowed to urinate in the parking lot of school during recess-- to avoid scarring children. Now would be a wonderfully apt opportunity to engage in civil disobedience and do just that-- I imagine finding a nearby school wouldn't be much of a chore for you, and you'd have the both the moral and ethical standard on your side (if not the legal). Let us know how it goes...

Unless of course, we realize there is indeed, a time and a place for everything; and thinking/acting otherwise is simply a convenient excuse to be an idiot...

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
246. And also... dogs, they should be made to wear pants.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:44 AM
Jun 2013

I'm sick of their al fresco fucking and solo feral-lingus.

I've had it with Mr and Ms. Arfy. I'm detaining them all until the authorities show up with cold buckets of anti-fuck to toss on them.

Or brooms.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
153. oh noes! the sarcasm haz been unleashed!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jun 2013

so what's the idea here? are you in favor of legalizing public nudity and public fornication, anytime, anywhere?

if you think it should EVER be illegal, then where would you draw the line such that motel parking lots are ok, but public parks or school grounds are not?

if you are dismissive of the children, fine, but then please acknowledge that then that you're in favor of zero restrictions on public nudity or fornication.


i see plenty of people here mocking the "nosiness" of the victim (odd to call it "nosiness" when the tupping teammates put it all out there for the public to see) yet no one fessing up to advocating legal sex, anytime, anywhere, which seems to be the only logical alternative.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
229. I bet if you fornicated on his front steps or took a dump on his lawn
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:41 AM
Jun 2013

he would call the cops quick like.

Tien1985

(920 posts)
277. If someone
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jun 2013

fornicated on my stoop they'd be Internet stars on YouTube. I'd be laughing too hard to call anyone. Would people really call the police over this? It doesn't seem like a big deal.

Maybe I'd hose them down for fun.

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
211. If, for example, a group of thugs came to block in my car
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:34 AM
Jun 2013

and said "you're under citizen's arrest", your contention is that I would have no choice but to sit there and wait? Welcome to the 21st century - you have no idea who anyone else actually is and what's going on with their brain.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
214. "Citizen's Arrest" lol
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:02 AM
Jun 2013

I picture a doofus running up to somebody with a plastic badge and saying that they're under arrest.

The reason for throwing herself in front of the car was ridiculous because nobody was getting hurt. It made no sense to step in, when she should have just gotten the car's license plate and gave it to the police.

Who cares if children saw? Will seeing sex cause their head to explode? The lady should have just yelled at them to go away and then that's it if she was so concerned. Stepping in front of an escaping car when there's no legitimate reason to stop the car (kidnapping, for example) is very very stupid.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
273. Wait now, was the couple waxing the TOP of the vehicle with their actions?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:19 PM
Jun 2013

Because most children are too short to see in a vehicle.

Besides, the classic excuse that "They're dancing, honey" will work just fine. Or maybe tell them there's a trampoline in the car. But then, you know, they'll nag you 'til you get one for YOUR car.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
68. Couldn't they find a more secluded spot other than a well lit parking lot where families would be
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:01 AM
Jun 2013

walking through? If they were that intent on having sex where they could be watched, why not in the middle of an intersection on the main street instead of a parking lot? It was dumb of the woman to step in front of the car though. She should have just given the license plate number and description of said car to the police.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
71. Stupid... if you report a crime, dont get involved like that
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jun 2013

Get the license plates and the car description and give to the police. And move on with your business. The woman standing in front of a car put herself in danger and was completely unnecessary.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
72. Rather one believes she should have called the police is not the point
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jun 2013

The issue here is that attempting to run someone over is not acceptable. By the logic, you can use force against anyone if you have a problem with something that they did. Granted, she shouldn't have stood in front of the car, but when the driver made the choice to run her over, they put themselves in legal jeopardy.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
86. She put herself in that position...for a stupid reason
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:15 AM
Jun 2013

The two were having sex...they were not robbing a bank.

Indecent exposure is a misdemeanor, and it would possibly even be dropped if a prosecutor doesnt want to spend the time on it. You are going to put your life on the line for that? What if the couple had a gun? That woman could have put someone elses life in danger. You dont know what people are capable of these days.

Did she deserve to be hit by a car? No. But she no hero. She's an idiot.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
267. "She put herself in that position"
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jun 2013

Since she was on a mission, could she be said to have been in a missionary position?

I think yes, absolutely. It makes perfect sense to me. English-wise it certainly does.

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
123. It reallly sounds like they were trying their damnedest to avoid running her over....
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jun 2013

and she was just as damned determined to be run over.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
82. Let's see.........
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jun 2013

This woman tells these people that she's called the cops and expects them to stay there and wait for them? What's the normal reaction of people when you tell them the cops are coming? This woman is a complete fool and she is ultimately responsible for her own injuries, if indeed there were any.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
85. she couldn't just take down the plates and vehicle description
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jun 2013

while the people inside were, er, busy?

Not worth getting run over about. She could have been seriously injured or killed.

Personally, I believe in MYOB and live/let live, but sometimes people are so in your face with their personal business it's hard to.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
94. Jesus Christ this thread is sad.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jun 2013

I can't believe the number people that are spouting the idiot libertine "SEX IN PUBLIC IS AWESOME SO MIND YOUR OWN BEESWAX" line of bullshit.

A motel is not public property, and the owner/management gets to decide whether fucking in public is OK or not OK.

The woman attempting to "detain" the folks was wrong though, she should have just copied down the plate numbers and been done with it.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
117. Everyone here advocating genocide against motel managers everywhere
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jun 2013

Well not on my watch. Never again!

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
136. The "victim" / "unlawful detainer" was NOT the motel manager.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

One poster got it wrong (REPEATEDLY), and then tried to straw man the situation with the sarcastic "well, then it is okay to kill her" (which is NOT what anyone has said).

The consensus is that she broke the first rule of wisdom: "Do Not Put Yourself In Harms Way Without Good Cause." Other people having finished having sex does not seem to merit jumping in front of a moving vehicle (while saving a puppy or small child would garner universal approval - unless it was a baby pit bull eating leftover Olive Garden, in which case all bets are off!).

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
146. Yes, yes -- I support Motelocaust 2013!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jun 2013
That is a good name for it!

Where can I get the bumper sticker?
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
149. Actually the motel parking lot is quasi-public. Like the commons in a shopping mall.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:44 PM
Jun 2013

Things can be allowed there, as if it were public, that cannot be allowed by management inside. Like sex in your car.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
235. Other people may have a different take on that.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jun 2013

In some areas, it is not against the law to engage in sex in "public".

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
100. I gave this story a little thought...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jun 2013

Not far from me is the I-35 freeway that runs thought Austin.

There was a recent story in the local rag about how the motels and hotels in a particular stretch of that freeway experience higher than normal meth, crack and prostitution issues.

Several of the managers of the establishments were interviewed.

Generally speaking, drug use and a prostitution run hand in hand in lower economic areas.

So as a manager of a motel who is trying to maintain safety for his clients, calling the cops on people having sex in a car, may actually not be as uptight and/or innocent as it sounds.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
143. I agree with that. But the only good reason to interfere is if someone is in immediate danger.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jun 2013

Otherwise, get out of the way and don't make the situation worse. They got the license plate, they called the police, done. Sometimes expressing a little scorn is appropriate, but standing in front of a car is like standing in front of a gun. You don't know what the stranger with the gun or car is going to do, or why they are going to do it. The stranger in SUV could be a most wanted murderer, and one more victim -you- won't matter.

I've confronted many people previously in my work (teaching in the big city was the worst...) but now it's mostly kids painting graffiti on my back wall, smoking weed, or cutting class to make out. But I'm not going to let any of these confrontations go violent and there are only a few things I'll call the police about.

If I called the police about everything I'm sure the police would start to ignore me. Our police pretty much have to ignore people anyways because they are so understaffed. They don't go out of their way for the small stuff.

Response to Javaman (Reply #100)

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
102. No problem!!!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jun 2013

Crazy lady standing in front of car. A man is standing behind the car. They say the police have been alerted and said you should remain until they get there.

Remain in car and wait for the arrival for police, so you can either 1) have the woman arrested for unlawful detention or 2) get your ticket or fine for deciding to get frisky in your car OUTSIDE of a motel.

But, at no point is attempting to go through the man or woman lawful. Remaining in the car is lawful. Waiting for the police is lawful. Explaining what happened to the police is lawful.

Having sex OUTSIDE of a hotel. Stupid.

Could they not take the person to one of their houses or was a spouse already there?
Were they afraid the moment would leave too quickly for them to pay for a room?

This is like a badly written b-movie comedy. He looks into her eyes and they are both swept away by the romantic notion of it all? The smell of pavement in the morning...the sound of the cleaning crew carts rolling by...looking up and seeing people walk by the car...

Harold Robbins...where are you when we need you?

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
232. They were under no obligation to wait for police
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jun 2013

If someone is trying to detain you, you have the right to escape.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
104. If some guy wants to sleep with me . . .
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jun 2013

He's going to have to do better than a car in the parking lot of some cheap motel. But anyway, there are no geniuses in this little scenario. The woman was stupid for trying to stand in front of the vehicle (even if she worked for the motel, she wouldn't get paid enough for that), and the driver was stupid for running her over and risking charges of attempted vehicular homicide. Just give the plate number to the cops and be done with it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
110. Did not see that one coming!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jun 2013

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tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
126. What did the woman see exactly..and how does she define sex....
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jun 2013

..ya gotta wonder if she is a reputable observer...

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
140. Survival Rule #1: [b]"Do Not Put Yourself In Harms Way Without Good Cause."[/b]
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jun 2013

Good Cause is NOT other people finishing sex; give the license plate to the police, and let them handle it.


liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
158. Maybe the prude should have minded her own damn
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jun 2013

business and let it go. Yes, there are better places for couples to get their freak on than in a car in a motel parking lot early in the morning, but she escalated it far beyond what she should have and should have just let them go. They weren't hurting anyone and were trying to leave when she stuck her busybody nose in it. And don't the police have better things to do than hassle people having sex because some prude doesn't like it? Sheesh. Her injuries are her own damn fault.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
163. HAHAHAHA
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jun 2013

Classic Darwin Award! She got what she deserved.

Next time leave it to the pros. There are these things called license plates.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
165. Likely, prostitution is an ongoing problem in that parking lot.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

If you've ever lived in dodgier neighborhoods, you'll likely be familiar with seeing prostitutes turning tricks in alleys or that kind of thing.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
185. Right, but you'd still have 'small business owners' conducting business
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:13 PM
Jun 2013

opportunistically, such as here, in this instance, wouldn't you?

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
181. Have you sever seen a Super-8? If so, you would understand why
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jun 2013

a person would prefer to have sex OUTSIDE.

Now if they had been having sex outside a Hilton or something, I think the manager would have a point.

But the simple solution here is to charge for the parking lot:

Sex in parking lot: $15

Sex in our rooms: $12.95

 

DontTreadOnMe

(2,442 posts)
190. Prove they were having sex!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jun 2013

And even if they were having sex, you can't detain someone.

The woman who got run over is going to lose this case. Simple law.

The women driving the car will have a statement such as "I was in fear for my life, there was a crazy women telling me I could not leave! I tried to back up and drive to the side and the woman kept jumping in front of my car. I panicked and by accident, ran her over."

LAW ENFORCEMENT TIP #!: If you are not a police officer, and you witness what you believe is a crime - you CALL the police, and let THEM handle it. When you try to interject yourself as a law officer, you are asking for trouble.

haele

(12,659 posts)
192. I read the article and wonder how would I react to a potential car-jacking attempt?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jun 2013

If a woman is is screaming at me, and trying to block me from leaving when I hadn't done anything legally wrong, do I have the right to suspect she might be trying to do me harm and try to get out of the place I am in? Especially if there is also someone behind my car?

I'll admit that were I in the driver's situation, I'd probably try to do the same thing - get the F** away from a crazy woman who might have a gun or might want my car and try not to hurt her in the process.
The woman had only minor injuries, which, according to the report happened when "the vehicle attempted to back up and pull forward to try to navigate around the victim, but she kept stepping in front of the SUV.”
Sounds as if she was injured as badly as I was I was standing on the sidewalk at a street corner, didn't pay attention and stepped out into the street against a "don't walk" sign and walked directly into a Lincoln turning right at probably 3 - 5 mph.
I got a twisted ankle and shoulder, a sore bum, and a couple dozen bruises and scrapes, and it was totally my fault because the driver actually waited to see if I was doing anything and began his turn, not expecting me to suddenly step into him.

This wasn't a Deathrace 2000 situation, where the adrenalin-crazed driver was trying to get points hitting an inconveniently positioned pedestrian in a crosswalk - this was pretty obvious from the report that the driver was attempting not to hit the woman when she jumped in front of them as they were leaving.

And yes, no matter what I had been doing before, I would have been swearing and yelling at the crazy woman who was throwing herself at my vehicle, trying to stop me and perhaps hurt me or my passenger.
Especially if I had been distastefully engaged in "risky role-play" with a freak buddy (or spouse/long-term partner) in a dodgy area where there might also be drug dealers and prostitutes...

The driver did not seem to attempt to hit her, she got herself hit. That's my read from the article.

Haele


 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
194. How about minding your own fucking business?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jun 2013

Some people are just assholes. Just go about your business, why must you insist on bothering other people? And calling the cops? What a dick move.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
238. So what?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:06 AM
Jun 2013

You have every right and opportunity to engage in whatever form of sex you choose on your own property, or with the permission of the property owner.

You can ask someone for permission to park behind an old building or offer a farmer $50 bucks to to get wild in the back forty.

People who believe they have some silly right to copulate anyplace they feel like it need to be disavowed of that notion.

Schools are public, should we allow couples to fuck in one of them?

Nine

(1,741 posts)
280. You had sex in a public school. Um, congrats?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jun 2013

I myself don't find that at all admirable, but why don't you try sending that in to Penthouse?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
201. Why were the police coming at all?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jun 2013

Is there anything illegal about having sex in a car in a public parking lot?

Get a room.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
202. I saw a guy getting his pole waxed in my work parking lot
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jun 2013

when I told the guys I worked with, they all ran out to see

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
242. Walmart practically demands that you have sex in their parking lots.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jun 2013

"Feel free to stay overnight in your RV." Yeah, right.

You can even stick your plug in their outlet to get a charge.

Why's that lady's outrage not placed where it's needed?!

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
241. Lol, serves her right.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:11 AM
Jun 2013

It's one thing to call the police. It is an entirely different thing to confront and attempt to physically stop a SUV with just her body. How did she think that was going to work out? Idiocy.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
271. If this thread doesn't get a DUzy, I want you to run me over.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jun 2013

That's how great my unfulfilled desires will be.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
284. I have no sympathy for her
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:01 PM
Jun 2013

She could have written down the license plate number and turned that over to police if she really wanted to make this an issue. Putting yourself in harm's way because people were having car sex? Idiot.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
289. The people in the SUV were pathetic and disgusting. But the woman that was hit
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jun 2013

was acting as a morals police. I just don't understand losers that would have sex in the parking lot of a budget rate motel, why not get a room.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
296. Was the "woman" in the car a minor?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:49 PM
Jun 2013

Did the woman appear to be a sex slave or forced into prostitution? Those are the only two scenarios I can think of that would justify the hotel manager's actions. If it was just a consensual romp that doesn't happen regularly, then taking down the license plate should have sufficed (or simply ignoring them).

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