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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:47 AM Jun 2013

“She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.”

Michelle Obama confronts gay-rights heckler at fundraiser

By John Newland, Staff Writer, NBC News

Michelle Obama confronted a gay-rights protester who heckled her at a Democratic fundraiser in Washington on Tuesday, offering to give her the microphone and leave, before the crowd cheered for the first lady to stay.
Obama was 12 minutes into a planned 20-minute speech at a couple’s home when a woman standing at the front of the small crowd interrupted, demanding that President Barack Obama sign an executive order on gay rights.
“One of the things I don’t do well is this,” the first lady said before walking down from the lectern and approaching the protester, according to a pool reporter covering the event.
Obama told the woman that people gathered in the backyard tent could "listen to me or you can take the mic, but I'm leaving,” before telling the crowd, “You all decide. You have one choice.”

At that, the crowd began chanting for Obama to stay as one woman told the protester, “You need to leave.”
The woman was escorted out, shouting that she was a “lesbian looking for federal equality before I die.”
Obama then returned to the lectern and finished her speech, getting loud applause as she did.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/05/18769606-michelle-obama-confronts-gay-rights-heckler-at-fundraiser?lite


I really don't have any sympathy for any these god-damned hecklers, whether they be on the right or the left.

All I can wonder about is whether or not these people would be so bold if they didn't have the first Black First Family currently occupying the White House to scream at.

Kudos on Mrs. Obama for handling this disrespecting Ellen Sturtz person with class and intelligence. Ms. Sturz obviously tried to bite off more than she could chew… And then some.
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“She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.” (Original Post) MrScorpio Jun 2013 OP
Way to go Mrs. Obama! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #1
+1000 Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #62
+2000 eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #252
Indeed! I am 100% behind Michelle Obama on this. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #307
We all have limits regarding what we are willing to ignore. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #310
Let me get this straight - the venue was a private home, hedgehog Jun 2013 #2
"angry black woman" would be the euphemism of choice. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #7
Well sometimes black women have reason to be angry. This was one of those times. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2013 #57
Agreed! calimary Jun 2013 #124
Yeah, I was thinking that only Repukes have the exclusive franchise to be disrespectful to our indepat Jun 2013 #145
According to Andrea Mitchell a few minutes ago the heckler got DevonRex Jun 2013 #88
Where was the secret service while this was happening? rl6214 Jun 2013 #206
Maybe taking care of the male heckler who interrupted Debbie Wasserman Schultz. DevonRex Jun 2013 #209
I think it's a little more important keeping an eye on Mrs Obama rl6214 Jun 2013 #211
If I were Michelle I would never raise another penny after this. DevonRex Jun 2013 #216
Some people regard being yelled at up close as abusive. I know I do. freshwest Jun 2013 #319
You go girl !! nt clarice Jun 2013 #3
An assassination target surprised by a sudden commotion scared this woman jberryhill Jun 2013 #4
Too bad there's no video. Secret Service was watching. Not overreacting, but alert. freshwest Jun 2013 #162
Good for FLOTUS CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #5
Amen. President Obama has already proven he will sign anything treestar Jun 2013 #236
"I really don't have any sympathy for any these god-damned hecklers" +1!! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #6
I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #9
I hope MO scared the shit out of her Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #8
I am torn on this whole thing... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #25
If it reads that way... gcomeau Jun 2013 #30
That's the trope all the Obama haters have gotten into their heads today alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #63
I don't think that this lady was a Obama hater...she movonne Jun 2013 #90
I'm not talking about her alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #128
I get what you're saying and it IS ridiculous. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #181
You nailed it n/t emulatorloo Jun 2013 #242
I really have no problem with what Michelle did... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #92
I don't have any problem with the heckler either alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #126
I havent read anything scolding Obama for her response, 7962 Jun 2013 #246
Not at all Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #154
Yeah, I mis-read what you said... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #156
No, it doesn't. It just means that people paid to hear Michelle, not the heckler. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #172
The amount of disrespect the first couple eissa Jun 2013 #10
The comments that the FLOTUS has endured as a woman of color since 2008 have sickened me. It's as if freshwest Jun 2013 #53
You are Rebl Jun 2013 #180
Exactly, of course he supports the cause treestar Jun 2013 #237
If Michelle or any politician refuses to speak at private/elite fundraisers then I shall applaud BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #11
For five hundred bucks, I'm sure that Ellen Sturz could have afforded her own microphone MrScorpio Jun 2013 #15
Fair point JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #38
Protester had massive disrespect for the plight of inner-city children frazzled Jun 2013 #16
A "talk" about the plight of inner-city children BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #106
Irony that $500 a plate is going to inner-city children? We should be upset about that? stevenleser Jun 2013 #122
Going to the DNC, as far as I can tell muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #141
We should be doing more of that. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #173
Five hundred a plate is chickenfeed. Mitt "Trees the Right Height" Romney didn't do those gigs for MADem Jun 2013 #138
The protester paid the money, too, presumably frazzled Jun 2013 #146
Apparently the protester's activist group paid the bill and planted the protester there to do the MADem Jun 2013 #159
Yes, but you know what the meme is, that 'Democrats are spineless' and won't fight back. freshwest Jun 2013 #166
Which is why I say to these so-called activists, if they want to make change, direct their MADem Jun 2013 #169
"By ratfucking DU they demoralize Democrats and get them to not show up to vote." emulatorloo Jun 2013 #244
Day in, day out... Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #343
+100 = so much truth in your comments imo lunasun Jun 2013 #253
I was just looking at GetEQUAL's website. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #314
Not to sound like a conspiracy freak, Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #331
If you believe that you have 'masters', that's wholly on you. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #21
Ah yes... BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #113
LOL Robb Jun 2013 #23
"I never expected to be confronted while harassing someone." geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12
Heh. Exactly! Lex Jun 2013 #13
The poor dear. HappyMe Jun 2013 #18
That reaction is interesting... Javaman Jun 2013 #101
Best Advice is to NOT take advice from the Internet Tough Guy Quarterly: freshwest Jun 2013 #160
Maybe people *should expect to be confronted* when they confront others, instead of being one-sided. freshwest Jun 2013 #121
You are correct, freshwest. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #184
Don't forget the VAWA which the GOP kept trying to deny LGBT and Natives from being covered. freshwest Jun 2013 #192
Nominated for Quote of the Year. calimary Jun 2013 #127
It was a speech about impoverished inner-city children frazzled Jun 2013 #14
The heckler didn't give a shit. Her cause was more important that any other. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #327
Josh Marshall called her "the David Broder of hecklers." WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #17
perfect arely staircase Jun 2013 #31
More like "the Bill O'Reilly of hecklers". Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #66
Good for Mrs. Obama! First LADY, indeed. Glorfindel Jun 2013 #19
It was a private affair so people had paid to be there. hamsterjill Jun 2013 #20
After listening to the audio eissa Jun 2013 #22
There's a time and a place sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #26
She is the most impressive first lady I can remember...and I remember Mamie! Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2013 #27
I believe the same way siligut Jun 2013 #32
And I add her Get In Your Face Style. We should take a lesson. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #40
They've got to realize an executive order is over with EC Jun 2013 #28
Actually, no it isn't brooklynite Jun 2013 #33
and if a repub gets in? EC Jun 2013 #59
Depends on the Order... brooklynite Jun 2013 #64
Please give your details on this EO and how it was enforced in the Bush administration when he freshwest Jun 2013 #245
From the EPA: brooklynite Jun 2013 #251
Thanks. What of the changes Bush made? I don't consider them just, or environmental. freshwest Jun 2013 #266
+1111 treestar Jun 2013 #238
Bullies usually get surprised when someone stands up the them ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #29
K&R ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #34
OBAMA can go to hell with her disrespect dbackjon Jun 2013 #35
good luck advocating on Full Ignore ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #36
I am happy when bigots ignore me. dbackjon Jun 2013 #37
Here's a book recommendation for you davidpdx Jun 2013 #282
I am just fine the way I am dbackjon Jun 2013 #283
You seem awfully judgemental... Sheepshank Jun 2013 #290
Not at all dbackjon Jun 2013 #341
In other words davidpdx Jun 2013 #333
No - there is objective standards on bigotry dbackjon Jun 2013 #342
Sounds like objective standards to me davidpdx Jun 2013 #344
grow some skin frylock Jun 2013 #97
Lol, your drama cracks me up! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #248
Respect given JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #44
What does race have to do with it? dbackjon Jun 2013 #45
I don't see that way… I think that race has a lot to do with this. MrScorpio Jun 2013 #49
I agree. The casual disrespect for this POTUS/FLOTUS abounds. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #110
Lol, people yelled at bush all the time! Threw shoes! Logical Jun 2013 #249
That didn't happen in the U.S. A shoe-thrower would have been arrested here. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #337
Absolutely and it does have to do with race imo & what they are used to getting away re: minorities lunasun Jun 2013 #256
Everything JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #50
You are projecting racism on the GLBT community dbackjon Jun 2013 #54
Good for you JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #65
I truly love you. Truly Number23 Jun 2013 #264
I came across this story on Tumblr, as it was posted by a black lesbian that I follow MrScorpio Jun 2013 #68
Thanks for this link. n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #85
You bet. There's another opinion that I thought was important here MrScorpio Jun 2013 #89
To be honest... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #100
Here's some more information that I'd think you'd like MrScorpio Jun 2013 #108
Glad to hear it! libodem Jun 2013 #194
"Black Queer voices...are standing up for Mrs. Obama and NOT for Ms. Sturtz." Number23 Jun 2013 #265
I'm trying to decide what the right intersectional thing to do here for both women would have been stevenleser Jun 2013 #123
I seriously doubt that Sturtz would have been interested in any form of intersectionality at all MrScorpio Jun 2013 #134
This white guy is calling racist, too. TekGryphon Jun 2013 #116
Yes, so yell at the right people!! CONGRESS !!! Pisces Jun 2013 #48
Congress? What Congress? Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #332
no offense dlwickham Jun 2013 #51
So heckle those actually standing in the way eissa Jun 2013 #55
The First Lady Wasn't Disrespectful onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #60
Disrespect is shown disrespect in kind. Jester Messiah Jun 2013 #69
The FLOTUS isn't delaying or denying anything. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #74
Since when is a woman standing up for herself disrespect? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #78
I can respect THAT :) dbackjon Jun 2013 #81
Thank you. Michelle didn't back down. DevonRex Jun 2013 #93
So can the whiny heckler. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #91
Ellen Sturz my well be a hero..... Captain Stern Jun 2013 #104
Like Michelle Obama knows NOTHING about equality denied Politicalboi Jun 2013 #136
Then her lack of empathy is even more astounding. dbackjon Jun 2013 #143
In general, I think it's tough to empathize thucythucy Jun 2013 #176
Acknowledge the grave injustice done to GLBT Americans dbackjon Jun 2013 #177
This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jun 2013 #193
What word? treestar Jun 2013 #240
Her lack of empathy??? onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #190
you suck, dude. seriously. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #151
As a gay man, Ellen Sturz began the disrespect. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #163
In your opinion dbackjon Jun 2013 #165
Yep. Sturtz playing the victim only diminishes her standing. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #171
The audience wanted the heckler gone... onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #39
... William769 Jun 2013 #41
I love her response!! This woman did not expect to be engaged directly? She Pisces Jun 2013 #42
Hmmm. Myrina Jun 2013 #43
I agree 100%, and just said so adigal Jun 2013 #58
oiy. Whisp Jun 2013 #268
that's my only beef, and it's not really a beef, per se.. frylock Jun 2013 #98
Love her flamingdem Jun 2013 #46
I distinctly recall 2naSalit Jun 2013 #47
I have to say, if Laura Bush did this, you all would be reacting with outrage adigal Jun 2013 #52
No, I'd give Ms. Bush her props for taking care of business. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #70
Then I think you are in the minority here n/t adigal Jun 2013 #73
I'm used to it, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #76
No. A woman has the right to stand up for herself to someone shouting in her face. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #95
Yup, me too. HappyMe Jun 2013 #102
Heckler wouldn't even have gotten NEAR the room. calimary Jun 2013 #142
+1,000. Maybe some people don't remember those years? freshwest Jun 2013 #231
Maybe MOST people don't remember those years. calimary Jun 2013 #346
Well said, and calling Joe Wilson a pipsqueak is being very kind. nt raccoon Jun 2013 #280
Oh believe me, I have words for him that would incinerate my computer. calimary Jun 2013 #347
Lol, I doubt it! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #250
Heck, I give her husband props for dodging that shoe. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #281
And you heard the recording? CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #120
The point, is that Laura Bush would NEVER jen63 Jun 2013 #349
I thought bravo Mrs. Obama.....someone has got to put a stop to this madness of interrupting anyone a kennedy Jun 2013 #56
The vitriol that the first black family has endured is a national disgrace. It's beyond political. freshwest Jun 2013 #61
True. abelenkpe Jun 2013 #67
Curious, do you think this particular heckler was motivated by race? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #71
No... I don't think race was the ultimate motivator Sheepshank Jun 2013 #295
While I agree with Maher's sentiments, I don't think this was at all about race. GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #99
I didn't say it was about race, but as the first black family, that's the atmosphere nationally. freshwest Jun 2013 #132
You got no argument from me. GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #140
This reminds me of the hecklers from the right, and the one on Gitmo. freshwest Jun 2013 #153
Hi fresh.. and she still held it together. I found this on TOD from someone who was there Cha Jun 2013 #157
Thanks for the additional take from someone who was actually there, Cha. It shows privilege, and a freshwest Jun 2013 #161
Here's another personal account of someone else who was at the fundraiser for inner city kids.. Cha Jun 2013 #170
Well Said! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #197
Do you mean to purposefully conflate what the middle aged lesbian who wants her civil rights did... Kurovski Jun 2013 #338
So what, it was a private house not a public venue...... Historic NY Jun 2013 #72
Sturtz is an IDIOT, plain and simple. And possibly a racist as well. ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #75
This is a rhetorical trick used most clumsily. Your comment is most unwelcome. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #79
Sturtz was hoping to verbally abuse and berate the First Lady until she cried or broke down, I think ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #77
Not a big fan of LGBT issues, eh? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #80
not a big fan of racist bullies and idiots ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #82
"Racist" is a term that should be used cautiously. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #83
because they don't know fuckall.. frylock Jun 2013 #125
Trolls certainly do. Then they run off. Kurovski Jun 2013 #340
If she were a ANGRY BLACK WOMEN Iliyah Jun 2013 #84
Ellen Sturtz says she was 'surprised'..she should use all the interviews now- to make her point. Sunlei Jun 2013 #86
Ms. Sturtz. Rudeness is NOT the way to lend credence to your cause. When you are being rude it appleannie1 Jun 2013 #87
I suppose you think Rosa Parks was rude for not following custom by refusing to give up her bus seat LonePirate Jun 2013 #103
Rosa Parks was demanding her Constitutional rights in a public space. 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #284
If the venue matters to you, then I question your commitment to Constitutional and civil rights LonePirate Jun 2013 #286
Question away. At least you showed enough sense not to try and equate Sturtz with Rosa Parks again. 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #288
I support any citizen directly questioning and criticizing people of authority and influence LonePirate Jun 2013 #289
I'll ask you again, should the First Lady be interrupted any time she addresses an issue other than 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #293
I already answered your question in the previous post. LonePirate Jun 2013 #294
No, you didn't. And this has now become akin to arguing with my nutcase, fundie, co-worker. 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #296
What does this statement mean to you? LonePirate Jun 2013 #298
I didn't ask if you "support" it. The question I asked is SHOULD (see, that's the key word) 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #302
Yes to all three of your questions. LonePirate Jun 2013 #303
At last, you finally answered. So, to recap, if your answer to all of my questions is yes ... 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #306
It's disturbing that you're more outraged by the interruption than by the lack of LGBT civil rights LonePirate Jun 2013 #308
It's interesting how you believe you can determine DU's level of outrage regarding one topic... 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #315
Sturtz a true hero for speaking out? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #297
When exactly would Sturtz have gotten both MO's and the public's undivided attention and ears? LonePirate Jun 2013 #299
The public ear is ready on the gay issue....she organizes her own venue Sheepshank Jun 2013 #300
She grabbed MO's attention for a few moments and made the national news yesterday LonePirate Jun 2013 #301
The cause already had attention...now it has negative attention. That was good? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #312
If Sturtz's actions compel Pres. Obama to not sign the EO, then he's a bigot. LonePirate Jun 2013 #313
your assertion that this heckling act alone SHOULD compel Michelle to Force POTUS Sheepshank Jun 2013 #324
Rosa Parks didn't yell. She quietly sat down and silently refused to give up her seat bluestate10 Jun 2013 #328
So sound volume is your determining factor when deciding if a cause is just? LonePirate Jun 2013 #330
If PO should write an executive order for her issue, why shouldn't he write one for MY issue, for patrice Jun 2013 #94
The order is already in the works. I don't believe this was what this was about. Nope, I don't. freshwest Jun 2013 #182
Agreed. It wasn't to get any message out. What message? Nobody even HEARD them but DevonRex Jun 2013 #195
I'm sure this will not have a chilling effect on anyone's support for LGBT's. That's about all of us freshwest Jun 2013 #229
Perfectly said. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #233
It's troubling how the internet, including the DU, helps A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G like that out. People act patrice Jun 2013 #196
Well, I understand that. I don't take this place very serious anymore for that reason. freshwest Jun 2013 #243
This ^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #241
because white politicians never get heckled? frylock Jun 2013 #96
No, but then you don't have lilly-white 'progressives' whining geek tragedy Jun 2013 #107
Chris Christie: Forceful and direct. Michelle Obama: Aggressive CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #115
Yup alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #131
The disrespect of the Obamas by (some) progressives goes back to day one. PragmaticLiberal Jun 2013 #149
Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #150
They haven't been heckled nearly as much as the Obamas. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #114
do you have a scorecard? frylock Jun 2013 #129
It's really not that hard to notice the difference without keeping one. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #148
it's really not that difficult to differentiate between dissatisfied liberals and racists either.. frylock Jun 2013 #152
Well done, FLOTUS... SidDithers Jun 2013 #105
I'm right with you MrScorpio Tumbulu Jun 2013 #109
K&R defacto7 Jun 2013 #111
Why in the world would she heckle someone who is supporting gay rights? DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #112
Because she couldn't stand the idea of the spotlight going to the black communtiy for even one day TekGryphon Jun 2013 #117
why do you latinos? frylock Jun 2013 #130
The GOP can't even stand that the black community exists and work to eliminate that fact: freshwest Jun 2013 #323
Good for the First Lady. People came to hear the FL give a talk WI_DEM Jun 2013 #118
Cheering the puppets Crow73 Jun 2013 #119
Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!! I behaved like a shithead and got called on it!!! Waaaaaaaaah!!! nt MADem Jun 2013 #133
If you act like a jerk, you'll get treated like a jerk. calimary Jun 2013 #147
Yep, and she should have been better prepared. RiffRandell Jun 2013 #228
And she risked alienating people who would otherwise be sympathetic to her cause. calimary Jun 2013 #348
Action /reaction Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2013 #135
I wrote this before--Sturtz paid $500 to have her ass handed to her. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #137
I hope the organizers write a check and send her money back to her. I have a bluestate10 Jun 2013 #329
Maybe someone who has heckled can clear something up for me... mindfulNJ Jun 2013 #139
Because heckling is meant to intimidate, not inform. To degrade, not discuss. freshwest Jun 2013 #320
Michelle 1, Heckler 0 Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #144
Why didn't she take the microphone ? how did she want/expect Michelle to react JI7 Jun 2013 #155
There's no expectation of it, but maybe with some class? It's not the "Houswives of Washington DC." Kurovski Jun 2013 #334
Heckler was the rude one dem in texas Jun 2013 #158
+1 freshwest Jun 2013 #321
Good on Michelle! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #164
I actually think threatening to leave a group of people who had paid to see you because Flaxbee Jun 2013 #167
I am going to turn this car around RIGHT Now! That is how mom's have dealt with childess behavior. alphafemale Jun 2013 #174
Everyone deserves respect. Everyone. Even assholes. Flaxbee Jun 2013 #203
Disipline and reminders of what is acceptable behavior IS respect. alphafemale Jun 2013 #223
but that's what Michelle was going to do. Let poor behavoir spoil it for everyone. Flaxbee Jun 2013 #232
She wasn't really going to leave. That was a Mom ploy. alphafemale Jun 2013 #234
Not only that, she offered her the mike to say her piece. No, this was a stunt, not advocacy. freshwest Jun 2013 #317
In my world, respect must be earned. 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #285
It wasn't a serious threat--it was a signal to the people hosting geek tragedy Jun 2013 #175
Really? Then why not simply say so? Ask for the disruptor to either wait Flaxbee Jun 2013 #204
The only person that Mrs. O could have been possibly "rude" to was the heckler. MrScorpio Jun 2013 #186
Had Michelle actually left, it would have been ridiculous. Flaxbee Jun 2013 #208
Are you saying that Sturtz had just as much a right to that mic as Michelle Obama? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #221
No, I'm not saying that. Not even remotely. Flaxbee Jun 2013 #230
If what you say is correct, why then did the crowd reward Michelle with a return to the podium? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #239
Then let's just disagree. I don't think it was brilliant. But that makes me no less an Flaxbee Jun 2013 #305
Thumbs UP for Michelle!!! nt Raine Jun 2013 #168
In other words, she's saying Mrs. Obama was "uppity." n/t Scootaloo Jun 2013 #178
“She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.” BklnDem75 Jun 2013 #179
Oh the Irony! Cha Jun 2013 #183
Michelle Obama would not have done well in the time of the Lincoln JDPriestly Jun 2013 #185
There was no "debate" between Michelle Obama and Sturtz MrScorpio Jun 2013 #187
"Mrs. Obama should learn" "ask him how to teach her", "ordinary folk" CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #188
The President is a master at handling hecklers. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #261
I'm missing what she did wrong. onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #189
Obama has handled these situations masterfully in many instances. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #263
Thanks for the reply. onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #274
One rule many Hecklers seem to forget. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #191
You just don't get it. Fearless Jun 2013 #198
Who acted like a spoiled brat? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #199
Mrs. Obama was a spoiled brat in responding. Fearless Jun 2013 #201
The only person acting like a spoiled brat was the idiot heckler.. HipChick Jun 2013 #202
Wanting equality is never spoiled. Sorry. Fearless Jun 2013 #205
The heckler was rude HipChick Jun 2013 #218
She was rude as well. Fearless Jun 2013 #220
The audience did not pay $500 to hear a disruptor and they would have made that known regardless. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #224
Just because a majority doesn't like Fearless Jun 2013 #260
That's ridiculous. MrScorpio Jun 2013 #210
You still seem to feel the need to however? Fearless Jun 2013 #214
Are you angry at Michelle Obama? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #222
I am disappointed with her response to the protester Fearless Jun 2013 #255
You know, I've seen loads of bullshit shoveled on DU before, but this takes the cake MrScorpio Jun 2013 #269
Alright let's take this item by item... Fearless Jun 2013 #270
Oh, I see… MrScorpio Jun 2013 #275
Thank you for taking the time to restate your opinions Fearless Jun 2013 #292
LOL! The name calling never stops. It's all good though, right? Just Michelle Obama. DevonRex Jun 2013 #213
If she does bad things Fearless Jun 2013 #215
Talking about poor children and gun control has just got to STOP!!!! DevonRex Jun 2013 #217
No. There is no monopoly on social issues. Fearless Jun 2013 #219
No, she did NOT CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #225
No. Fearless Jun 2013 #257
I think you are wrong about that. Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2013 #226
A protester is a heckler when you disagree with them. Fearless Jun 2013 #258
No you are wrong. Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2013 #271
The protester PAID to get in. They are no intruder. Fearless Jun 2013 #272
I got that part about the heckler paid to be there. Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2013 #276
I do not see how she could have been trying to "grab a headline" Fearless Jun 2013 #291
Mrs. Obama said she would be headed out the door if the woman chose to speak. Kurovski Jun 2013 #335
That's odd. I am a G in the LGBT community and don't feel MO disrespected me. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #247
It is indeed odd. Fearless Jun 2013 #259
I may have to re-think this... Kurovski Jun 2013 #336
I don't mind hecklers HoosierRadical Jun 2013 #200
Comments at Daily Beast are quite telling. Audio there, too. DevonRex Jun 2013 #207
Good. quakerboy Jun 2013 #212
She was given a chance to engage like an adult with the mike. She refused. Publicity stunt. freshwest Jun 2013 #318
And the First Lady said that if the woman did indeed engage, she was going to head out the door. Kurovski Jun 2013 #339
Fist Bump ! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #227
Amen. treestar Jun 2013 #235
Sturtz's cause is good, but her tact/timing kinda sucks. nt BootinUp Jun 2013 #254
Michelle was not "rude".. she was polite. Audio clip at Cha Jun 2013 #262
Indeed, kudos to her. JoeyT Jun 2013 #267
Fuck that shit Sheepshank Jun 2013 #304
Inner city kids and their plight? JoeyT Jun 2013 #309
Michelles own words Sheepshank Jun 2013 #311
Agree with Sturz's methods, disagree with the target (mrs. Obama) and location agentS Jun 2013 #273
I think MO did alright, but the pilling on in this thread is kind of sad. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #277
Many, if not most, of the people doing the piling on here QC Jun 2013 #278
I just hope their words don't get associated with the first lady. Ash_F Jun 2013 #279
Get outta my head. Kurovski Jun 2013 #287
Most important post in this entire, ugly thread ruggerson Jun 2013 #345
FLOTUS was taken aback when Sturz jumped up in the middle of her speech. mfcorey1 Jun 2013 #316
That's not all that happened in the sequence of events. freshwest Jun 2013 #322
I think we are on the same page. However, I still believe it was wrong to interrupt Mrs. Obama mfcorey1 Jun 2013 #325
I understand that about civility. I try to express the need for it in meetings that take up time. freshwest Jun 2013 #326
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
307. Indeed! I am 100% behind Michelle Obama on this.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jun 2013

I'm actually glad that she got a little heated....

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
310. We all have limits regarding what we are willing to ignore.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jun 2013

In my opinion Michelle Obama's behavior was admirable. She was able to act rather than react.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
2. Let me get this straight - the venue was a private home,
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

implying that this was a relatively intimate presentation; Ms. Sturz starts shouting to interrupt Mrs. Obama's speech, and Mrs. Obama got into her face? Sounds like code for "uppity angry black woman " to me!

My daughter reminded me of the proper response to this: "Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'!"

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
57. Well sometimes black women have reason to be angry. This was one of those times.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jun 2013

The heckler was being disrespectful and I'm glad the First Lady said what she said. Now I just hope that the President was watching and picked up a few tips on how to handle the Republican members of Congress.

calimary

(81,283 posts)
124. Agreed!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jun 2013

And I frankly don't see how it makes any sense at all to dump publicly on the wife of the ONE President who's done more to advance equality and progress for the LGTB community than anyone before him. Hell, even Andrea Mitchell pointed that out on MSNBC today.

I'm glad Michelle Obama got in that woman's face.

DAMN! This First Couple has been disrespected more than I can remember ANY First Couple ever, EVER having to face - while deserving it the least of them all, in my opinion.

And I've gotta say - I'm FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF IT!!!!!

indepat

(20,899 posts)
145. Yeah, I was thinking that only Repukes have the exclusive franchise to be disrespectful to our
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

First lady and the President.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
88. According to Andrea Mitchell a few minutes ago the heckler got
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jun 2013

close to MICHELLE and was yelling. Michelle didn't put up with it.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
209. Maybe taking care of the male heckler who interrupted Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jun 2013

The Secret Service pointed at him and he shut up. I don't know if they went to his location or not. That's when Michelle got up to talk about poor kids and gun laws. And the female heckler started in on Michelle right in front.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
216. If I were Michelle I would never raise another penny after this.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jun 2013

Just fuck it. After seeing the names she's been called by people on the left? Hell no. I'd find other ways to spend my time.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
319. Some people regard being yelled at up close as abusive. I know I do.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:09 PM
Jun 2013

No one in real life puts up with that unless they are yelling too.

Michelle said, 'I don't do this very well, or I don't do this.'

That is honesty, not arrogance. She did Sturtz the respect of telling her to take the mike to let her make her case to the room, but the woman refused a golden opportunity. So she wasn't there for that purpose.

As far as the 'I was stunned' routine, she clearly intended to 'stun' everyone there and 'stun' or silence Michelle. The FLOTUS handled it with grace, but some think she should have bowed her head in shame and taken a beat down.

I'm not sure in what universe it is people think this is effective. Maybe those accustomed to watching television with bad actors who use volume in a failed attempt to ratchet up emotion and interest, might find this valuable. From the 'Hey, look at me!' school of cheap thrills drama. Meh.

Heckling is not the practice of talking to anyone, but talking at a person in order to insult, embarrass, degrade or shut them up.

It's a monologue of the heckler's own opinion and no one else's, not sharing the same space with others that may very well agree. No answer will be allowed by the heckler but subservience by the heckled and total agreement.

It's not intended for dialogue, but to silence the other, and to influence those watching. It's a power play. This disruption was not about getting a voice in a hostile environment. It was pushing the limits of public discourse in order to end discourse, period.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
162. Too bad there's no video. Secret Service was watching. Not overreacting, but alert.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:46 PM - Edit history (2)

EDIT: Because of more information from links. From people that were there and more statements. The agents were paying attention but they didn't pull any stunts as we're accustomed to seeing from the RW crowd.

Real examples of suppressing free speech by the GOP/ Tea Party:

The Bush era free speech zones, all visitors vetted and no opposing voices allowed...

Rand Paul
's security's knocking down a woman and stomping her head on the curve in 2010.

Joe Miller
's security denying reporters rights that same year.

Paul Ryan having seniors daring to quetion him manhandled and arrested in 2012.

Wisconsin, Texas, Michigan, etc. and now weekly in North Carolina..
.

Really, the list goes on.

There is no improper behavior by Democrats or the Secret Service as proven by numerous incidents showing just how open this administration is to the public.

But media, especially conservative venues, will use this to smear Michelle AND gays.


CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
5. Good for FLOTUS
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jun 2013

The heckler should take her fight to the ACTUAL enemy and spend $500 on a more productive effort.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
25. I am torn on this whole thing...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jun 2013

but your statement reads like it is good that our betters are scaring the common folk.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
30. If it reads that way...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:44 PM
Jun 2013

...it's because you're reading that into it. Nothing in it says or implies any such thing. It was a simple statement that he was glad one jerk got put in her place. There was zero mention of "betters" or "common" people.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
63. That's the trope all the Obama haters have gotten into their heads today
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jun 2013

The "royalty" and the "common" people.

It's as embarrassing as it is stupid.

The Obama haters are really showing they ass as racist scumshits over this one. They were waiting for an opportunity to pounce on "uppity" (or "chip on her shoulder&quot Michelle Obama for years now.

To quote my man Ice Cube, "Nothing but a come up / But ain't that a bitch / They hate to see...." (finish that line, and you'll have a good sense of the haters' mentality).

movonne

(9,623 posts)
90. I don't think that this lady was a Obama hater...she
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jun 2013

had a cause and didn't use good sense presenting her cause...

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
181. I get what you're saying and it IS ridiculous.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jun 2013

I guess the new approach to gin up anger at the POTUS/FLOTUS is to paint them as economic "others", despite the fact that they both came from poverty and earned what they have...the very antithesis of the welfare stereotype the Right wants to advance, and one more thing the Right can't pin on them, driving THEM crazy.

...and here they're portrayed as some imperial king and queen, even though the President won't govern like one.



Apparently some need to figure out how to channel their hatred, anger and resentment at the Obamas while trying to fly under the radar.

Obama Derangement Syndrome abounds all over.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
92. I really have no problem with what Michelle did...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jun 2013

but I also have no problem with the heckler- they are to be expected when you are a public figure. What I took exception to was that he said he hoped this public figure scared the heckler. I don't think she was trying to intimidate, but the person who I responded to seemed to be applauding intimidation.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
246. I havent read anything scolding Obama for her response,
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jun 2013

but then Ive had a long day at work too. Maybe I missed something. as the OP said, I cant STAND hecklers left or right. It does nothing but make you look like a fool. It sure doesnt help your cause.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
154. Not at all
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jun 2013

But then again I wouldn't consider someone that pays $500 to go to a private home for an event and then raises a ruckus at said event "common folk".

She got owned by MO. I give her credit for at least realizing that.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
156. Yeah, I mis-read what you said...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jun 2013

I will say that the Obamas do deal with hecklers much better than their predecessors. Had it been a Bush function, someone would have gone to jail.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
10. The amount of disrespect the first couple
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jun 2013

has endured is unprecedented. I don't blame the Michelle for her response, this is getting old. Does this heckler really believe that this President is not supportive of her cause? Did she really think that heckling the First Lady would force the President to sign an Executive Order? Great strategy there, much better than waiting for the Q&A and making a reasoned argument for her cause.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
53. The comments that the FLOTUS has endured as a woman of color since 2008 have sickened me. It's as if
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013
every bottom feeding scoundrel feels free to denigrate her body, her mind and everything else.

To me it's not just about her being a woman, but being a woman of color. They have had to live through all the brutality and every bit of filth tossed at them as if they are not humans.

It says a lot more about their detractors than it does them, yet they persist in exercising their sense of entitlement to spit on her heart.

The heckler had her issue but this comes off as I see often, that the poor and minorities weren't important to her. They have no money to travel to these venues. Taking advantage of what some think should be the First Lady's role as a woman is wrong.

She is a professional working for those with no voice on matters of life and death. Lives that don't seem to matter much to Libertarians who often show up to heckle the Obamas. But to those that know them, their lives are important.

Rebl

(149 posts)
180. You are
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jun 2013

so right. From what I've seen heckling gets the person no where except invited to leave. Like you said better to wait for the Q&A to state your case.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. If Michelle or any politician refuses to speak at private/elite fundraisers then I shall applaud
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jun 2013

Pulling massive rank on a heckler, not so much. But for now, our casual acceptance of our real masters continues apace.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
15. For five hundred bucks, I'm sure that Ellen Sturz could have afforded her own microphone
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jun 2013

Instead, she turned down the one that Michelle Obama tried to hand her.

Don't you have a parade to rain on or something?

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
38. Fair point
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jun 2013

She's obviously the elite . . . OR . . . someone put her up to it. So who put her up to if if she didn't have the money herself?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
16. Protester had massive disrespect for the plight of inner-city children
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jun 2013

Which was the subject of the talk that she interrupted.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
106. A "talk" about the plight of inner-city children
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jun 2013

At a, no doubt, luxurious private home for $500 bucks a plate. And no one sees the irony in this?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
122. Irony that $500 a plate is going to inner-city children? We should be upset about that?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jun 2013

Please elaborate.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
141. Going to the DNC, as far as I can tell
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jun 2013
First lady Michelle Obama had a rare run-in with an audience heckler Tuesday during a fund-raising event in Washington for the Democratic National Committee.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/04/first-lady-clashes-with-protester-threatens-to-leave-event/


Children did get mentioned in her speech, but so did Democratic supporters, writing checks for elections, knocking on doors, and many parts of the Democratic platform. This is a standard party political speech; it's not specifically about children, inner-city or otherwise.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
138. Five hundred a plate is chickenfeed. Mitt "Trees the Right Height" Romney didn't do those gigs for
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jun 2013

less than a grand a plate, and much more frequently the elites paid twenty five grand--and UP.

You DO understand that all that money goes to HELP the plight of those inner city kids, and that Michelle isn't running off with a sack of dough for appearing at the event...?

What's ironic is that you think it's odd that you go looking for money to support a cause from people who HAVE money.

You want she should pass the hat at the diner on skid row? Yeah, that's the ticket!

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
146. The protester paid the money, too, presumably
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jun 2013

And wouldn't you think it equally ironic to be protesting discrimination in federal contracting there, too? And is that more important than child proverty?

Give me a break.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
159. Apparently the protester's activist group paid the bill and planted the protester there to do the
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jun 2013

deed. http://www.theroot.com/blogs/grapevine/why-heckling-michelle-obama-doesnt-pay

Sturtz, who was planted at the fundraiser by gay rights group GetEqual, stated that she was "taken aback" by Obama's response, because apparently the idea that she would do anything besides hand Sturtz the microphone and get her husband on the phone is surprising. Perhaps sensing that the first lady would no doubt be labeled an "angry black woman" for responding the way most people would, black folks on Twitter tweeted their support.


GetEqual can GetStuffed, as far as I'm concerned. Why aren't they boldly going where no one has gone before, and heckling Speaker Bonehead in support of a change in the law? Why is that "too hard" for them? Because he'll say no? Why not make his life miserable until he says yes? Why not go to the guy who can put the issue on the agenda for a House vote, instead of crying for a stopgap measure that -- should a GOP president return to the White House--will be used as toilet paper and will throw the whole Equality movement ten steps back? Alienating people friendly to your cause is just hubris-laden attention seeking, and it backfires as we have seen in this instance.

Heckling people who support equality is stupid. Demanding a "stopgap measure" that could expire when this President departs office is doubly stupid. Three years of expectations, maybe even seven or eleven (assuming we can elect another Dem POTUS)... quite possibly followed by four years of setback? Maybe eight? Yeah, that's a plan--not. Work for the permanent solution, and direct that ire at people -- like Congressmen who refuse to support equality-- who deserve it--not spouses who are not on the payroll.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
166. Yes, but you know what the meme is, that 'Democrats are spineless' and won't fight back.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jun 2013

Going to the root - Teahadists - would be hard. GWB wouldn't have allowed any of them in the door to begin with.

Can't figure out if his was a Libertarian (Koch funded) effort or Log Cabin (also Koch funded, like the entire GOP) incident.

They'll use it to fire up the RWNJs with the 'see, blacks are getting out of hand' tactic to get them to vote. It's the only thing to top the 'angry black people' and the Obama royalty/dictator pictures they post on the net:



Those images don't leave the subconscious. So the non-verbal cue filters the words that follow.

Their other tactic is much more effective. By ratfucking DU they demoralize Democrats and get them to not show up to vote.

They win either way.

There are many pictures of the 'angry black people' on the net. They will be used for this event today. This is just one:



That will be used for this event today.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
169. Which is why I say to these so-called activists, if they want to make change, direct their
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:05 PM
Jun 2013

ire towards people who OPPOSE change, not people who support it. They don't like "spineless?" Why don't they try not being spineless, and taking their message where it needs to be heard, instead of preaching to the choir, like they ALWAYS do?

What also kills me is how many people who call themselves progressives and liberals will tolerate the shitty treatment of the Obamas, and the not-so-subtle racist overtones, too.

emulatorloo

(44,130 posts)
244. "By ratfucking DU they demoralize Democrats and get them to not show up to vote."
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jun 2013

Amen! Thank you so much for posting this.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
314. I was just looking at GetEQUAL's website.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jun 2013

They operate out of Berkeley.

When I lived in Berkeley I saw some STRANGE SHIT coming from purportedly left groups.

They have nothing to say about this recent embarrassment.

They have nothing, NOTHING, good to say about the Obamas.

I think they may well be a RW or Libertarian backed shell disruptor group.

http://getequal.org/blog/2013/02/07/release-pres-obama-participates-in-prayer-breakfast-supporting-anti-lgbt-legislation/

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
331. Not to sound like a conspiracy freak,
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:58 PM
Jun 2013

but I sometimes wonder if we have posters like that on this site. It seems like whenever Obama does or supports something that the Left agrees with, his biggest critics are rarely anywhere to be seen in the comments. Yet during other times, they all but call on him to act like some king who can bypass Congress and disobey the checks-and-balances system. Unemployment isn't lowering quick enough? Well it would be if it weren't for Republicans blocking Jobs Bills.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. If you believe that you have 'masters', that's wholly on you.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jun 2013

If you believe that you have 'masters', that's wholly on you and your own decisions in life. However, it may be less than accurate to casually apply that nom de'plume to everyone else...

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
113. Ah yes...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jun 2013

From the age of uniformity, from the age of solitude, from the age of Big Brother, from the age of doublethink — greetings!

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
101. That reaction is interesting...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

In todays society were any comment on the internet is, for the most part, anonymous; when one makes a comment on a forum, one can not choose to reply or simply delete the message (on many forums) without even reading it.

However, due to that kind of mentality, when someone is actually confronted in real life, I find it really interesting how someone who is generally a jerk on the internet suddenly is humbled in person.

It's certainly an interesting duality that is taking place in society as a whole.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
160. Best Advice is to NOT take advice from the Internet Tough Guy Quarterly:
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jun 2013


Because as you pointed out so well, it can be a humbling experience in real life.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
121. Maybe people *should expect to be confronted* when they confront others, instead of being one-sided.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jun 2013

I'm always amazed and humbled by the patience and graciousness of the Obamas. Michelle has had her patience worn thin after years of being mocked for her body and every single idea she dares to put forward which is her right as FLOTUS and an intelligent, hard-working professional woman.

Who just *happens* to be black, which some believe means she should 'just take it' as that is what they expect from blacks, to just put up with whatever white people dish out at them. We see this in the arrogance of O'Reilly, Rush, Boortz, and most of the GOP. I want those days to be over with, right now.

The people she was meeting to get support for the millions who are suffer and die who represent generations who have been held back by race for centuries, and are still dying long after the 'peculiar institution of Negro slavery' was said to end, are in a learning curve. Most have never dealt with the implications of a belief system that their social destiny was based on the color of their skin which they have been unable to escape. You cannot hide being black and it shouldn't be a crime, but in this country, it is in most cases.

The people she is working to help are disenfranchised by a poverty that those who can afford $500 to attend a meeting cannot begin to understand. They are weary of being treated as if they don't exist. I believe Michelle wants to keep the promise their hope in her and Barack that their day has come after centuries of race hate. And although she has achieved much in this life, she still feels their disappointment keenly.



JMHO.

sheshe2

(83,773 posts)
184. You are correct, freshwest.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jun 2013

The hate and abuse that has been heaped upon our President AND Our First Lady, appall's me.

Does it surprise me that such disrespect is being thrown so freely. Sadly no.


Obama advocated of her husband's policy priorities by promoting bills that support it. Obama hosted a White House reception for women's rights advocates in celebration of the enactment of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 Pay equity law. She supported the economic stimulus bill in visits to the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development and United States Department of Education. Some observers looked favorably upon her legislative activities, while others said that she should be less involved in politics. According to her representatives, she intends to visit all United States Cabinet-level agencies in order to get acquainted with Washington.

Snip:

Michelle Obama stated that her goal was to make this effort her legacy: "I want to leave something behind that we can say, ‘Because of this time that this person spent here, this thing has changed.’ And my hope is that that’s going to be in the area of childhood obesity."[96] Her 2012 book American Grown: The Story of the White House Kitchen Garden and Gardens Across America is based on her experiences with the garden and promotes healthy eating.[100] Her call for action on healthy eating has been echoed by the United States Department of Defense, which has been facing an ever expanding problem of recruit obesity.[101]

Snip:

Michelle Obama has been an advocate of the LGBT rights. In the 2008 US presidential election, Michelle boasted, to gay Democrat groups, her husband's record on LGBT rights, including, his cosponsoring of a bill amending the Illinois Human Rights Act to include protections for LGBT people which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity in the workplace, housing, and all public places, his support for the Illinois gender violence act, his support for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, his support for hate crimes protection for sexual orientation and gender identity, his support for renewed effort to fight HIV and AIDS, his support for repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, his support for a full repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, his support for civil unions, and his opposition to constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage in the federal, California, and Florida constitutions. She said that the US Supreme Court delivered justice in the Lawrence v. Texas case and drew a connection between the struggles for gay rights and civil rights by stating “We are all only here because of those who marched and bled and died, from Selma to Stonewall, in the pursuit of a more perfect union,”[102][103][104]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama

I applaud our First Lady ~

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
192. Don't forget the VAWA which the GOP kept trying to deny LGBT and Natives from being covered.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jun 2013

Equality is what Michelle and Barack are all about. I see no heckling of the people blocking equal rights and who are against things progressives and liberals support, but only on those who are fighting for them.

I'd ask 'Who's kidding who' but there will be no answer. Another day, another faux outrage by media. They never get upset by the RW spouting hate about women, the poor, minorities and gays. So they are not Dems, but working for the other side to hurt the causes they claim to support that are our platform.

calimary

(81,283 posts)
127. Nominated for Quote of the Year.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jun 2013

Good Grief. I guess no one expects any consequences for their actions anymore.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
14. It was a speech about impoverished inner-city children
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jun 2013

And this self-important person (who apparently must've paid $200 to get in) decides that her issue about federal contractors and discrimination is more important than the subject at hand?

I agree that these hecklers do nobody (including their own causes) any good. There's a time and a place for principled intervention. And it should be rare, very rare, if it's going to be effective. This was neither the time nor the place, and it did nothing to advance the protester's cause.

I feel very sorry that the hecklers have been mainly women lately. Not that we women don't have a right to scream every once in a while. But to scream off-topic is not the right channel for advancing one's cause. You'll only end up hurting it.

Audio of part of FLOTUS's talk, plus intervention, below:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/lgbt-rights-activist-heckles-flotus-at-dem-fundraiser

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
327. The heckler didn't give a shit. Her cause was more important that any other.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jun 2013

Sounds so.......teabaggerish to me.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
17. Josh Marshall called her "the David Broder of hecklers."
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jun 2013

i.e. heckling, and then being taken aback by the lack of civility after she heckled. Pretty funny line.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
20. It was a private affair so people had paid to be there.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jun 2013

People had obviously paid for tickets, etc. to be there to hear Michelle Obama. Not some heckler.

And while I think the heckling of anyone, in particular, is pretty much rude and useless, I would certainly NOT expect to have to put up with it had I paid money to hear a speech by a specific person. Same with going to a concert to hear an artist sing and having to listen to some idiot next to me talking on a cell phone, interfering with the ability to enjoy what you've paid to hear.

And no, I don't think hecklers would be as bold as they seem to be if it were not a Black First Family occupying the White House.

I like the way Mrs. Obama handled this.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
22. After listening to the audio
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jun 2013

the First Lady's response makes even more sense. She was talking about something very dear to her -- the plight of inner city children. She wasn't talking about the weather or stumping for a candidate, but speaking very passionately about a topic she cares deeply about. And right in the midst of it she's rudely interrupted. That the heckler is "disappointed" that her rude behavior was confronted, and that the entire crowd (which paid to her FLOTUS, not her) supported Michelle, is just rich.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
24. There's a time and a place
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

for heckling. That time and place are when a speaker is lying shamelessly or is egregiously violating the informal protocols of public decorum. It is never the time merely because one differs with or is unsatisfied by another persons position.

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
27. She is the most impressive first lady I can remember...and I remember Mamie!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jun 2013

Her intelligence, style, wit and honesty are just a few of the qualities I so admire.

EC

(12,287 posts)
28. They've got to realize an executive order is over with
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jun 2013

when the President leaves office. And besides that I'm guessing if he did it the Senate would just table any further legislation on gay rights because the order would have "taken care of it" and they won't have to put their asses on the line with votes. So IMO an executive order would just gum up things for a long time (especially if a repub gets in next time around)

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
33. Actually, no it isn't
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:51 PM
Jun 2013

An Executive Order becomes a standing rule for the Executive Branch until it's replaced/repealed by another one. If every Executive Branch policy expired at the end of a Presidential term, the Government would grind to a halt.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
64. Depends on the Order...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jun 2013

"Environmental Justice" was an EO imposed by President Clinton. It's been in effect ever since.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
245. Please give your details on this EO and how it was enforced in the Bush administration when he
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:40 PM
Jun 2013

rolled back black lung benefits, lowered standards on allowable contaminants from coal burning electrical generation facilities?

When Bush loosened inspection of polluting businesses to allow voluntary inspection by business without being fined, defunded EPA superfund sites, and didn't enforce federal rules which resulted in the West, TX disaster and others, did not prosecute damage to native and minority communities under his watch, what kind of environmental justice are you talking about?

How did this environmental justice EO work after Clinton left office to protect those groups?

I'm not disputing what you say, was you may have experience or knowledge in this field, but I remember the Bush years and his environmental record was not a good one in my eyes and did not create any form of environmental justice.

So kindly inform me, as I must have missed something that you did not in those years.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
251. From the EPA:
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jun 2013
Environmental Justice is the fair treatment and meaningful involvement of all people regardless of race, color, national origin, or income with respect to the development, implementation, and enforcement of environmental laws, regulations, and policies. EPA has this goal for all communities and persons across this Nation. It will be achieved when everyone enjoys the same degree of protection from environmental and health hazards and equal access to the decision-making process to have a healthy environment in which to live, learn, and work.


I've had to prepare or evaluate environmental documents for agency projects for the past 15 years. The EJ regs were the same under Clinton, Bush and Obama.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
266. Thanks. What of the changes Bush made? I don't consider them just, or environmental.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jun 2013

And a policy cannot be enforced if it is not funded.

I hold that a policy or an EO has no bearing in reality and will never meet the lofty goals stated in the piece quoted, if there is not enough money to hire staff to enforce regulations.

They become without effect, and the government under Bush was hallowed out nationally. Not just with environmental rules in the CFRs.

I saw what he did in Texas prior to the presidency and the same tactic was used there to hide what he had done and prevent debate. The facade of the agencies were there. But when people went expecting help, even if they qualified or their case was valid and met legal definitions, they had no money.

Are you saying environmental justice since Bush has made a difference and that polluters are being regulated after he made that voluntary?

After he changed other rules?

I understand you did the paper work for legal purpose, and may have helped a company who had best intentions to meet the goals suggested. But you may not have lived with the lack of regulation due to not funding enforcement powers.

I appreciate your answer and would appreciate more.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
238. +1111
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jun 2013

It is so ridiculous this obsession with executive orders. During the DADT overturning, which the President wanted to be by legislation, because that is much stronger, there were tons of posts on the board screaming about how the President was a bigot because he could just do away with it with a "stroke of his pen." Which any R President can simply undo.

People don't know how the system works and in such cases, their contribution is little.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
29. Bullies usually get surprised when someone stands up the them
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:44 PM
Jun 2013

I guess Sturtz thought she was going to take advantage of "No Drama Obama". Wrong one, dummy.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
35. OBAMA can go to hell with her disrespect
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

EQUALITY DELAYED IS EQUALITY DENIED



Ellen Sturz is a REAL AMERICAN HERO

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
282. Here's a book recommendation for you
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jun 2013

Since you like to assume everyone is a bigot:



It might actually do some good for that chip on your shoulder.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
283. I am just fine the way I am
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:27 AM
Jun 2013

ANd yes, the people I call bigots, are.

If you are not for full and immediate equality - you are a bigot
If you try to minimialize the discrimination that gays face - you are a bigot
If you are more concerned about cheap political points than equality - you are a bigot.
If you tell me to keep quiet, you already have plenty of rights - you are a bigot

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
290. You seem awfully judgemental...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

...for someone that likes to portray themselves as better than the 4 points listed in your post.

"do as I say, not as I do" seems like your meme...and it's pathetic.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
342. No - there is objective standards on bigotry
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:23 AM
Jun 2013

Supporting immediate equality takes you out of the bigot camp.


I am sorry if the truth hurts.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
344. Sounds like objective standards to me
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013

Someone says "I don't support what person A has done (because of their behavior), and you call them a bigot. Once again got.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
44. Respect given
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jun 2013

Is respect returned in spades.

If you want Mrs. Obama to do something - then get her elected to office.


Why should one black woman take one ounce of shit from one white woman? What did Ms. Sturz want? Mrs. Obama to come fan her down? She treated Mrs. Obama like a maid in The Help and expected to get respect? That's just rich.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
49. I don't see that way… I think that race has a lot to do with this.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jun 2013

But then, after all, I'm black.

Or does that not matter here?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
256. Absolutely and it does have to do with race imo & what they are used to getting away re: minorities
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:59 AM
Jun 2013

of course I remember at the beginning of the tea party scourge many here argued that racism had nothing to do with their antics & appeal
and perhaps,...still think that

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
50. Everything
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jun 2013

I've seen great strides made for the GLBT community since President Obama has been in office.

You don't think it's at ALL significant?


Because us black folks? We've had to take a seat at the back of the bus this ENTIRE Presidency. She was talking about poor little black and hispanic kids (for the most part - the poor inner city).


And don't think we haven't seen how about a third of the Democratic party has 'tolerated' the President and Mrs. Obamas skin. We see it.

And for ONCE she got to speak about poor minority kids - and this asshole has to go and make it about her.


And if you DON'T think 99% of the bullshit thrown at this President, his wife, his children, his mother has been about his skin color - then you are delusional. She sounded no different to me than Ted Nugent or Ann Coulter or Newt GingriNch, or Ted Cruz etc. etc.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
54. You are projecting racism on the GLBT community
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013

And to the hero Sturz

Yes, there are plenty of racists that hate the Obamas because they are black.

But you diminish the effect when you claim racism every time someone disagrees with them.


So we are not allowed to criticize the Obamas?


I voted twice for President Obama. Race had zero to do with my vote

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
65. Good for you
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jun 2013

And you should have! He did things that we thought would NEVER happen in our life time for the GLBT community.


But - if the GLBT community INDIVIDUAL member acts like A drooling idiot IndieTeaPublican (code for bigot) - then I WILL show them how they are acting JUST LIKE a jackhammer in a tricorn hat.


And every last one of THOSE PEOPLE are bigots.


So either be polite - or get lumped in with the dregs. She's getting lumped in with the dregs - because she acted just like one of them.

To INCLUDE getting whiny and cry baby because Mrs. Obama had the nerve to put her in her place.

She couldn't have raised her hand and politely ASKED to speak? She couldn't have approached her after the event?

Behave like a jack ass, get treated like one and have people believe you are one.


She's not a hero. She's a rich elite woman who acted like a spoiled little snot and for once didn't get a pony or lollipop and is now whining about it. Ohh - but the tall girl was mwweeaaan to meeeeeeeeeeeeee. Well yeah - you were mean to her first.

More elected Democratics should act like Mrs. Obama did. Maybe then the IndieTeaPubs would shut the fuck up already.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
68. I came across this story on Tumblr, as it was posted by a black lesbian that I follow
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jun 2013

Would you like to see HER take on all of this?

Here's her post:

The fact that this white woman was taken aback by Michelle Obama refusing to be disrespected says everything you need to know about the engagement between white women and black women, especially in political spaces and discourse.

You disrespect us but then simultaneously expect us to cater to your whims, needs, and desires. Without backlash or consequence.

The white neo-liberal politic at work here, especially the white queer feminist neo-liberal politic. Where brown bodies are not important until they have something to be gained.

(I’m not even going to get into how short sighted executive orders for civil rights have historically been in terms of sustainable social change)

http://navigatethestream.tumblr.com/post/52222483293/first-lady-michelle-obama-confronts-gay-rights-heckler



MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
89. You bet. There's another opinion that I thought was important here
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:52 PM
Jun 2013

And that's the one being offered by Black Queer voices.

Interestingly enough, those voices are standing up for Mrs. Obama and NOT for Ms. Sturtz.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
100. To be honest...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jun 2013

I try to stay out of these DU frays on display in this thread.

Not judging, not blaming.

I'm a white, heterosexual female. I can try to empathize but just don't feel I can offer an informed opinion.

There's a lot of suffering and anger all around. Hell, I'm angry about the myriad injustices but can only speak intelligently about what I've experienced or witnessed directly. I just wish things were different, with true equality and social justice all the way around, but we all know we're far from that.



I appreciate seeing links like you shared though, for even more perspective.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
108. Here's some more information that I'd think you'd like
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jun 2013

An article about Respectability Politics.

Black women and the burden of respectability
Fame + Fortune
Illustration by Angie Wang

In February 2012, PBS host Tavis Smiley interviewed Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer about their Oscar nominations for their roles as Aibileen and Minny, Jim Crow–era domestic workers in The Help. “I’m pulling for both of you to win on Academy Award night,” Smiley ventured. “But there’s something that sticks in my craw about celebrating Hattie McDaniel so many years ago for playing a maid”—a reference to the actor who won for her role as Mammy in 1939’s Gone with the Wind. “I want you to win,” Smiley concluded, “but I’m ambivalent about what you’re winning for.”

Davis countered that it is hard for black actresses to find multifaceted roles in Hollywood, and that pressure from the black community to eschew portrayals that are not heroic makes it even harder: “That very mind-set that you have, and that a lot of African-Americans have, is absolutely destroying the black artist…. If your criticism is that you just don’t want to see the maid...then I have an issue with that. Do I always have to be noble?”

For black women, particularly those in the public eye, the answer to this question is often a resounding “Yes.” They are required to be noble examples of black excellence. To be better. To be respectable. And the bounds of respectability are narrowly defined by professional and personal choices reflecting the social mores of the majority culture—patriarchal, Judeo-Christian, heteronormative, and middle class.

Spencer ended up taking home an Oscar later that month for Best Supporting Actress (Davis lost to Meryl Streep for Best Actress), but Smiley had articulated a discomfort many in the black community felt about their big-screen roles. For all its popularity and acclaim, The Help illustrates that Hollywood still filters (and distorts) the lives and histories of minorities through the eyes of the majority; celebrates white saviors; and, 72 years post-Mammy, is still more comfortable casting black women as maids than as prime ministers, action heroes, or romantic leads.

http://bitchmagazine.org/article/no-disrespect




Something else to consider in light of Ms. Sturtz's confrontation of Mrs. Obama.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
265. "Black Queer voices...are standing up for Mrs. Obama and NOT for Ms. Sturtz."
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jun 2013

And that surprises... who, exactly???

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
123. I'm trying to decide what the right intersectional thing to do here for both women would have been
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jun 2013

Both women are the members of more than one discriminated against group. Seems like there should be an intersectional way they could have handled this that did not end up with a zero sum game, loser vs a winner.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
134. I seriously doubt that Sturtz would have been interested in any form of intersectionality at all
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

Ms. Sturtz started out by interrupting the First Lady in an attempt to usurp the narrative with a concern of her own and found out that the crowd would not support her when given an opportunity by Mrs. Obama.

It pretty much demonstrated the flaw in most hecklers' logic. There isn't any. They heckle because they want attention, yet without the added responsibility of having that attention.

She tried to ride Michelle's skirt tails was promptly told to, "Step off."

I'm with Michelle Obama all the way on this.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
116. This white guy is calling racist, too.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jun 2013

I have seen Michelle throw herself at nutrition and child nutrition programs that affect all of us for years. She set aside ONE day to discuss issues important to the black community, and Sturz decided that it was outrageous enough that she was going to interrupt and heckle Michelle.

Fuck her and fuck anyone in the LGBT community that thinks the social justice spotlight should be on them 100% of the time with no other important social issues allowed to be discussed until they get everything they want.

We're all in this together and that means giving mutual respect to important social justice causes beyond your own.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
332. Congress? What Congress?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:35 PM
Jun 2013

Obama is king--he can enact any law he wants to without Congress! He is just being his usual sellout, spineless moderate Republican self.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
51. no offense
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013

but bullshit

there's a time and place for these discussions and this was not the time nor the place

eissa

(4,238 posts)
55. So heckle those actually standing in the way
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jun 2013

of LGBT rights, i.e., not the first couple who have been very supportive. She could have done so much more for her cause if she simply waited for the Q&A portion and made a reasoned and intelligent argument at that point. She would have had not only the First Lady's attention (and probably support) but the entire room's as well. It was a Democratic fund-raiser for pete's sake, I'm sure the entire place was on board with her cause, just not her method. Opportunity totally wasted.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
60. The First Lady Wasn't Disrespectful
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jun 2013

The first lady was invited to speak. The audience paid to hear the first lady speak. The audience expected to hear the first lady speak and confirmed this...but asking the heckler to leave.

How was the first lady disrespectful?

I can't wait to hear this explanation. It's bound to be good.

A strange woman, standing up and interrupting the First Lady of the United States of America as she speaks passionately about poor, disadvantaged children is (to you) a real American hero.

The First Lady who has (dare I say it) the AUDACITY to think she should have the floor, because, she's the one that was invited to speak was disrespectful according to what... Bad Manners and Heckling 101?

See, that's the real problem, right there. Up is down, and down is up. No wonder DU is confused, half the time.

What should Mrs. Obama have done according to you?

Oh...I'm sorry, Ms. Sturtz. Although, the audience would like to hear me. Your voice is more important. Let me go sit down over here in the corner and then we will all listen to you. Then, I'll get on the phone and call my husband and tell him...I have just gone to a speaking engagement to hear Ms. Sturtz. And, she says she knows exactly what you need to do. By the way, she's free to also advise you on foreign affairs. But, she's going to be tied up the rest of this week. But, she may be able to squeeze you in next week.

Because apparently, the world revolves around Ms. Sturtz.

No...she found out the world does not revolve around her.

There is a time and place. Sturtz didn't pick the time or the place. In a 24 hour day, she picked an hour that didn't suit her objective. It happens. She didn't pick the right place. It happens.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
74. The FLOTUS isn't delaying or denying anything.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:30 PM
Jun 2013

She has no power over this issue except to express her opinion.

Ellen Sturz failed in her target selection process. She'd be better off heckling in the Congress, which is the proper venue for overturning DOMA/etc. Or in the Courts.

The executive is not a king, even if I grant that Michelle might have some influence over Barack's opinion on this issue. He has already directed the DoJ not to defend it anyway. It's up to the courts/legislature now. (And to us, the people)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
78. Since when is a woman standing up for herself disrespect?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jun 2013

I don't think either woman behaved inappropriately.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
93. Thank you. Michelle didn't back down.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jun 2013

I would have done the same thing. This was a private home. The heckler was standing right next to her. Yelling. What the fuck did she expect? A hug?

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
104. Ellen Sturz my well be a hero.....
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jun 2013

.....but it isn't because of her actions at this speech.

Her actions at this speech make her an asshole.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
136. Like Michelle Obama knows NOTHING about equality denied
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013

And she still doesn't have equality YET. This was NOT the time or place to heckle the First Lady. Yes I want equality too, but heckling the first lady is not how one does it. Perhaps the heckler could have asked Michelle a question after her speech.

thucythucy

(8,057 posts)
176. In general, I think it's tough to empathize
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jun 2013

with someone who is heckling you. Especially if she keeps at it after she's made her initial point.

I know I wouldn't be able to do it.

What do you think Ms. Obama's response should have been?



 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
177. Acknowledge the grave injustice done to GLBT Americans
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jun 2013

Promise to ask her husband to KEEP HIS WORD, and then ask the focus be turned back to the issue at hand - raising money.

Response to dbackjon (Reply #177)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
240. What word?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jun 2013

And does that apply to any of us. We can just take our issue and interrupt anyone else, any time? There will never be another speech given.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
190. Her lack of empathy???
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:55 PM
Jun 2013

Michelle Obama showed she lacked empathy by...expecting to be able to speak at an event that she was invited to speak at...???

I can't even fathom it.

How did Michelle Obama display a lack of empathy for a woman yelling at her while she was trying to speak?

So, was the first lady supposed to be quiet while the heckler spoke? Is that it?

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
163. As a gay man, Ellen Sturz began the disrespect.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jun 2013

By definition.

It was rude and from my own viewpoint, reflects badly on our community.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
171. Yep. Sturtz playing the victim only diminishes her standing.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jun 2013

"I was taken aback."

Really?

What did she think was going to happen? Spontaneous applause? A ticker-tape parade? A revolution?

She was rude (not just to Ms. Obama, but to everyone in attendance) and got called out for it.



Pisces

(5,599 posts)
42. I love her response!! This woman did not expect to be engaged directly? She
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jun 2013

Wanted to shout at someone and the person just take it. Mrs. O just let everyone know that she is not President Obama, and she doesn't have to be gracious to rude people!!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
43. Hmmm.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jun 2013

I obviously wasn't there but personally, would have preferred if FLOTUS would have countered with "We can discuss your issue after I'm finished here. This is a different subject matter entirely. Please sit down." or something like that in a firm tone, but to say something to the effect of "either shut up or I'm leaving" sounds like something a teenager would do, not a lawyer/mother of teenagers.

JHMO, flame away.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
58. I agree 100%, and just said so
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jun 2013

She sounded like a petulant child.

"If you don't shut up, I am going to take my ball and go home." And then allowed the others to bully the woman into silence.

I like Obama, but this makes me rethink her. I think she has been inside the bubble too long.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
98. that's my only beef, and it's not really a beef, per se..
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jun 2013

my beef is more with the people cheering Michelle on. it could've been handled a lot better. smacks of do you know who I am?

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
47. I distinctly recall
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jun 2013

Our First Lady expressing her role as a mother first and foremost. She handled this like a mom with a rude and unruly child... not that this Sturtz woman was not advocating a worthy cause (I am not up to date on the issue but still) she was disrespectful to the cause Mrs. Obama was speaking about and to claim that "getting down in her face" was unexpected, well it makes me laugh. If you are going to be confrontational in an erratic fashion, you should anticipate an unusual response. Mrs. O certainly handled it well and with class and intellect. Good on her. As for the heckler, I hope she learned something of value from the experience with regard to respect and staying on topic.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
52. I have to say, if Laura Bush did this, you all would be reacting with outrage
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013

MO was speaking, and when interrupted, sounded like a child who was going to take her microphone and go home.

I like Michelle Obama, but think she handled this very poorly. She could have spoken to the woman for a moment and asked her for respect, but instead, she threatened the crowd with leaving, and got them to bully the heckler.

Doesn't sit right with me.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
102. Yup, me too.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jun 2013

I would have been shocked if Laura Bush had stood up for herself. Heckler would have been strong armed out of the room.

calimary

(81,283 posts)
142. Heckler wouldn't even have gotten NEAR the room.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jun 2013

Has everyone here forgotten the infamous "First Amendment Zones" that were always set up BLOCKS away from any bush gathering - so far away that the press wasn't there and the protesters were rendered completely irrelevant? People were subjected to searches before they were allowed to enter. It was always invitation only. Cherry-picked audience-members to make sure only the "chosen" followers and sycophants were allowed in. For the entire last "presidency," it was like that. I've noticed the glaring difference, since then, between the bush/cheney years and the Obama years. There was zero tolerance of ANY opposing views from 2001-2009. NOBODY outside the bubble got a fair hearing, or even a chance to confront the "king."

Since the beginning of the Obama years, that whole feeling changed. It seemed as though the doors were opened a lot wider and anyone could come in, regardless, and at least get their few moments to vent. What would have happened if some hothead Dem shouted "You LIE!" at bush during one of the State of the Union addresses? Such an individual would have been rudely and abruptly escorted OUT, and then the press would have rained down its own criticism - "how DARE you do that to the President during the SOTU!?!?!?!?" But some pipsqueak like joe wilson hollers it out during President Obama's SOTU and is damn near lionized for it. AND he was allowed to stay for the rest of the speech, instead of being taken by the scruff of the neck and kicked out the door.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
281. Heck, I give her husband props for dodging that shoe.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:55 AM
Jun 2013

If only he had been that alert and nimble before 9/11/01.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
120. And you heard the recording?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jun 2013

The arrogance of interrupting the speaker and expecting them to hand you a positive result on a platter? Really?

The heckler could have taken a more positive approach for making a demand.

jen63

(813 posts)
349. The point, is that Laura Bush would NEVER
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jun 2013

have been put in that position in the first place. Like others have pointed out, the level of disrespect and contempt levied at this couple is unprecedented. Pure bigotry.

a kennedy

(29,669 posts)
56. I thought bravo Mrs. Obama.....someone has got to put a stop to this madness of interrupting anyone
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jun 2013

who's giving a speech. It's just disrespectful, period, and I don't care who's speaking.....

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
67. True.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jun 2013

Funny cause the right was pushing so hard to end affirmative action and do away with laws against discrimination before the president was elected but after the past five years of outright ugly open bigotry they've shown that if anything we need to double down on that stuff for a generation or two more.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
295. No... I don't think race was the ultimate motivator
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jun 2013

I do however think race played into how the situation was approached and handled.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
99. While I agree with Maher's sentiments, I don't think this was at all about race.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jun 2013

It was a left-leaning activist behaving like a teabagger, and throwing a tantrum because she isn't getting every she wants right NOW. I don't know why this twit thought she was going to accomplish anything by harassing Mrs. Obama, who has no say-so in any of it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
132. I didn't say it was about race, but as the first black family, that's the atmosphere nationally.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jun 2013

She's been attacked since Day One and I am amazed she has held it together in the face of an army of hypocrites attacking her, her children and husband.

I am tired of teabaggers of ALL persuasions, who demand to be addressed immediately, just stop every damn thing, and to hell with every other person around them, or else they pitch a fit and scream repression.

And you are correct, she has no say-so on law. It was just venting on the FLOTUS, since human rights are not a matter of pillow talk and opinion between her and Barack, but law.

I believe this was not an honest act on the part of the protestor, but done to divide Democrats. It will work, too, just watch.




GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
140. You got no argument from me.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jun 2013

I'm sick of the teabaggers demanding instant gratification, too. But, I'm just as sick of it coming from the Left. I don't know if this woman was really trying to divide the Dems, although judging by what I'm seeing here at DU, she's doing just that. Personally, I think she is just attention-hungry.

I'm also really sick of people demanding the president write executive orders. He has been bending over backwards to make sure changes that are made are permanent. That isn't going to be accomplished by executive orders. What's this woman going to do if Chris Christie becomes president and reverses them?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
153. This reminds me of the hecklers from the right, and the one on Gitmo.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:08 PM
Jun 2013

And really, they know better if they know anything about the Constitution. The Libertarians will use any of the traditional issues to split Democrats, but they are just giving them lip service right now.

Obama has already issued federal changes in Medicare and hospital rules which was in his power, to stop some of the worst abuses of gays which was the cruelty of denying hospital visitation. But that's not a LAW.

And yes, EO's get overturned, and they have NO funding for enforcement if the House of Representatives can defund whatever they say. The POTUS does not have the power of the purse, Congress does, and he has to shuffle around for funds. It takes changing Congress to get all that we want done.

I just found the video of the first time I heard John Kerry speak in public in 1971 when I was there for the anti-war demo April 24th. There were over 200,000 of us there, but some said it was half a million. Only one senator came out to see us, and John Kerry who was leading the VVAW spoke of that.

He said if those in office would not bring the troops home, we would go to the polls to remove them and then transform the government ourselves. A lot got accomplished in those days. But now we have people saying not to vote, pointing up the faults of liberals, progressive and Dems, and it always turns out they are Libertarians who profit by the status quo now, and would be better off without all that pesky government that Kerry spoke of transforming society, and did.

Libertarians don't want that in the long run, they want the government to have no power to end discrimination and regulate and change things that way. That leads to more power for the well off and those were the people that I feel Michelle was speaking about to people with money.

Agree on the attention seeking and instant gratification... How many millions in this country have not recieved either? The activist could have waited to the end to say her piece, but at times it appears activists have no heart for anything but the group they say they represent. Do we know anything about her, except she got her moment of fame?

We've seen so many people take a piss on the Obamas, not because they care or because they are truly concerned. They are making political points for the media to grind out to make the White House look bad. She would have gotten her issue answered, which she likely knew Michelle was incapable of helping with, at the end of the presentation.

But now she has media face time and a platform to say that Michelle Obama is out of line, and that she doesn't care. What is really going on here?

Libertarians won't acknowledge that centuries of slavery and racial discrimination in this country have made an unequal playing field that libertarianism does not have a solutions for, except the invisible hand of the market and other magical ideas. They are doing a good job of destroying the Demcratic Party by pretending to be liberal or progressive. If they were, they would embrace lifting up the poor that Michelle was making an impassioned case there.

And there are some on the Left who want the Democrats to fail in 2014 and 2016, just as they advocated even here on DU, as they think a glorious uprising of the miserable will lead to their revolution. Guess who dies first in all of these processes?

Not those with means who are cheering storming the Bastille, but the poor who are suffering now. When Libertarians come here and attack Democrats for what they can use a wedge on social safety net issues, I cannot forget that they don't believe in having one period.

When I see them wail about the justice system, I cannot forget that they want all regulation and laws and courts, public schools, fire fighters and public hospitals to all go away and be privatized. Their starve the goverment plan eliminates public defenders, diversion plans for those who would be locked up, and a fair appeal process for the poor.

So, they want the government gone, and who will get health care, decent housing, food and water other than the rich, and who will not get them?

So I have little patience on this, as I feel that I am being lied to, and I appreciate your take on the matter.

Cha

(297,254 posts)
157. Hi fresh.. and she still held it together. I found this on TOD from someone who was there
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jun 2013

at the Fundraiser..

From Gwendolyn in the comments:

There were 2 hecklers…a guy and this woman. I attended the fundraiser. The young man yelled out, and the woman joined. The female heckler was within the view of the First Lady. Supporters around the female heckler (including me!) were being vocal about the heckling. There was some movement in the group, and I think the First Lady was actually trying to take the sting out of the situation. Our First Lady Did Not over-react. I believe she was making sure no one became aggressive.

Thankfully, we have such a positive and effective First Lady. The dumb republicans do not understand grace!

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/05/rise-and-shine-520/

And, some Tweets from "April"..

April @ReignOfApril

I want to get my point across at a private home fundraiser, I slip @FLOTUS an impassioned letter signed by many on my issue. Not heckle her.

April @ReignOfApril

You confront the wife of the leader of the free world but then are "taken aback" when she confronts you right back. That's privilege, folks.

April @ReignOfApril

Ellen Sturtz goes to heckle @FLOTUS in a private home & then describes the crowd's response as "unsettling & disturbing." Girl, bye.


Oh the Irony!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
161. Thanks for the additional take from someone who was actually there, Cha. It shows privilege, and a
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jun 2013
plan to get press coverage to bash the Obamas. It works very well.

Cha

(297,254 posts)
170. Here's another personal account of someone else who was at the fundraiser for inner city kids..
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:08 PM
Jun 2013
FLOTUS & The Heckler: South Side Chicago In The D.C. House!


First Lady Michelle Obama at a fundraiser before a heckler interrupts. Photo by SJSB.

http://mahoganie.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/flotus-the-heckler-south-side-chicago-in-the-d-c-house/

And, a blogger who 'splains the South Side of Chicago..

Michelle Obama Let a Protester Have It and I Approve!

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2013/06/michelle-obama-protester.html


An unrelated pic of Michelle looking like “AND?!? Whatchu gon do?”

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
338. Do you mean to purposefully conflate what the middle aged lesbian who wants her civil rights did...
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 06:03 AM
Jun 2013

with that Bill Maher quote?

I think the nice lesbian lady actually backed down, sans rage. Maybe she got that her timing was off.

But you seem to engage in some conflating of issues throughout the thread here. Do you think at her core, the lesbian lady is a good person? Do you think lesbians can be considered to be decent people at all, even if they get pushy, rude and insistent about equality? It's difficult to tell from all the conflating...and what-not, steam-rolling maybe? Just a little?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
72. So what, it was a private house not a public venue......
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jun 2013

if I was the host I'd would have asked her to leave my residence PDQ. She not only disrespected the FLOTUS she did so to all the attendees.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
83. "Racist" is a term that should be used cautiously.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jun 2013

Care to explain why you chose to use it in this context?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
125. because they don't know fuckall..
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jun 2013

people like to throw that term around whenever they can't form a cogent argument to back up their point of view. anyone and everyone that isn't 101% satisfied with Obama is clearly a racist.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
84. If she were a ANGRY BLACK WOMEN
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jun 2013

she would have kick her ass. I'm so sick and tired of the uppity and angry black shit. She human just like all the naysayers.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
86. Ellen Sturtz says she was 'surprised'..she should use all the interviews now- to make her point.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jun 2013

Mz. Sturtz, does have a good point, however she should have waited untill the end for questions and made her point then.

Really not fair to dominate a fundraiser when a small group of people did donate to have Mrs. Obama speak.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
87. Ms. Sturtz. Rudeness is NOT the way to lend credence to your cause. When you are being rude it
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jun 2013

should be dealt with in the manner of an adult scolding a 2 year old having a fit of temper. Our First Lady did just that. You would be better served joining a cause to have the laws changed, not just demanding you get your own brand of candy. And doing it in a respectful manner might just gain you some respect and a couple ears that will listen.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
103. I suppose you think Rosa Parks was rude for not following custom by refusing to give up her bus seat
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jun 2013

This is not the middle ages and Michelle Obama is not a queen for whom we are all to bow down to by penalty of death.

Sturtz is a hero and a true progressive by standing up and speaking out for civil rights.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
284. Rosa Parks was demanding her Constitutional rights in a public space.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jun 2013

Sturtz was running her mouth in a private venue, and was doing so against the wishes of the homeowner and those who were in attendance. Your attempt to equate the two is laughable at best, and could accurately be described as dishonest and insulting to a real hero. (In case you forgot, Rosa Parks went to jail, Sturtz was escorted from the room and didn't get to finish her $500 lunch.)

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
286. If the venue matters to you, then I question your commitment to Constitutional and civil rights
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jun 2013

The fact that you feel it is not OK for people to protest for LGBT rights also speaks volumes about your commitment to Democratic principles.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
288. Question away. At least you showed enough sense not to try and equate Sturtz with Rosa Parks again.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:06 PM
Jun 2013

So, tell me, should the First Lady be interrupted every time she makes a statement about anything other than GLBT rights?

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
289. I support any citizen directly questioning and criticizing people of authority and influence
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jun 2013

I don't care about the circumstances or the issue. The person likely is aware of any consequences that may befall them, so I applaud their courage to speak out.

This issue has made it clear that many, many people here on DU do not support LGBT civil rights. For me, civil rights trump decorum any and every day. Sturtz is a hero for championing civil rights, regardless of what people think of her methods.

It's funny how the people criticizing Sturtz are not criticizing President Obama for not signing the EO. If he had signed the EO when he promised he would sign it, then this event probably wouldn't happened. Sturtz is not to blame, Barack Obama is.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
293. I'll ask you again, should the First Lady be interrupted any time she addresses an issue other than
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

GLBT rights?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
296. No, you didn't. And this has now become akin to arguing with my nutcase, fundie, co-worker.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jun 2013

He, too, just makes shit up and throws it out there. Show us where you either said that Michelle Obama should or should not be interrupted every time she speaks to an issue other than LGBT rights. Not whether or not you support it in some cases, not amorphous bullshit about "questioning authority", just plain and simple, should it always happen? That was my question. You can answer it or not, but you can't pretend that you have done so when you have not.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
298. What does this statement mean to you?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:03 PM
Jun 2013

I support any citizen directly questioning and criticizing people of authority and influence.

MO is undeniably a person of influence. If someone wants to heckle or protest her, then they have my support. Is that clear enough for you?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
302. I didn't ask if you "support" it. The question I asked is SHOULD (see, that's the key word)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jun 2013

SHOULD Mrs. Obama be interrupted any time she speaks about an issue other than LGBT rights? You are more than willing to laud as a "hero" the person who did it this time. If indeed Sturtz's actions were "heroic", then SHOULD they not be repeated any time a speaker addresses a different topic?
But just for shits and giggles, if the First Lady WAS speaking out about LGBT rights in a setting where that topic had been advertised as the reason for her speech, and a teabagger interrupted her to begin railing against "Obamacare", "death panels", "socialism", and "traditional marriage"; would you support that individual's "questioning and criticizing a person of authority and influence"?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
306. At last, you finally answered. So, to recap, if your answer to all of my questions is yes ...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:58 PM
Jun 2013

then in your estimation the First Lady SHOULD be interrupted any time she speaks on a topic other than LGBT rights. But she SHOULD also be interrupted when she is speaking about LGBT rights. Well, now you are on the record in stating that First lady Michele Obama (and by inference everyone else you deem to be influential) should never be allowed to speak about anything without being interrupted by whomever has a a pet issue.
I salute you for your consistency, but I hope that I never have to sit anywhere near you in a movie theater. Or a play. Or a concert. Or at a fucking speech where the topic of said speech had already been made known to all of the attendees.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
308. It's disturbing that you're more outraged by the interruption than by the lack of LGBT civil rights
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jun 2013

It's too bad DU couldn't muster the same level of outrage for President Obama's unwillingness to sign the EO, especially since ENDA will never pass the Republican led US House.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
315. It's interesting how you believe you can determine DU's level of outrage regarding one topic...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

from reading a thread pertaining to a completely different subject. I would never presume to speak for DU, but ordinarily I voice my outrage at the lack of civil rights afforded to my GLBT brothers and sisters in discussions dedicated to that issue. Likewise, I prefer to confine mention of my lack of affinity for rude assholes to discussions related to that issue.
But that's just me.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
297. Sturtz a true hero for speaking out?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jun 2013

I don't know about you, but several people yelling over one another, each touting their one true passion at the same time, makes it all sound more like a bunch of hissy white noise. Is that what you are touting? Because I don't see how that yelling thing works for one group without saying it's ok for every group to do that...while using each others forums to promote their personal agenda.

So by all means lets that anti pipeline people, anti vacc people, the pro porn people, the bankers, the gold buyers, the pro Vap cigarette people, the gay advocates, the anti gay advocates, the athiests and the Muslims and Hindus, the pro polygamy, the christian Right, PETA and every other advocate all press their point at the same time, because it's what one does to be a hero?

Sturtz messed up big time. She could easily have spoken out at a time and place that gave her the public undividded attention and listening ear.

While there are several civil rights and social issues that are ALL important, there is nothing Sturtz did that maked her statement more important than the one that was being addressed.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
300. The public ear is ready on the gay issue....she organizes her own venue
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jun 2013

as for MO's attention and lisening ear...you think that was acheived by this stunt? Do you suddenly rearrange your life and take on the mantle of someone that heckles you in public? Sturtz isn't a hero, she failed and actually hurt her cause....read the rest of this thread and you will understand that Sturzt didn't acheive political capital at all.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
301. She grabbed MO's attention for a few moments and made the national news yesterday
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jun 2013

Sturtz's actions were widely successful as far as heckling and protesting goes. Just because you think she was rude for daring to interrupt the First Lady, that does not mean she didn't bring attention to her cause.

Those of us here at DU would be wise to champion civil rights instead of championing personalities, regardless if we support Sturtz or MO in this situation. From my perspective, it seems like most of Sturtz's supporters put LGBT civil rights ahead of her while it seems like MO's supporters put MO ahead of LGBT civil rights. That's a big problem for me.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
312. The cause already had attention...now it has negative attention. That was good?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jun 2013

did Sturtz affect any policy change or did Sturtz humiliate herself in public and draw negative attention to the subject matter.

Unfortunatly, I think it more of the latter.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
313. If Sturtz's actions compel Pres. Obama to not sign the EO, then he's a bigot.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jun 2013

Anybody who is more offended by the interruption than by the lack of LGBT civil rights has some seriously screwed up priorities - and that includes many people here at DU.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
324. your assertion that this heckling act alone SHOULD compel Michelle to Force POTUS
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jun 2013

to sign anything into law via EO, is actually quite nuts.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
328. Rosa Parks didn't yell. She quietly sat down and silently refused to give up her seat
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:09 PM
Jun 2013

to a man. That is vastly, infinitely different from what the jackass that shouted at the First Lady did.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
330. So sound volume is your determining factor when deciding if a cause is just?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jun 2013

Thus you only support a cause when they sit down and shut up about it?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
94. If PO should write an executive order for her issue, why shouldn't he write one for MY issue, for
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jun 2013

anyone's and everyone's?

If one issue group can/should demand that, ALL of them can and SHOULD.

Why should one issue receive special treatment and not others?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
182. The order is already in the works. I don't believe this was what this was about. Nope, I don't.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jun 2013

Someone funds the group that paid for her and a male heckler to be there. IMO, it was Koch money through a front group.

The male with her first heckled Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, had intimidated her into silence as he went on, until Secret Service agents pointed at him. Meaning they might have taken him into custody. So he shut up.

Immediately Sturtz yelled that he should be allowed to speak. I've seen this tactic used to take over things and shut others up in the name of freedom of speech, but only for the people crashing meetings.

They are oblivious to the rights of others in the Commons. They walk into places with a sense of entitlement that is aggressive. This sounds like the woman backing up the Infowars nutnik in Boston, too. They came to start a ruckus at Democratic fundraiser and get publicity and most likely aren't Democrats.

I've seen this before, it's worse when there it's a open house, where everyone is welcome to come and eat for free or donate if they want to. It is a time for people to discuss what is going right and wrong in their area, and talk to the representatives of the district and find out how bills are progressing or not to address their needs.

These are loosely run meetings, and like many liberal functions, are vulnerable to disruptors. When you have one going, the Libertarians and LaRouchies show up and try to take over the meeting and overpower people trying to answer questions. It has a chilling effect on discourse outside the parameters they are demanding the conversation take place, which is completely derailed. They are the real life version of trolls on the internet who want to shut up all liberal and progressive voices.

They disrespect everyone that has taken the time out of their lives to come and act together, and huff and puff if they don't get their way. They act like the gun owners parading with rifles at gun control meetings to scare people off, or how Tea Partiers shouted down and threatened both representatives and citizens over the ACA. In those cases, they photographed their faces and license plates and they even followed the citizens home.

This is brownshirt fascism and it's happening cross country and they, the disruptors, are doing more harm to freedom of speech by running others out of the public square designed to intimidate peaceful, concerned citizens from civic involvement.

Obama immediately signed many EO's as soon as he was sworn into office in 2009, to overturn those written by Bush. To yell for these in a meeting and not go through the process of making law is just baiting. And in this case, using media to generate another faux talking point off the Sequester, the good that Obama has done, and all Michelle and the administration are working on. It's red meat for the FRW and FLW NJs and a way to demoralize the rest of us.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
195. Agreed. It wasn't to get any message out. What message? Nobody even HEARD them but
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jun 2013

Debbie and Michelle. Worst fucking protesters EVER. Fox News sure as fuck loves 'em today tho. Gave them a great excuse to rag on the African American First Lady and the Jewish head of the DNC. Because you know those fundamentalists only love Israel because of end-time prophecy.

And BTW, if Michelle is anything like me, her protective instincts undoubtedly got stirred up when the first guy heckled Debbie.

Thankfully, this will not have a chilling effect on President Obama's support for full civil rights for LGBTs. Or Michelle's and Debbie's. Or the Democratic Party's.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
229. I'm sure this will not have a chilling effect on anyone's support for LGBT's. That's about all of us
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jun 2013

Anyone who has read the DNC platform, watched all that the convention said about rights for all, no matter if popular or not, won't be fooled or swayed.

Anyone who has watched and read of Obama's support for LGBT's, women, children, immigrants, the disabled and all Americans, including those who hate him, knows that he is a man of principle and knows the Constitution very well. And that he has changed the laws.

His haters know that too. As far as Fox and RWers, they will be the ones spinning this against LGBT's, not Democrats. Our party record and platform is clear, so the ones who strive to instigate division among us are not part of us, pure and simple.

Those who are working to divide the American people from each other will not win, history is against RWers.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
196. It's troubling how the internet, including the DU, helps A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G like that out. People act
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:08 PM
Jun 2013

as though anyone who disagrees with them is absolutely an authentic person who hates LGBT, or is racist, or misogynistic, or opposes the 1st Amendment, or hates the Obamas, or whatever suits their characterization of their issue opponents.

So, even if what you describe, freshwest, isn't relevant to a given instance, . . . . because it gets treated as though it is - BY GOD KNOWS WHO (since most of us a posting under pseudonyms) that's what it becomes, in some cases unintentionally, in other cases with full intentionality.

I don't understand why so many people are acting as though everyone here, or elsewhere on the internet, is in fact who/what they say they are. Trolling REALLY isn't that hard. It seems so obvious to me that you shouldn't 100% believe whatever ANYONE presents themselves as, so it really makes me wonder even more why all Obama, or LGBT, supporters are assumed to in fact be Obama, or LGBT, supporters (or any of the other issue groups) and that is assumed especially if they disagree about something like heckling, or say something hateful about anyone, or if they say something really stupid. There are people who jump in and really cheer lead without even mentioning any other possibilities and we're on the FUCKING INTERNET, so what the hell gives here???

We go through what could, to a very significant proportion, be propaganda theater on this board over and over again. And no one wants to call anyone else out on the likelihood of these highly erroneous assumptions, because that wouldn't look good to whichever group s/he identifies with.

It's very depressing, maybe even hopeless, so perhaps I should re-consider my support here.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
243. Well, I understand that. I don't take this place very serious anymore for that reason.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013

Those who have not paid attention or had an open mind to the first couple and their initiatives, well, they won't start listening now and they've made up their minds the USA is done and over with.

Constant negativity is a version of being clever and cynicism means you can never be found wrong or made mistake, since the cynic never tries anything. But has never done anything in the end, but support the status quo.

It's a good thing the future doesn't count on them, because the future has the young people we've seen being helped. These are the people are oppressed, whose survival is at stake, who they don't want to die or live miserable lives. They have the will to live and change.

The ones those who do the most snarking and attacking haven't got time for learning their needs and wants and hopes. They just don't rise to the level of gravity for them, they don't meet the patterns they find important and meaningful. So they are living in the dead past and will not be changing the world, standing aside and tossing acid at others.

They think the world and our democratic hopes are dead as they do not match up to their old visions. It reminds me of the GOP and their hysteria over changes by people they do not know and do not think can run this nation.

And they have enough time on their hands to agitate others with the bogeymen of the past. We can learn from the past, we must learn how things got how they are, but not to feel defeated. Such things can lend color and depth to our understanding. We seek patterns that are familiar, but those who are transitioning to changes with open minds are figuring out new ways to make things work.

The ones who are changing things don't need our fears. They will be defining and refining their purposes and their hearts. When I look at all these recent disasters and how people are identifying with those across the country and the world, instead of tearing down and dividing, I know that Americans are much more united and willing to work together than some people here.

We have a mixed group and I now seek to meet like minds. I am a work in progress. When I see some are stuck in their ways as I work to change my own, that is for them. I am for keeping to what works, respecting what is great that was done before, but still see great things ahead.

As far as DU, the ratfuckers can only fool those who don't have a sense of history, instead have been taken in by a slick version of history that tells them to give up and run away. Independence is one thing, giving up and then putting down others is another.

We have a mixed group, and some of our new posters are great people, just as some of our old posters are. Some will keep on shooting others down, won't see the big picture. That's their unhappiness that I won't join.

I'm glad you are here, patrice, you have a deep mind. You have learned certain disciplines I find fascinating, but I don't always understand them. See you later.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
241. This ^^^^
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:08 PM
Jun 2013

And why don't we all go and interrupt speeches? We can keep those big shots from ever saying a word. Let's just all go and yell at them from the audience. It can be a cacophony of yelling, all of us demanding Executive orders.

The President should immediately sign an EO allowing all immigrants to be citizens! He should sign another one nationalizing the banks! And another one creating the death penalty for rape! Another one promising Julian Assange he will never be prosecuted by the USA! Another one stopping the war in Syria! That no Chinese imports be allowed! No more H-1Bs! No more pollution! Raise taxes on corporations now! Don't wait for Congress!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
107. No, but then you don't have lilly-white 'progressives' whining
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jun 2013

about how Michelle Obama was "aggressive" for having the temerity to talk back to a white woman.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57587731/michelle-obama-confronts-heckler-at-fundraiser/

In an interview, Sturtz told the Washington Post, that she was stunned by the first lady's response to her heckling.


"She came right down in my face," Sturtz told the Post. "I was taken aback."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/michelle-obama-protester_n_3386874.html

One was Autumn Leaf, 22, who interrupted DNC Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s (D-Fla.) speech beforehand, also calling for the executive order.

Leaf said Wasserman Schultz replied that the way to get ENDA passed was to help Democrats retake the House.

He said he was “disappointed” in Obama’s reaction to Sturtz and surprised she “approached Ellen as aggressively as she did.”


"Oh heavens, that Negro lady talked back to us. I've never had that happen before. Didn't she see The Help?"



CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
115. Chris Christie: Forceful and direct. Michelle Obama: Aggressive
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jun 2013

The dog whistling is plain as day.

The white man calls people names and gets a positive spin. The black woman, despite an abundance of tact, induces fear and concern.

Never mind that the heckler didn't have the backbone to at least OWN her disruption.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
149. The disrespect of the Obamas by (some) progressives goes back to day one.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jun 2013

I remember when that Hillary supporter freaked out and called then Sen. Obama an "inadequate black male".








frylock

(34,825 posts)
152. it's really not that difficult to differentiate between dissatisfied liberals and racists either..
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jun 2013

yet those comparisons are made daily here at this "progressive" website.

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
109. I'm right with you MrScorpio
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jun 2013

I have had it with hecklers and I love the way Michelle Obama handled it.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
112. Why in the world would she heckle someone who is supporting gay rights?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jun 2013

It would seem to me, she should be heckling all of the republicans who have opposed gay rights.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
323. The GOP can't even stand that the black community exists and work to eliminate that fact:
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jun 2013
You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

~ Tom Baker

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
118. Good for the First Lady. People came to hear the FL give a talk
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jun 2013

not for someoone to continuously try and interrupt and take over the meeting.

 

Crow73

(257 posts)
119. Cheering the puppets
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jun 2013

Because it isn't how you say it, it is where you say it?
Yeah how is that bank prosecution going?
Defending the Obama family is awesome. Where is the meat?
Seems to me I was promised that Obama would be so much better than Mittens. I haven't seen much change from W.

calimary

(81,283 posts)
147. If you act like a jerk, you'll get treated like a jerk.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jun 2013

I used to remind my kids of that. Seems to be quite true.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
228. Yep, and she should have been better prepared.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jun 2013

Michelle offered her the mic, but it seems she didn't have much to say. I've attended several protests in my life (several were not political) and I was always prepared.

The woman was made a fool of.

calimary

(81,283 posts)
348. And she risked alienating people who would otherwise be sympathetic to her cause.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:13 PM
Jun 2013

I mean, REALLY! THIS President, over and above all the others in American history, has singlehandedly done more to advance gay rights than ANY of his predecessors. And they STILL have a bone to pick with him?????????? Forcryingoutloud!!! She should have been giving grief where it was deserved: the republi-CON obstructionists who insist on standing in the way of progress and enlightenment.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
135. Action /reaction
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013

cause and effect.

No doubt Sturtz thought out all probable scenarios leading to an inevitable exit via escort. All eyes on the heckler protester what have you.
But having the table reversed did not prefigure.
kind of like a surprise counter attack initiated to the order of the immediate, the thing that cannot possibly happen.

Disruptor's disrupt in public places -they go off on crazy rants and people as a rule just watch. Eventually someone from the establishment will deal with it. People just watch and wait for it to be dealt with somehow by somebody.

Make no mistake the first ladies time is valuable and the heckler was wasting valuable time.
The point to it was staying involved -get involved ,remain involved. Do something other than wait and watch.

When they insisted that the first lady stay and continue-thats getting involved actively.They took back what theirs in time.

Cause and effect.

Can't' confront all those hecklers that way- and yea,that was good !
The table was turned perfectly on the heckler,protester what have you. and the point was put across perfectly-get involved -stay involved -be more than just a spectator.


bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
329. I hope the organizers write a check and send her money back to her. I have a
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jun 2013

suggestion as to where she can shove it once she cashes the check.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
139. Maybe someone who has heckled can clear something up for me...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jun 2013

what IS the reaction you're trying to get when you heckle someone?? Isn't a confrontation from the "hecklee" what you are going for? Why was this person "taken aback" by Michele Obama's reaction?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
320. Because heckling is meant to intimidate, not inform. To degrade, not discuss.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jun 2013

Nothing but shamed submission would have been the proper answer for a heckler. Although I have never heckled, as it's not effective in the long run. It's a cheap thrill many are addicted to and they want to see drama.



Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
334. There's no expectation of it, but maybe with some class? It's not the "Houswives of Washington DC."
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:03 AM
Jun 2013

But The First Lady admits she's just no good at being interrupted (and who is, Mr. President?) and the Heckler was just a run-of-the-mill lesbian, so, whatever. Just verbally knock the woman around some more, even though Michelle Obama--with perfect technique-- herself already did a masterful job of turning the room against the heckler.








dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
158. Heckler was the rude one
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jun 2013

Ms. Obama was there to give a speech. Everyone should respect her time while she is giving the speech. Then if they want to talk, they can. It is just plain old fashioned good manners. When I see someone acting rude or being a bore, like sitting next to you talking on their phone at a concert, they know they are rude but will try to get away with it as long as the people around them try to be nice and not speak up. Ms. Obama did exactly the right thing and called out this rude woman.


Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
167. I actually think threatening to leave a group of people who had paid to see you because
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jun 2013

of the bad behavior of one person is ... rude.

Yes, Michelle should have called the heckler on her behavior.

But threatening to leave? Petty. Not classy.

I admire Michelle Obama, but this seemed like she was scolding a roomful of kindergartners.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
174. I am going to turn this car around RIGHT Now! That is how mom's have dealt with childess behavior.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jun 2013

....for generations. And it was probably I am going to turn this buggy arouund! For ages before that.

Amazing that a spoiled brat heckler expected to be treated with respect when she brought none.

If you are shouting people tune you out. It is that simple.

She is not a hero. The heckler...all hecklers are attention hounds.

They help no cause.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
203. Everyone deserves respect. Everyone. Even assholes.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jun 2013

And I'm not kidding on this.

It is harder to treat someone who is being disrespectful with respect, but that's the best way to behave in all circumstances, unless, of course, your physical safety is threatened.

Otherwise, do unto others.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
223. Disipline and reminders of what is acceptable behavior IS respect.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jun 2013

You do NOT let poor behavior from a rude person destroy the experience for everyone.

Again. No one listens to someone who is shouting.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
232. but that's what Michelle was going to do. Let poor behavoir spoil it for everyone.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jun 2013

Right. Remind Sturtz what is acceptable. But don't threaten to leave simply because someone else is behaving badly.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
234. She wasn't really going to leave. That was a Mom ploy.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jun 2013

I am going to turn this car around right NOW!

When in the history of time has a car ACTUALLY been turned around?

It is a signal for the cooler heads of the group to cool things down.

Because...yeah Mom's pissed.




freshwest

(53,661 posts)
317. Not only that, she offered her the mike to say her piece. No, this was a stunt, not advocacy.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:33 PM
Jun 2013
She came to diss the First Lady, just like the guy in the Rose Garden interupted Obama out of his sense of privilege.

Just like Nugent calls Obama names and says he'll kill him. Just like the Repuke who yelled 'liar' at Obama while giving the SOTU. Just like Libertarians and Teabaggers who call him an illegitimate president.

When they aren't calling him the Anti-Christ. And it is racial on their part, I know it, since I've argued with them for years. None of what the right has put out is in a vacuum and it's all being used on low-information voters on the Right and the Left.


11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
285. In my world, respect must be earned.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:28 AM
Jun 2013

If you wish to accord it to everyone ... teabaggers, racists, homophobes, Limbaughs, etc, by virtue of their mere existence; I suppose that's your prerogative.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
175. It wasn't a serious threat--it was a signal to the people hosting
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:46 PM
Jun 2013

the event to have the escort booted out of the building.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
204. Really? Then why not simply say so? Ask for the disruptor to either wait
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jun 2013

until she was finished, and respect all those who were there to hear her, or leave?

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
186. The only person that Mrs. O could have been possibly "rude" to was the heckler.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jun 2013

Because, judging from the crowd reaction, they were quite pleased by the First Lady's response.

Frankly, I think that it's ridiculous that some people are putting this Sturtz person on equal footing with Michelle Obama.

With the exception of Sturtz herself, not one person in that room paid a thin dime to hear her open her pie hole out of turn.

I see that you didn't like the fact that Mrs. Obama threatened to leave had Sturtz took the First Lady's offer to take the mic. But again, judging from the crowd reaction, it's quite clear that one of these women had a finger on that crowd's pulse, while other misjudged both the crowd AND the person that they were dealing with.

I'm sure that Michelle Obama's very first thought was that she had neither the time or patience to deal with some usurping loudmouth. Right after she told Sturtz to take the mic, the crowd on the other hand made damn sure to express their feelings that Mrs. Obama came correct.

Sturtz was outclassed and out-thunked in a heartbeat by Michelle. Whether she took the mic as offered or declined to take it, as she did, Sturtz was in a thoroughly lose-lose position.

On the bright side, however, her foolishness got her name in the paper. But, mostly because of the fact that she looked like a complete idiot.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
208. Had Michelle actually left, it would have been ridiculous.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jun 2013

Threatening to leave is on par with saying she's going to take her marbles and go home. "Choose me, or I'm leaving".

Just struck me as the way people deal with children.

We're all equal, and while Sturtz was inappropriate and behaved badly and has ultimately ended up looking like a fool, she is MO's equal. WE ALL ARE. And I don't think MO or BO would like to think, or project to the public, otherwise.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
221. Are you saying that Sturtz had just as much a right to that mic as Michelle Obama?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jun 2013

Within the context that you're making that both Sturtz and the First Lady are equals, could it be that your point is "yes?"

Now who, other than Sturtz herself in that room, paid money to listen to her confront the First Lady?

When Michelle offered the mic and offered Sturtz the floor, I would think that you would have thought the invitation to her equal was quite appropriate.

But you're objecting to the First Lady giving Sturtz that particular opportunity to state her own case in front of that crowd.

The crowd, on the other hand, escorted Sturtz out the door and voiced their support of Michelle Obama to stay and continue her presentation.

What about them?

The only person in that room was that was childish was that selfish brat of a person, Ellen Sturtz.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
230. No, I'm not saying that. Not even remotely.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jun 2013

But in your first response you seemed to imply that Michelle deserved more respect than Sturtz, and I'm saying as human beings, that's not accurate.

There's a time and place for everything. Sturtz has a right to heckle, and accept the consequences (which is to be removed from a private setting). Free speech does have its boundaries and limitations. I'm saying that Michelle's "choose me or I leave" message struck the wrong chord with me. It's the way many adults deal with children. I don't like it when adults treat kids that way, and I don't think adults should be treated that way, either.

Everything else I have no issue with. Michelle didn't need to threaten to leave to handle the heckler. Michelle was saying if Sturtz spoke, she'd leave and wouldn't listen. And then everyone who came to see Michelle would have to suffer because of the actions of one bad actor.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
239. If what you say is correct, why then did the crowd reward Michelle with a return to the podium?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jun 2013

Who in that room had time to coddle an insolent heckler?

Not certainly Michelle Obama, who made it abundantly clear to both Sturtz and the crowd that she DIDN'T have time to deal with any of that crap.

Sturtz acted a fool and was appropriately dressed down by Michelle Obama. She obviously didn't think her actions, to interrupt and shout slogans, through.

The basic reason, perhaps, that Michelle dismissed her as one would treat a child was that Sturtz was acting childishly.

I don't blame the First Lady one bit. Her move was brilliantly played.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
305. Then let's just disagree. I don't think it was brilliant. But that makes me no less an
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jun 2013

extremely progressive Democrat.

I don't think she walks on water or is infallible, and while I think challenging Sturtz was the right thing to do, the way she did it, as I said, struck me as punitive.

Cha

(297,254 posts)
183. Oh the Irony!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jun 2013

April @ReignOfApril

Ellen Sturtz goes to heckle @FLOTUS in a private home & then describes the crowd's response as "unsettling & disturbing." Girl, bye.

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/05/rise-and-shine-520/

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
185. Michelle Obama would not have done well in the time of the Lincoln
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:25 PM
Jun 2013

presidency. Not because of slavery, but because the president, etc., was verbally challenged as Ms. Sturz did Ms. Obama more frequently.

I think that Ms. Obama should learn how to deal with dissent and protestors in her audience before she gives another speech.

The President does it well. Michelle Obama should ask him to teach her how he does it.

I don't think she came away from that minor protest with as much respect as she had before. To appear and be heard is the right of every American. And if politicians can't respect that right, and deal with people who have no adequate way to communicate with them other than interrupting a speech, maybe they have chosen the wrong profession.

The Lincoln/Douglas debates are an excellent example of speeches that were frequently interrupted in what some would now consider a discourteous way. It's in the transcript in one of the books I have. Unfortunately, today, politicians are less tolerant of interaction with the ordinary folk.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
187. There was no "debate" between Michelle Obama and Sturtz
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jun 2013

No one in that room, with the exception of Sturtz herself, was there to listen to her open her pie hole out of turn about a subject that wasn't even the topic of discussion. The crowd itself made that point obvious.

If Sturtz wanted to be heard, she should have brought her own mic and got her own crowd to pay money for HER time, instead of trying to upstage Michelle Obama with her silly antics.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
188. "Mrs. Obama should learn" "ask him how to teach her", "ordinary folk"
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jun 2013

Methinks someone thinks the First Lady of the United States is a little uppity and needs some learnin'.

Dogwhistles and condescension.

I love how people selectively ignore that the FLOTUS has come from humble beginnings and frequently reminds audiences of that fact.

But I guess it's easier to take potshots when one can pretend she's above the little people and loving it. It creates a target.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
261. The President is a master at handling hecklers.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:25 AM
Jun 2013

I'm surprised that Michelle Obama lost her cool. She is usually more poised than that. Poise is not a matter of family wealth. Some of the least poised people are wealthy. Think about Donald Trump. A socially awkward person if I ever saw one.

Ms. Obama is normally very poised and handles situations very well. I wonder why she lost her cool. It's a shame.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
189. I'm missing what she did wrong.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jun 2013

Honestly, I am perplexed. And, you really may have a point I am overlooking. What was Ms. Obama supposed to do?

Let's say I invite the first lady to speak an event. It's a fundraiser for a cause we both support. And, then we send out invitations for other like minded individuals to attend. One person, comes to the event, for no other purpose other than to disrupt the event.

What was Ms. Obama supposed to do, exactly? Did the one person, who did not come to hear her speak, somehow have more rights than everyone else in the room at the moment?

I get the fact that she had important rights that were being denied. But, her rights were not being denied by Ms. Obama.

It's almost like having the guy across the street slap you, and to make sure your angst is understood, you slap the neighbor who offers to help you up.

What should the first lady have done? She did not know this lady. Should she have simply stood there, quietly and listened. How long would have been long enough? 5 minutes...10 minutes. How would you know?

Most hecklers I have seen don't have a prepared speech. They have a few lines that they repeat over and over again. So, is that it? She should have stopped everything and the entire audience should have listened to her repeat one or two lines over and over again. Forget the event. Forget the discussion of poor children. Poverty. It seems to be the one topic that we never ever discuss. And it couldn't even have that event.

What would have been exactly the right thing for her to have done that would have been well received? And, honestly, you may know. I do not. I thought her response was fine. But, clearly I'm not seeing a full enough picture. I don't mind the debate. I'm willing to learn.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
263. Obama has handled these situations masterfully in many instances.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:30 AM
Jun 2013

First rule, agree with the host ahead of time on how to react if there is a heckler. Ask the host to take charge. Don't take charge yourself. Perhaps Michelle Obama would have been wise to just allow the heckler to heckle until the audience handled the heckler itself.

I attended a meeting with my congressman. We were encouraged to ask questions and one man just went on and on and heckled. My congressman just waited. The crowd took care of the heckler. Had Michelle Obama waited a bit, the audience at the event would have silenced the heckler. A politician or a surrogate for a politician should never show impatience with hecklers or dissidents. It really is not a part of the politician's or politician's wife's or other surrogate's role to silence hecklers in any discourteous way.

I am normally a big fan of Michelle Obama, in fact one of her best fans. She is a beautiful, wonderful woman. But she messed up here. I hope she handles these situations better in the future. She will meet up with them more than once. Maybe it was just a bad day. She is normally a lovely, patient woman.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
274. Thanks for the reply.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:06 AM
Jun 2013

I am pretty sure I answered another one of your posts hotly because this incident Has really got my temper up.

I disagree, but I understand your point. I think.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
191. One rule many Hecklers seem to forget.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jun 2013

"Put UP or Shut Up". Most of the time the one being heckled will just let security handle it. But one MUST be ready when the heckled gets down and meet you tow to tow.

It happens. Can't take it, don't heckle.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
201. Mrs. Obama was a spoiled brat in responding.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:19 PM
Jun 2013

That is why people are annoyed. It is exactly the same as the "you people" comment from Ann Romney. Very pathetic.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
220. She was rude as well.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jun 2013

She acted like a spoiled brat by threatening to leave if the crowd didn't get behind her and shun the other woman's voice.

Frankly I find that much more damaging than interrupting a speech.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
224. The audience did not pay $500 to hear a disruptor and they would have made that known regardless.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:10 PM
Jun 2013

And wanting to hear the person you came to hear rather than a disruptor is not equivalent to or symbolic of silencing the voices of people who are fighting for their rights.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
260. Just because a majority doesn't like
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:14 AM
Jun 2013

What a minority says, does not mean the statement that was said is any less valid. Please see this post for my assessment of the situation. As it is long, I don't think pasting it here would be a good idea for sanity's sake...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950046#post255

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
210. That's ridiculous.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jun 2013

It was none of the kind.

Who in that room, other than that idiot Heckler herself, paid to listen to her open her pie hole while Michelle Obama was in the middle of a presentation about needy kids?

What about the children… who in that room was thinking about them?

Sturtz made a fool of herself and she was promptly escorted out.

I don't have to defend Michelle Obama, she did just fine.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
255. I am disappointed with her response to the protester
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jun 2013

Primarily, I am disappointed with Michelle Obama's response to the protester

This is because her comment comes across as both belittling and holier-than-thou. She attempted to, intentionally or unintentionally, use peer pressure to verbally bully another human being into silence by threatening the guests that she would leave if the person did not be quiet. Her comments come across as very belittling of the issue the protester had and thereby also of an entire group of people.

As you may well have seen today, the LGBT population of this nation (and certainly of DU) is wary to believe in or otherwise trust political figures (and she is a political figure, whether by title or association it doesn't matter). This is because we have been heavily targeted by politicians in the last century as objects of evil and sin, as political tools to spread conservatism, and generally as aberrant citizens.

Now, as we are gaining ground and have won several important (albeit small) victories towards equality, it is extremely vexing to see someone, who thus far has seemed to be passively accepting of LGBT people (ie. neither ardent supporter nor detractor), act in such a way. It is disheartening to see that someone in her position, whom we have come to trust to some extent, respond, intentionally or otherwise, using peer pressure to silence an LGBTer.

Why is this particular moment important? It is because it wasn't planned. It was a gut reaction. When challenged on LGBT equality, rightfully or improperly timed as it may be, she responds contemptuously and wholly without regard or respect for the issue at hand but rather the opposite. She responds like we would expect a Republican to respond.

Had she dismissed the issue simply and kindly or sought to actually point out her support for LGBT issues, would have made this a complete non-issue. To AT ALL vocalize support of LGBT issues in that moment, as a gut reaction, she would have come across strongly to the LGBT community. But in that second, she reacted very negatively. When you look at that reaction through the lens of LGBTers experience with politicians, you ignite anger and frustration. LGBTers feel betrayed by someone who has in the least been a passively positive supporter of LGBT equality. It is, essentially, a giant slap in the face.

By demonizing the protester, she demonizes all those people, and there are millions of us, who feel EXACTLY the same frustration the protester feels that caused the protester to act in the way she. We are frustrated that in the 21st century we are still being judged by our innate characteristics instead of by our contributions. It is maddeningly frustrating to see and be a part of the 2008 and 2012 elections, to witness a giant step towards racial equality, and yet to be left behind by an administration that has not moved quickly enough on LGBT issues.

Many suggest that the Obama administration has been the most LGBT-friendly administration in history. And they're right. It has. But, we share a common ground with the Obama's. We both know hate and intolerance. We've both fought the same battles, often together, to bring equality into being. The president and indeed Mrs. Obama are both intelligent, experienced individuals. Both know what inequality means in this country still to this day. And both could be doing so much more because of that knowledge to further social equality in this nation. Have they done more than any president in the past for LGBTers? Again, yes. But with their understanding, with their roots in social movements in their youth, they could do SO much more, but haven't. They have not used their privileged knowledge of inequality to the best of their abilities to affect lasting meaningful change. In much the same way that you applaud a "C" student for getting a "B" on a test whereas you would suggest that a perennial "A" student should try harder if they only achieve a "B" on the same test, I believe the Obama's should be held to a higher standard than average wealthy WASP administrations because they KNOW what inequality is. They are not ignorant of the fact. They have experienced it first hand working in Chicago. There is a different standard they must be held to, because they are able to do more. They both simultaneously do more than any previous administration and fail to do enough because of that standard and the expectations that can be had of them based on their understanding of social inequality.

So take all this in and understand all the hate, violence, intolerance, and disrespect we've been dealt as a group for generations and see it being perpetuated by someone we had come to see as an ally and we can't help but feel betrayed.

I hope that helps,
-Fearless

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
269. You know, I've seen loads of bullshit shoveled on DU before, but this takes the cake
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:46 AM
Jun 2013

The First Lady didn't have the time nor patience to kiss the lilly white ass of some screaming sob sister when she was trying to make an important point about needy kids.

But, obviously here, those kids and all the people who paid their money listen to the Michelle Obama just had to take the backseat to an interrupting person who had every right, in your esteemed opinion, to go all off subject with an issue that wasn't even in the conversation at all.

Now at what point did Michelle Obama tell Ellen Sturtz that she was dismissing the needs of LGBT rights… When she offered that slogan shouting person the mic and the podium?

Perhaps you can inform me on how Michelle Obama could have solved Sturtz's concern as she was being interrupted in mid sentence and shouted at?

But no, everything has be dropped, no matter what the other important subject is and the First Lady was required to take the time to address some person who's screaming at her. Nothing else matters, I imagine.

Michelle Obama didn't disrespect all LGBT people by offering Sturtz the floor and you know it. There are quite a few other LGBT people around here who have said that as much.

But maybe the next time when Michelle Obama wants to give a speech about childhood obesity, gun violence, poverty, nutrition or sports to a paying crowd, she can pencil in a spot for the next off-topic heckler for equal time. Especially if it's an off-topic subject that you're so fervently concerned about at the time… Or at all times with the exclusion of everything else.

Would that help?

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
270. Alright let's take this item by item...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:02 AM
Jun 2013

1) If everyone was so enamored by the starving children you mention, you'd think that the millionaires in that crowd would throw a few hundred thousand dollars in their direction at least. No? In reality, they're present because Michelle is a relevant social icon. People are attracted to that. Otherwise, why have her speak?

2) The outburst by the protester is not what is up for debate here. I have not stated that it wasn't ill-timed or ineffective. This is a debate talking about her response to that outburst. I have detailed for you exactly why it is offensive. If you don't agree, that's your prerogative, but I am as equally entitled to my opinions as you are. Likewise, I have considerably more experience in LGBT politics than you do.

3) The outburst wasn't about solving the problem at that exact second. It was about providing a voice to an issue that NEEDS to be addressed. Again I direct you back to my statement on whether it was effective or not.

4) By attempting to use peer pressure as a means to control discourse in the room, she is dismissing the issue. All she needed to say is, "This is an important issue, I agree with you, but right now I'm here to speak about XYZ." Not spout off holier-than-thou attempts at peer pressure.

5) She did not actually offer her the floor. That was a call out. She was using peer pressure to shut someone up. Do you honestly think she would have handed her the mike?

6)Citing "other LGBTers" as evidence of me being incorrect is a faulty argument. No quantity of people supporting your opinions will dictate that my point of view is incorrect. And conversely the opposite is true as well. To debate a point of view, you need facts not the mention of opinions.

7)Why is a member of the Billionaires for Weathcare (for instance) considered a protester and yet this woman is considered a heckler? They both spoke up at paid events for other topics. Yet, we laud one and abuse the other? Why is that?

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
275. Oh, I see…
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:09 AM
Jun 2013

Of course, the behavior of Ms. Sturtz is up for scrutiny here… She was the one who started it by interrupting the First Lady in mid-sentence with loud-mouthed slogans of an off-topic nature.

Had Mrs. Obama gotten the chance to address Ms. Sturtz's off-topic concerns between, you know… Ms. Sturtz's loud mouthed sloganeering, do you think that Ms. Sturtz would have taken the opportunity to accept the response by the First Lady, as you've suggested, and just shut the fuck up for a second?

I really doubt that such a thought would have occurred to Ms. Sturtz, as she was in the midst of making a spectacle of herself in a crowded room. Great way to garner free publicity for one's previously little known organization, is it not?

Do you really think that that was good way to for Sturtz to state her case? I don't. That's a pretty piss-poor way for Sturtz to show respect for her own concerns, isn't that freakingly obvious here?

Mrs. Obama went down there to where Ms. Sturtz was loudly sloganeering and told the lady that she could have the floor. Ms. Sturtz was then disturbed by the fact that the First Lady of the United States (That's who we're talking about here), turned the tables on her ass with a supportive crowd backing her up.

“She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.”


Well, boo-fucking hoo. Sorry, Ms. Sturtz, but you are WAY out of your league here.

And, yes… If Ms. Sturtz had taken the mic from the First Lady as offered (I really do think that she would have handed it her, she said as much), then Ms. Sturtz would have had to contend with a crowd that wasn't there to listen her loud-mouthed sloganeering in the first place.

It's nice to know that you believe that everything else that the Obama White House and the First Lady has to deal with in this world at any particular time actually has to take a backseat to your own interests… I figure that's just your way of informing me that you don't believe that they're capable of handling more than one thing at a time.

But it's a well worn axiom that opinions are just like assholes, everyone has one… I just think that yours sucks in this particular case.

But it's pretty clear to me that Ellen Sturtz wasn't doing anyone any favors by being an interrupting jerk about it.

Michelle Obama and the crowd that she was addressing made it perfectly clear that it was not the time nor the place for Ms. Sturtz to act foolish. And if you think that taking the moment out to coddle Ms. Sturtz and her loud-mouthed slogans would have been such a great move, then it's really hard for me to understand why that such a reply could have helped the needs of LGBT rights in the long run.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
292. Thank you for taking the time to restate your opinions
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:24 PM
Jun 2013

However, I did understand them the first time and they really don't answer or rebut any of the statements I made in the previous post. I will assume the discussion is over?

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
213. LOL! The name calling never stops. It's all good though, right? Just Michelle Obama.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jun 2013

Absolutely no reason to say anything but BAAAD things about HER!!

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
215. If she does bad things
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jun 2013

Then they should be spoken about. Yes. I am not name-calling. It is acting like a brat to act like she did.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
217. Talking about poor children and gun control has just got to STOP!!!!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jun 2013

Who does she think she fucking IS anyway, donating her TIME, raising MONEY to ELECT MORE DEMOCRATS???? THE MOTHERFUCKING HORROR OF IT ALL.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
219. No. There is no monopoly on social issues.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jun 2013

It is perfectly possibly to be supportive of any or all of them.

She showed disrespect for LGBT people through her belittling of the heckler.

She acted like a brat.

This has nothing to do with why she was there or what they were raising money for. It has to do only with the comment she made and the belittling commentary she holier-than-thou uttered at the woman in question.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
225. No, she did NOT
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:17 PM
Jun 2013

disrespect the LGBT community. She acknowledged the disruption of someone who interrupted her speech. That person happened to be a member of the LGBT community, and it could have been someone who represented any cause, be it pro-NRA, Right to Life, or anything else.

And here people are on these boards calling the First Lady of the United States a spoiled brat, who would likely become apoplectic if someone charged that they are disrespecting the African American community by name-calling the FLOTUS.

Double standards...

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
257. No.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jun 2013

You're wrong.

I'm not saying she intentionally disrespected the LGBT community but did so as a knee-jerk reaction to a protester, which, frankly, may be worse.

See this post....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950046#post255

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
226. I think you are wrong about that.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:17 PM
Jun 2013

I think the person doing the brat'en is the one who as it turned out was most unwelcome.
The first lady showed tact and diplomacy in fact.
This unique reaction executed by the first lady brought all the folks together kind of like rebinding the seam.

The heckler was bent on unraveling the carpet whilst attempting to pull the floor out from under everybody.The hecklers rant was nothing more than a waste of valuable time ,time that was paid for by all those in attendance. Not to mention the first ladies time is valuable.
Since time is money as the saying goes the heckler was trying to rob all the other people of a time allotment. So,wut's a thief ?-The heckler wanted to bring the whole thing down-ruin it for all. It just takes one monkey to spoil the show.

But that didn't happen.
The heckler was offered the mic and the stage,but that didn't happen either. The reason that didn't happen is because the heckler in truth had nothing to say. It was all about grabbing head lines at the expense of everybody else.

So, wut's a brat >?

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
258. A protester is a heckler when you disagree with them.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:06 AM
Jun 2013

Fun double standard, no?

Please see this post so that you can understand why what she did was inappropriate. If you choose to continue to suggest I'm wrong, you'll do so with a full understanding of the situation and not a disjointed ramble bearing no understanding of the mental processes of either person involved...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950046#post255

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
271. No you are wrong.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:15 AM
Jun 2013

The heckler was in the wrong place to pitch that one . (Somebodies back yard.)That heckler was also an intruder. The mental process yes- cause and effect . It was about publicity on the hecklers end of that.

Thats what I think.




Fearless

(18,421 posts)
272. The protester PAID to get in. They are no intruder.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:20 AM
Jun 2013

I am not saying that it was an effective place to protest. I am saying that the response is what you would expect from bully pulpit Republicans and not worthy of the FLOTUS to this point.

And I can't be wrong in my previous post. I didn't assert anything other than opinion there.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
276. I got that part about the heckler paid to be there.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:10 AM
Jun 2013

And I get what you are on about. And yes indeed it was not the place -she said she just couldn't help it-. The heckler's response to the media about the ordeal is up on cnn. I read that too.

Reflecting back in 08 it was Michelle Obama who effectively reminded us all at the time the candidate is simply human, he will stumble along the way and make mistakes same as all human beings. She went on to say he is no superman .And she said everybody must pitch in to make change happen.

The point being ,do not expect more than there is.
Change is not forced it must be ushered in. It is not all about just sign it and be done with it.
The heckler grabbed a head line -it's there for all to see.She just couldn't help it, she was just about to burst. I don't buy that,-
But thats just my opinion.









Fearless

(18,421 posts)
291. I do not see how she could have been trying to "grab a headline"
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:22 PM
Jun 2013

When the party was private and no media was covering it.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
335. Mrs. Obama said she would be headed out the door if the woman chose to speak.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:26 AM
Jun 2013

"Me or thee." But you had to bring up the whole "brat" thing?

That worthless, time-wastin' lesbo. God damn her. Nothing to say. Priviliged gay gal with one too many rights for her own good. --None of it's fair, now is it?


"Whilst"? Really?

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
247. That's odd. I am a G in the LGBT community and don't feel MO disrespected me.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jun 2013

If anything, I feel more misrepresented by the heckler than Mrs. Obama's response.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
259. It is indeed odd.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jun 2013

At least in comparison to the vast majority of LGBTers on DU this afternoon voicing their opinions regarding the issue.

I don't see why that's important however. It adds neither content nor discourse to the discussion at hand.

Just because you disagree doesn't make something more true or false.

Truth is highly subjective and tends to be written by the victor or lacking that, the one who yells the loudest or the fastest.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
336. I may have to re-think this...
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:48 AM
Jun 2013

You mean to say that she was actually out there looking for Democratic politicians who will actually motherfucking vote for gun control?

That's a tall order. Us moho's had best shut up until that little project is completed.

HoosierRadical

(390 posts)
200. I don't mind hecklers
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jun 2013

I think they serve a purpose, however, in this situation, Flotus doesn't have the power to sign an executive order, that is the Potus job. Ellen Sturtz played herself.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
212. Good.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:33 PM
Jun 2013

As it should be. It ain't like she got a beat down for stepping out of the free speach zone. If your going to stand up in front of a group and disrupt a speaker, be prepared to be engaged. Or ignored. or ejected.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
339. And the First Lady said that if the woman did indeed engage, she was going to head out the door.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 06:18 AM
Jun 2013

Looks like the heckler thought better of it and took the high road.

Uhmp, why you got to be so negative?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
235. Amen.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jun 2013

Exactly. That kind of thing does nothing for any cause. Another person obsessed with the POTUS doing things instantly with the stroke of a pen. Get on Congress and the State Governors and Houses.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
267. Indeed, kudos to her.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jun 2013

She shouldn't have to waste her beautiful mind being concerned with GLBT people that don't know their place.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
304. Fuck that shit
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jun 2013

inner City kids and their plight ARE deserving issues. Something that Michelle cares about and was addressing at that point in time. No one said anything about Michelle only having a one dimesional issue on her mind. The focus at that meeting was not gay rights and executive orders.

Your attempt to paint LGBT issues as the only one that matters...ever...every single time... are insanely shallow.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
309. Inner city kids and their plight?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:14 PM
Jun 2013

It was a DNC fundraiser. I expect people to be claiming the woman personally kicked an inner city child to the side to get to the microphone.

Yes, equal rights for all people is horribly shallow of me. I forgot the peasantry isn't supposed to interrupt their betters.

Meeting? It was a fundraiser. For a political party. One that acknowledges LGBT people when the GayTM needs opening and votes are necessary, then mostly forgets about them.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
311. Michelles own words
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:25 PM
Jun 2013

MRS. OBAMA: So let me make the point that I was making before: We are here for our kids. (Applause.) So we must recapture that passion, that same urgency and energy that we felt back in 2008 and 2012. Understand this. This is what I want you all to understand, this is not about us — no one back here. It’s not about you or you, or your issue or your thing. This is about our children. (Applause.)


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/04/michelle-obama-heckled-at-dnc-event-threatens-to-leave/#ixzz2VSbwUz9I

and quit the the martyr thing. no one said LBGT rights are not important....time and place, honey....time and place. This was neither for Ms. Sturtz

agentS

(1,325 posts)
273. Agree with Sturz's methods, disagree with the target (mrs. Obama) and location
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:51 AM
Jun 2013

I think Ms. Sturz has every right to challenge public figures and 'get up in their grill'.
Making people uncomfortable is how you make things change.
HOWEVER, targeting potential allies and ANNOYING THEM is NOT going to win the battle. Instead of talking about the EO promise, we're arguing about Ms. Sturz, and that's a SHAME!
Ms. Sturz and GETEqual should try the same methods on Boener and the Tea Party during THEIR fundraisers, and have audio/video recorders handy. I guarantee the 'cause' will get a lot more movement out of Boner and CO.'s responses than the Obamas. It would certainly help progressives allies (besides Alan Grayson) if they had their Tea Party opponents on tape bashing GLBT.

QC

(26,371 posts)
278. Many, if not most, of the people doing the piling on here
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:19 AM
Jun 2013

have histories well known to LGBT members of DU.

Well known indeed.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
279. I just hope their words don't get associated with the first lady.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:21 AM
Jun 2013

I doubt she would want that.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
287. Get outta my head.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jun 2013

The eager vehemence turned-up just one notch higher than the situation seems to require is the tell.


freshwest

(53,661 posts)
322. That's not all that happened in the sequence of events.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jun 2013

Sturtz began immediately after the man with her intimidated Debbie Wasserman-Schultz into silence. When she took the floor again, Sturtz complained, and when Michelle began to speak, she started in on her.

This reminds me too much of the town hall meetings where the tea partiers yelled and didn't allow any information on health care reform to be discussed.

Such meetings are open to all, like the one where Giffords was shot and intended for sharing information within community and taking care of needs. Or in plainer terms, petitioning and speaking their greviances to their elected representatives.

People whose names and faces are not known to media, but whose time is valuable, get silenced when others who don't care about them come to disrupt. No one seems to think about their right to speak, only paid voices get to speak in the media, this is their only chance.

This was in a private home that was offered to use as a fund raising event as well as to raise consciousness on the plight of inner-city children who are being hurt by funds being cut, and centuries of discrimination. The FLOTUS respects her own time and has little of it to spare.

I find the vitriol against her and Obama in the big picture to be more offensive than anything a heckler does or doesn't get to do.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
325. I think we are on the same page. However, I still believe it was wrong to interrupt Mrs. Obama
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jun 2013

during her speech.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
326. I understand that about civility. I try to express the need for it in meetings that take up time.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:03 PM
Jun 2013

I just watched video of this. Mrs. Obama's voice and face was not angry as she walked to Sturtz and her stance wasn't aggressive.

But before Sturtz began yelling, as she was talking, I could hear the strain and emotion in her voice over the topic.

This talk was also about gun violence and the hopeless of inner city youth that go into gangs as they see no way out. They are handicapped by years of poverty and being demeaned in our country.

Children have been killed near the Obama home in Chicago. She was emphathic, to impress people how serious it is and what a disaster it is for all of us.

She and her daughters attended the funeral of the young lady who had just been honored a week before at the White House, gunned down in a senseless act of gang violence. The girl was not in the gang or with gang members, but she was killed and all of her hopes gone.



Hadiya Pendleton was a 15-year-old honors student and a majorette who took part in events at President Obama's second inauguration.

Michelle sounded emotional as she talked about saving the lives of the children and tired. Too tired to deal with a woman who came to an event hosted at the home of a lesbian couple who wanted to raise awareness of the plight of children and funds for the DNC. So I question this action, too. And she's not PBO, who is in charge of politics.

Obama is working at this time with Eric Holder (a staunch advocate for civil rights for gays, minorities, voting rights and changed laws on charging drug cases that disproportionately affect people of color) on codifying into law what Sturtz asked for, the long term solution to discrimination.

Some will pick sides according to their own filter. I have gone to too many meetings as as citizens go to tell our representatives what we need and get reports back of progress. At times our open meetings are disrupted by Libertarians or LaRouchies who despise Democrats and what we are working for, but of course they don't tell us before they come in to raise hell. The time of everyone gets wasted and then people figure it's not a good use of their personal time and energy if they are allowed to derail us there.

So I tend to filter my opinion of these events from experience. Nice talking to you here.

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