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Susan Rice Vocally Supported the Iraq War, and Every Mid-East War Since
by leveymg
Susan Rice was a cheerleader for Bushs invasion of Iraq (11/02, 12/02, 02/03)
http://www.accuracy.org/release/1737-background-of-obamas-foreign-policy-group/
Assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, Rice has been a prominent foreign policy spokesperson for the Obama campaign. Here are some of her claims shortly before the invasion of Iraq:
I think he has proved that Iraq has these weapons and is hiding them, and I dont think many informed people doubted that. (NPR, Feb. 6, 2003)
We need to be ready for the possibility that the attack against the U.S. could come in some form against the homeland, not necessarily on the battlefield against our forces. And I think there, too, is an area where the American people need to be better prepared by our leadership. Its clear that Iraq poses a major threat. Its clear that its weapons of mass destruction need to be dealt with forcefully, and thats the path were on. I think the question becomes whether we can keep the diplomatic balls in the air and not drop any, even as we move forward, as we must, on the military side. (NPR, Dec. 20, 2002)
I think the United States government has been clear since the first Bush administration about the threat that Iraq and Saddam Hussein poses. The United States policy has been regime change for many, many years, going well back into the Clinton administration. So its a question of timing and tactics. We do not necessarily need a further Council resolution before we can enforce this and previous resolutions. (NPR, Nov. 11, 2002)
Susan Rice advocated the US stay in Iraq for many years to come (04/03)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/03/special/world/sp_iraq-brookings041103.htm
Susan Rice: To maximize our likelihood of success, the US is going to have to remain committed to and focused on reconstruction and rehabilitation of Iraq for many years to come. This administration and future ones will need to demonstrate a longer attention span than we have in Afghanistan, and we will have to embrace rather than evade the essential tasks of peacekeeping and nation building. We would be wise to involve as early as is feasible the UN and key allies in the complex tasks of democracy building and reconstruction, and we would be wise to help foster organic internal processes for selecting a new national leadership in Iraq, as the international community did in supporting the loya jirga process in Afghanistan. We can not be seen to select or anoint new Iraqi leaders. We need also to be to be exceedingly careful with the Americans coming in under General Garner to assume governance roles in Iraq.
Susan Rice at a DC social fete. Great party!:
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leftstreet
(36,108 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)n/t
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)time and time again. Tells you whom controls the levers in D.C.. Military-Industial-Complex.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)which is the main reason I supported Obama over her. but I thought she was a great pick for sos and I think Rice is a great pick the NSA.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)She was wrong about Iraq but what other wars do you mean?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)if it is about Afghanistan, is support(ed) that mission, though I believe it is time to wind it down. Libya? I thought the president did a fine job there. What other wars?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Cause the GOP is talking bad about her so we have to think she must be good for us....that is how triangulation works.
They will run that game on us until it stops working.
summer-hazz
(112 posts)second... Does the GOP REALLY not want her?
This may be the game our parents played on us...
You know.. They say one thing, and we do another thing just because..
Ummm.... Reverse Psychology... are we sure this isn't the game plan?
I question everything, but I am surrounded by very RED, right wing
ding dongs, and hate to think one or two of them might be that clever..
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)summer-hazz
(112 posts)I was in a mood!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)How to move us farther to the right....you offer us something bad or worse...and naturally we have to pick the bad....it is triangulation.
Celldweller
(186 posts)for the last 10 years the WH's best friend and "advocate".
Iraq... Afghanistan, Libya...
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Nor does it justify blind faith support.
Support FOR the Invasion of Iraq is certainly enough to question ANYONE'S judgement.
Everybody with two brain cells to rub together KNEW that Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld were LYING.
Too many here are locked into the Binary World,
or base their political support upon what the Republicans do or think.
summer-hazz
(112 posts)EXACTLY!!!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)godai
(2,902 posts)kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)I wonder what it would take for America to finally recognize what it has done in Iraq.
Then again, I'm not sure I want to know what it would take.
Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #15)
arely staircase This message was self-deleted by its author.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)We will be in Syria with troops on the ground eventually. We just need a "strong UN Resolution" we can point to and for the French to keep saying "Gassing his People with Sarin" over and over and over...or whomever else the Neo-Cons Pay off to repeat what we've done in every country in ME (except Israel) since Bush II/Cheney/Rummy decided it was good business for the US to Invade Irag on the way to hunting down bin Laden in Afghanistan.
How much more of this barf can we "inquiring, informed minds" put up with these days?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And we should all bow down before her extreme brilliance and privilege.... It's what America is about these days.
Plus...there are the Kardashian Family Spawns and so much more Celebrity Porn that one can hardly notice the difference anymore.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)babylonsister
(171,066 posts)why are you so into bashing Dems, constantly?
rug
(82,333 posts)" . . . . and Every Mid-East War Since"
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)lots of sadness from the grieving family.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)she's responsible for those images?
Send this to him.
rug
(82,333 posts)But I am and it isn't.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)how uppity of her.
Astrad
(466 posts)it would be interesting to know if it doesn't concern him at all having a close adviser on national security issues who was robustly for it.
That's a pretty fundamental policy difference. One would think it would lead him to question her judgement. The best spin on it is he likes to have his own opinions challenged to ensure their soundness. Sure hope that's it.
John2
(2,730 posts)do you suggest he has, wasn't for that War? Obama is the President, and he has it within his power to change U.S. Foreign Policy just like President George W. Bush did. If he told Susan Rice, that he wanted to go in a different direction, she will either do it or resign.
John Kerry was for that War, until he ran for President. He is for the current Foreign Policy also with the approval of John McCain and friends. His CIA chief supported that War. The Buck stops with the President if he leads this country to any War, not with his subordinates. The rightwing Congress and their accomplices in the Democratic Party are boxing him in for Wars, even without Public support for it. That is where all the anger needs to be. The Congress needs to be purged of these rightwingers controlling our Policies. Even though they claim they represent their constituents, they are not. They are like tyrants. They are also controlled by corporations and special interest groups, that want this country to go to War. It is not only these rightwing groups, but international groups and Foreign countries like Turkey, France, Britain, Israel and Arab states like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Many of those countries either have rightwing Governments or monarchies and dictators. As far as the French Government, he seems like a phony Leftist and more of a Corporatist.
Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)Advocating the invasion of Iraq demonstrated the WORST JUDGMENT on a major foreign policy decision -- especially after the UN inspectors were readmitted with full access to every site, and finding nothing. I find it very hard to believe that anyone as intelligent as Susan Rice (or Hillary Clinton for that matter) actually believed their own rhetoric about the alleged "threat" Iraq posed to the United States. I find it much easier to believe they knew or strongly suspected the claims of WMD and collusion with al Qaeda was a major con job but thought it was a good move to make anyway -- the worst kind of judgment for a National Secuity Advisor.
And I too am interested in whether this concerns the president at all.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)~Krishnamurti
- Nor is being ''adjusted'' to its sickest people......
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)urging she get quick passage.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)why not rip Democratic Rice as well. Now, Democratic (not so much) as well as GOP are way far from being semi angels and pretty much have fucked the America people on a daily basis from the farest past, past, recent past, up to almost past, current, future, and I'll say no group nor political or corporate are trustworthy.
I'll put more trust in the Dems tho. Trust Libertarians, nope.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Let's also remember who the real enemy is, the real enemy of the American people is the Conservative Republicans. They would hand our collective birthright to Wall Street for a bribe. You know they will.
Susan Rice's appointment is a brilliant move by the President. It not only reminds Republicans in the Senate who is actually in charge, it also gives the President the strongest possible advocate for his point of view on national security issues and decisions. It will be classic pay-back when Rice again faces the Republican Senators who rejected her appointment to be UN Ambassador, only to see her now given a promotion from that post instead.
Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)... only if the move is entirely political and the president won't actually depend on her for advice on national security.
The 2003 invasion of Iraq may prove to be the worst strategic blunder in US history, and Susan Rice was all for it. She showed incredibly poor judgment on probably the most critically important security matter in the course of her career ... and that should disqualify anyone for the post of NSA.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Granted, she is far from the perfect, but I think there is a vast difference between having Susan Rice as the President's National Security Adviser and having someone like that other woman named "Rice" who held the job a few years ago. If it were a perfect World, and I had my picks running things, Elisabeth Warren would be in the White House and somebody more like Claire McCaskill would be NSA.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)color of their jersey doesn't mean anything beyond which side of the stage they stand on during the show.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The "color of their jersey" may not matter much; however, which national political convention they show up at does matter a great deal. The Republicans would have given us Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney. Never forget that.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)make much difference which one lives in the White House. President Obama has done about the same amount of damage as McSame would have, and I don't think Rmoney would have been able to do nearly as much as we like to pretend he would have.
Sure, there are differences, but they are restricted to relatively inconsequential demographics that have little or no effect on the overall course we're on. Marriage equality is wonderful and well past due, but it effects only a part of a tiny minority. ACA will help some and hurt others, but the real winners are the corporate giants that still rule this nation.
Of course, I prefer that the President won reelection, but he hasn't made any significant difference while the people that really matter have continued and accelerated the same agenda that has been moving forward over the last two generations.
The bottom line is that America's time is done. The world is moving on and we left clinging to an illusion of relevance as we ignore what is happening around us.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)In the American political system, voters get two real choices to pick from. Which one they ultimately pick could not be more important for our nation's future. Ask someone who has done three or four tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, they will tell you voting is not some kind of national a sporting event, it is life and death.
President Obama has often been a disappointment, but just think what eight years of George W. did to our country. McCain would have started at least two full blown wars by now (and we wouldn't likely be winning them either). As for Romney, he would have ended our national safety net and handed Social Security over to the thieves on Wall Street.
There are many things worse than a Democratic President who caves in to the right more often than we would like. Which leaders we choose for our country is extremely important.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)the reason for my view. That's where your argument breaks down. In eight years shrub, without a super-majority and a split legislative was able to accomplish almost everything he set out to. President Obama has constantly failed to achieve even inadequate goals where those goals are counter to our race to the irrelevance. It is not just the President either. We've seen the same thing happen over and over again, for over forty years. The team that says, "We work for the little guys" consistently fail to achieve any significant change that favors "the little guy" when they are in power, and they enable nearly limitless achievement for the "big guys".
As I said, it's not that there is no difference between the red and the blue teams, it's that the differences are too small inconsequential to the course we are on.
Remember what were practically the first words out of the newly minted Speaker of the House in 2006? "Impeachment is off the table". Remember who made the illegal wars possible? I could go on all day with example after example going back to when the decision to loot this nation was made.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It really doesn't matter whether one likes it or not or if it is fair or unfair, the fact still remains:
In American politics and voting, one gets only two real choices. Unless one is very wealthy and largely uncaring, or perhaps insanely self-destructive, the correct choice is always to vote for the Democrat.
Sorry if that is disappointing. It is still a fact.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)my partner and I are going to be just fine because of who we are and what we look like, in fact all we would have to do to be much better than fine is to close our eyes and embrace the philosophy of the lesser evil that you say is the best that can be done. But we choose to advocate and work to end this obscenity because it is right.
IOW, we work against our own best interests for no reason other than to help the people you simply disregard or write off as unimportant.
Your philosophy achieves nothing but loss, and that lesson is going to be taught to you again next year, to the greater loss of everyone.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)My perversity-hating friend.
annm4peace
(6,119 posts)these women make me sick.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth