Of course, it just sounds like an 'Ancient Aliens' hour on History Channel.

Boring old stick.

I could be wrong--but this struck me as strange but the speaker (Hellyer) believes he is telling the truth.

Pat Robertson believes if people pray harder, tornadoes will not fall upon them.

Sincere belief does not establish a thing as true.

and makes a ton of money off tricking others into believing it too.

Hellyer is just talking about his experiences, and experience is by definition not invisible. And he (and none of the other hundreds of Disclosure witnesses) ever made a dime off their statements to researchers. And he's not asking anybody else to climb on the bandwagon and believe too. It's just a statement.

He does not offer first-hand testimony; he does not say he has seen these things himself. He says he first became aware of this not while in office but from reading something in 2005. He trots out the whole menagerie of Bilderburgers and Trilaterals and warnings against 'One World Government'. It is not convincing, not to me, anyway.

I'm dying of curiosity to find out from a trusted source what those unexplained ones are. So I keep looking and listening to crackpots. Einstein was one of those, too.

This gentleman's belief is long held, even prior to being Defense Minister. He inaugurated a UFO landing pad back in the late '60's. The testimony above is mostly based after reading Corso's book and conversing with an undisclosed US general who supposedly confirmed everything.

I believe this is a case of seeing what you want to believe, not what is there.

L-

There is far more evidence of visitors than there is belief we are alone in the universe.

There is no evidence at all for the tall tales of 'Ancient Aliens' and the rest of that folderol.

There is certainly every reason to believe life exists elsewhere in the universe, and doubtless some of it is as intelligent or more intelligent than we are.

But that does not obligate me to believe patent lunacy.

Sid

well, watch the video. Or read this:

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/25/former-canadian-defense-official-blasts-us-on-ufo-cover-up/

Same dude posts a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean this video is a hoax.

I really doubt anybody in actual office today would dare to talk like this! In fact, that's the entire purpose of the Disclosure Project.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Get these guys on the record about their suppressed experiences before they are gone forever.

which is a UFO circle-jerk that took place last month in Washington.

They tried to make it credible by having 7 former Senators and Congressional reps sit on a panel, and listen to a bunch of UFO loons, like the aforementioned Mr. Hellyer, drone on and on about how we've been visited by ETs, and it's time for world governments to come out and tell us citizens the truth.

http://www.citizenhearing.org/

'Course, they didn't really make public that they paid each of those 7 former representatives $20,000 each, plus expenses, for the 5 days they spent listening to loons.

Some might say they were underpaid for the crap they had to sit through.

Sid

not just nitwit off the street....open you mind to what could be...

A nitwit of high rank, previously high rank at least.

people that believe the Sun is the center of the Universe, imo.

what's the word?....oh, EVIDENCE.

And my Mother In Law is the center of the universe. Just ask her.

Just because WE humans don't experience something, does not mean the other billions of solar systems just sit in a static state - waiting to be discovered by the only living creatures in existence...US...

It just doesn't sound too plausible when framed like that imo.

To me, it is virtually impossible for life to NOT exist elsewhere in the universe. The fact that we will never meet another species from another planet is testament to how vast space and time are in the universe. But that has nothing to do with if they exist or not.


Yeah...it is all faith, just like everything else we cannot see or understand or comprehend, imo.

But there is no proof they have ever been here.
I guess that is what I was getting at...

AS IF, we MUST be visited for something to actually be true. Kinda like when people though the Sun was the center of the Universe. The fact that it could be going on away and out of our sight and comprehension, does not mean it cannot happen and is not happening right now somewhere else.

To me it is all about probablity. NOT if we have experienced it or not, we have never experienced a direct intervention from a God like persona...but billions still believe in a God like persona.

I agree to one end, the both are faith and not based on proof. We might never have any proof. The universe might be too vast.

The Simpsons is flat out the best show ever written about modern times!

I wouldn't welcome them, I would fight them so I can finally play out the Alien Apocalypse fantasy...imagine my surprise when I don't respawn after being fragged!

speak for yourself

I think the face paint is coming of too...look we just want your water and maybe a few humans...okay maybe a few million...is that too much to ask for? You have billions and we have an intergalactic steak house to run!

The chances of it having visited Earth are what people tend to doubt.

Might not be possible.

Had contact with Earth leaders, and passed on advanced technology for things like clean zero point energy.

And he thinks world governments are keeping this information secret.

The UFOlogy crowd loves him.

Sid

Isn't anyone coming up with any new wacky alien conspiracy theories anymore??

he knows people that knows people that met Darth Vader?

Something with "denier" in it?

call them what you will, nobody can stop you...well except the Lizard Men.

at least until the need for such special status is proven. And we also have one existing example (us) and a vast universe full of stuff very looking similar to the local neighborhood.

So yeah, I totally agree, very unlikely that we are unique or even very special.

The reason we have few visitors is because it's one hell of a long way at the speed of light, and anybody that knows how to exceed the speed of light is unlikely to think that we are interesting, even to exploit, eat, study, colonize, or rule over. We live in an ordinary place out in the galactic sticks. Our technology is primitive, we are very immature, why should they care?

..that's why it's called a constant.

Here you go..

then my simple statement. I agree completely, we have nothing that an advanced race of beings would find interesting enough to come and visit, imo.

Plus there is that speed of light limit thingy...if they have technology so advanced that they can break the light barrier...they probably are exploring alternate universes or sub space. Earth is just a blue ball of water with these funny bi-peds, dominating it and it's environment.

If anything we would make a good longterm, far away observation, experiment.

Will they or won't they destroy their planets ecosystem?

Stay tuned!

I kinda think we would have noticed the massive energy signature of a starship slowing down from near-light-speed travel.


And it's probably a good thing they're not here, too. For one thing, I imagine we probably taste very good slow-roasted with a nice sauce.

More importantly, if star travel was easy and common, we probably would have been discovered and colonized millions of years ago. And thus we would not exist.

Herbivores spend most of their waking hours grazing to extract enough calories from grass and leaves and stuff to survive.

Carnivores and herbivores eat the concentrated energy that is the meat of the herbivores, and they only have to eat a few minutes every day. Maybe an hour. That gives them plenty of time do other things, like invent starships and find Earth.

So, our star travelers are most likely to be meat eaters, at least in part.

Are you red meat or white meat? And, perhaps more importantly, which wine best goes with you?

That's not plausible.

Thousands knew about bits and pieces of it. Nobody ever put the whole thing together.

These guys (Disclosure witnesses) talk about being threatened with their lives if they revealed their experiences.

despite "being threatened with their lives", they are still perfectly alive and well, AND their books are published and sold. In multiple edditions.

How do you reconcile that?

Sid

talking to his banana.

I know a bit if his history. He was Defense Minister a long time ago, and has lost most of his marbles since then.

Sid

Must be the cold air and long nights messing up their minds.

The UFO loon world isn't a very big one.

Sid

And this shit belongs in Creative Speculation although it is an embarrassment even being anywhere on DU...

Was it you who said this back in the day?

Galileo is a fucking loon...



Just the thought that you think we are the only *ahem, intelligent life in all of creation is what is laughable and scornworthy.

the only life in the universe.

But that doesn't mean Hellyer is any less of a fucking loon.

Sid

I was speaking more toward the general attitude toward some 'woo' here.

I think anything is possible and magic is real when it comes to science and new discoveries of our vast worlds and our very small ones.

I'm an atheist so when people laugh at 'space aliens' I wonder if they are religious and believe in that bearded guy up in the sky that is really bad with money. (thank you, George Carlin).

..conflating the probability of life elsewhere with evidence of visitation. When one does this.. one is *begging* for scorn and ridicule.

Here you go..

Until we grew up a little.

Welcome!

Any intelligent, non-belligerent species would stay right away from us. I would question the motives of any form of extraterrestrial life that tried to force a publicized first contact on us right now.

We are now finding that other solar systems are commonplace, rather than rare. With that the chances for earth like planets greatly increases and so does the chance of intelligent life. First contact will eventually come, but I don't think we are ready for it quite yet.

...that as portable cameras have improved in quality, the number of filmed "encounters" has dropped? Those cloaking devices are getting pretty sophisticated...

You just haven;t looked, and why should you? You've already decided they are BS. Evidence such as home video or NASA video won't convince you. But there is LOTS. unknown to you.

...then I began to think about how transcendentally large the Galaxy is, and how impractical it would be (absent technology akin to magic) for manned craft to make it from a planet capable of supporting life to here. I certainly believe there's life elsewhere in the universe; just not that they visit.

they have been here for thousands, maybe millions of years. maybe they start4ed out here. Nobody knows what those things are. They don't have to be spacecraft from another galaxy. They could be scientists from our own future, experimenting with time travel.

It's a hoot--

..it's annoying and it makes goofy newage losers out of otherwise reasonable people.

here ya go..

....all of those images really are UNIDENTIFIED. I would submit however that none of those images clearly suggests a spacecraft capable of carrying aliens to Earth across the vastness of space.

but some are really amazing and don't look falsified.

LIVE aliens, living in US, right now. The creative name "Tall Whites"? The Bilderbergers? World Government? The Cabal?
Aliens sharing technology with US government?

yesterday there was an entity in the 7/11 buying diet Mountain Dew and beef jerky , we all know that humans could die if the had Diet Dew and beef jerky .

Fuck it, can't keep straight face anymore!

Hellyer believes that Aliens have contacted World leaders and want to share advanced technology, but won't do so because 'the American military keeps shooting' at them.

He believes the US military has the go-ahead to build a forward operating base on the moon to make it easier to track the comings and goings of ETs, and to shoot at them, if they so decide.

Sid

And it sure as fuck wasn't "official testimony in Canadian Parliament".

It was a meeting of UFO loons called the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, which took place a month ago in Washington.

http://www.citizenhearing.org/

At least get your facts right if your going to post this nonsense in GD.

Sid

..and lose any and all respect for the tinfoilhat crowd who insists and trotting out the same ignorant swill time after time.. year after year.

i really do wish these conspiracy threads would be locked and spanked.

Especially the part about this stuff being locked. We have a Creative Speculation Group for a reason.

Sid

Strange beings.
Odd things seen.
Pictures painted (and then photographed, look up the Cottingly Fairies that even fooled the writer of Sherlock Holmes.)
People "abducted" and then weird and/or horrible things done to them.

Most of these were sightings of odd lights (such as a torch or lamp refracted over miles,) and quite vivid dreams.
Also the syndrome known as "sleep paralysis."

Just add in lurid sci-fi magazines, movies and TV and presto! Instant "phenomenon."

Sid

He's an interesting person.

surrounded by em

That he talked and met with Aliens

What is going on in Canada?

courtesy of Mitchell and Webb.