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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:30 PM Jun 2013

This is what I am being told justifies killing a person in "self defense"

A couple of scratches.



I have suffered worse injuries than those when I cut myself shaving.

We are being told that suffering a couple of tiny scratches in a fight justifies shooting and killing an unarmed teenager. Wrap your head around that and think about just how fucked up that is.

The fact that we are even having a debate over whether or not the killing of Trayvon Martin was justified shows just how nuts the NRA and their George Zimmerman defending minions have become, any sane person should realize that suffering a scratch does not justify homicide.

I think people should have the right to defend themselves, but when people try to tell me that suffering a couple of tiny scratches justifies killing an unarmed person that shows just how insane the definition of "self defense" that the gun nuts are promoting has become.

Even if murder and perjury suspect George Zimmerman's story were completely true, I still can not possibly see how killing Trayvon Martin would have been justified. If Zimmerman's story were true I would accept shoot to wound as self defense, but I have not heard any credible reason as to why shoot to kill was necessary in the situation Zimmerman was in even if his story were true.

Yet the gun nuts insist that they should have the right to shoot to kill on the basis of suffering a couple of tiny scratches in a fight. We can not allow the gun nuts to weaken the standards for what constitutes reasonable self defense, if Zimmerman's ridiculous self defense claim holds up I hate to think of the precedent it will set.

Most people support the right to self defense, but the sane among us will never allow anyone to tell us that suffering a couple of scratches justifies shoot to kill.

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This is what I am being told justifies killing a person in "self defense" (Original Post) Bjorn Against Jun 2013 OP
Only trouble is madokie Jun 2013 #1
BS the video was low quality Celldweller Jun 2013 #2
You think someone might have photoshopped the police surveillance video? Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #4
I think what you're saying is BS madokie Jun 2013 #5
Exactly. When he first was in Police HQ he didn't have a mark on him. n/t monmouth3 Jun 2013 #9
You can't claim self defense when you start the shit NightWatcher Jun 2013 #3
Shooting your way out when your mouth writes checks your ass can't cash. Major Nikon Jun 2013 #6
How about "If he started the shit you cannot acquit!' N-T Logical Jun 2013 #7
You are unarmed a guy comes at you with a gun upaloopa Jun 2013 #8

madokie

(51,076 posts)
1. Only trouble is
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jun 2013

the picture taken of him shortly after this happened when he was first taken to the police station did not and I repeat did not show any of these cuts.
riddle me that

 

Celldweller

(186 posts)
2. BS the video was low quality
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jun 2013

blurry and possibly p-shopped.

There is photo evidence from the scene maybe 5 minutes after the shooting and several others from the next 2 hours.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. I think what you're saying is BS
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:37 PM
Jun 2013

the video at the police station was shortly after this happened and I don't for a minute think it was photoshopped.
These pictures shown here surfaced some later.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
6. Shooting your way out when your mouth writes checks your ass can't cash.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jun 2013

Only the gunnutiest of gun nuts would promote the self defense angle.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. You are unarmed a guy comes at you with a gun
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:46 PM
Jun 2013

Are you going to try and hurt him before he can shoot you?
I feel Zimmerman got what he was asking for and if it were not for SYG he would be tried for murder,

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