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Neue Regel

(221 posts)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:23 PM Feb 2012

The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains

The world's greatest snow-capped peaks, which run in a chain from the Himalayas to Tian Shan on the border of China and Kyrgyzstan, have lost no ice over the last decade, new research shows. The discovery has stunned scientists, who had believed that around 50bn tonnes of meltwater were being shed each year and not being replaced by new snowfall.

The melting of Himalayan glaciers caused controversy in 2009 when a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change mistakenly stated that they would disappear by 2035, instead of 2350. However, the scientist who led the new work is clear that while greater uncertainty has been discovered in Asia's highest mountains, the melting of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern.

"Our results and those of everyone else show we are losing a huge amount of water into the oceans every year," said Prof John Wahr of the University of Colorado. "People should be just as worried about the melting of the world's ice as they were before."

The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges – sometimes dubbed the "third pole" – are definitely melting. Satellite images and reports confirm this. But over the study period from 2003-10 enough ice was added to the peaks to compensate.



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The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows (Original Post) Neue Regel Feb 2012 OP
Not again. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #1
Not again - what? RC Feb 2012 #2
I think the poster means the climate models were wrong, again Neue Regel Feb 2012 #5
Oh. Now I get it. renie408 Feb 2012 #8
Thanks bongbong Feb 2012 #3
The headline was copied and pasted from the Guardian. How is it misleading? Neue Regel Feb 2012 #4
????? bongbong Feb 2012 #17
Ok. renie408 Feb 2012 #6
This post will earn you NO popularity points. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #7
It took me a minute to figure out why fiber count was important to this thread. renie408 Feb 2012 #9
meh...I've been unpopular before Neue Regel Feb 2012 #10
And the ice loss everywhere else is because...?? renie408 Feb 2012 #11
No edhopper Feb 2012 #15
"n any large group if one does not parrot established truthisms" obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #16
"parrot established truthisms" trumad Feb 2012 #18
If you were to study the computer models you would understand that places on earth Bandit Feb 2012 #20
Can ice be lost twice? Electric Monk Feb 2012 #12
How does this feed into 'No global warming'? RC Feb 2012 #13
It's actually called edhopper Feb 2012 #14
Dude--- trumad Feb 2012 #19
 

Neue Regel

(221 posts)
5. I think the poster means the climate models were wrong, again
Reply to RC (Reply #2)
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:28 AM
Feb 2012

But, even though they were wrong, they're still right.

 

Neue Regel

(221 posts)
4. The headline was copied and pasted from the Guardian. How is it misleading?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:26 AM
Feb 2012

Did the Himalayas and nearby peaks actually lose ice?

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
17. ?????
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:00 PM
Feb 2012

Are you saying a headline can't be misleading if it is from the Guardian?

It is misleading because the article itself says "The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges". The headline does not match that statement.

Critical thinking is a must in a world where corporate (i.e, anti-people) interests control 99% of the media.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
6. Ok.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:31 AM
Feb 2012

Did I miss the 'post a random article' memo? Is there a point here? Want to expound...cause if you think the point here is obvious, I am not getting it. Of course, it's 3:30 am where I am and I can't sleep, so maybe it will be clear to me in the morning.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
9. It took me a minute to figure out why fiber count was important to this thread.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:34 AM
Feb 2012

Seriously. I must be tired.

 

Neue Regel

(221 posts)
10. meh...I've been unpopular before
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:42 AM
Feb 2012

Generall speaking, in any large group if one does not parrot established truthisms, large numbers of people get upset at you because you're rocking the boat. Why can't everyone just go along to get along? Don't shake up the status quo!

I have to say, though, that it stands to reason if the earth has been warming as much as we have been told wouldn't we see some ice loss in this region? Even just a little?

renie408

(9,854 posts)
11. And the ice loss everywhere else is because...??
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:59 AM
Feb 2012

No, don't answer that. Just forget that.

I think you think that you are unpopular because you are this lone voice of reason trying to swim against a tide of brainwashed zombies washing downstream. I am really mixing my nautical metaphors there, but you get the idea. I don't think this post is complete bullshit because everybody else thinks it is complete bullshit. I think it is complete bullshit because the fact that the ice is still the same thickness now on the top of the highest mountain peaks in the world as it was ten years ago does ZERO to refute global warming. How about the ice just a little bit further down? Is it just as thick as ten years ago? Where does the ice level change? Has that line been gradually moving up the mountains implying that given enough time, there WILL be a change in the ice at the top of the Himalayas?

I believe in global warming because the globe is getting warmer. That seems pretty straight forward to me. Now, I know that in your head I just joined the ranks of the brainwashed zombies. And that's whatever.

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
15. No
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
Feb 2012

you do not understand Global Climate Change. See my post #14.

Your statement does not apply to scientific discovery. See Einstein, Bohr, Watson & Crick, Alvarez et al.

obamanut2012

(26,099 posts)
16. "n any large group if one does not parrot established truthisms"
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:33 PM
Feb 2012

Do you not believe in climate change?

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
18. "parrot established truthisms"
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:05 PM
Feb 2012

Could you not be more obvious?

Hey look---it's snowing very hard ---so---chuckle---chuckle---chuckle---where is Global Warming?

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
20. If you were to study the computer models you would understand that places on earth
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:32 PM
Feb 2012

will vary.. Some will become more dry, some more wet, some cooler some warmer, but as a whole the earth will get warmer and lose more ice than it builds...During this last decade it would appear that the mountains in this area are not loosing ice. They aren't gaining ice either.. Other mountain ranges such as the Andes are losing ice in large degree. I don't believe there are ANY scientist anywhere that doubt the earth is warming....The reasons are what is being debated..

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
13. How does this feed into 'No global warming'?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
Feb 2012

Just because the ice at very high altitudes is not disappearing? It still is at lower altitudes.

"Global Warming" can and does cause cooling in some areas. That in itself is not proof global warming in not happening.

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
14. It's actually called
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
Feb 2012

Global Climate CHANGE! And some areas, like the interior of Antarctica will recieve more snow, while it's coastal areas melt. This does not change the model.
As a matter of fact the ocean levels fell last year by a very small amount. This was because the extra water from the rising temps fell as rain inland and flooded place like Autstralia. The amount of liquid water, not frozen, continued to increase.

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