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National Security Leaker Edward Snowden Is Running Out Of Money To Pay His Hotel Bill
The man responsible for one of the biggest U.S. intelligence leaks in history, 29-year old Edward Snowden, has been staying in a room in a Hong Kong hotel for the past three weeks.
And now, says CNN, he is running out of money.
One of the two Guardian reporters who broke the story with Snowden, Ewen MacAskill, says the cost of the hotel is beginning to max out Snowden's credit card.
The Guardian reporters, Glenn Greenwald and MacAskill, who are also in Hong Kong, declined to reveal what hotel Snowden is staying in.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-running-out-of-money-2013-6
warrior1
(12,325 posts)I feel for his parents. This has got to be a nightmare.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)He's just winging it at this point.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)and seeing as Snowden has already been blessed as the hero of the century and truthsayer of all time by some, the cash will be coming in from the gullibles in large amounts.
randome
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I think ABC news interviewed his dad.
LeftInTX
(25,565 posts)Sorry don't have a link
marshall
(6,665 posts)Aiding and abetting, comfort to the enemy, or whatever the government wants to charge them with.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)commonly known since at least 2006. You can't have it both ways.
wandy
(3,539 posts)rehash Benghazi for the next three and a half years every time their is a lul in the news.
It's scandal season don't 'cha Know.
Did they find that blue dress yet?
Oh wait wrong scandal season.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but not enough to really hurt his US handlers.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)funyy, aint it?
Igel
(35,359 posts)There are the actual programs (or, in the case of Prism, the program). Collection of metadate. Surveillance of overseas emails. That sort of thing. Old stuff.
Then there are the claims about stuff surrounding the programs. The ability for anybody, well, if they have sufficient authority, to eavesdrop on phone calls of anybody in the US within a few seconds of making the decision to eavesdrop. The claim that he's done so.
The claim, or at least the inference, that the data extraction is automatic, in real time, and all-encompassing without the need of a court order. For both all telephone call information as well as Internet metadata and, to be as thorough in one's inference as possible, Internet data.
This would be one of the biggest intelligence leaks in history. Sort of. It leaks precious little actual intelligence, to be honest. Manning leaked more intelligence. But it's less importantly in geopolitical terms--the Manning oath-breaking in pursuit of his own morality mostly confirmed what had been said and pointed out a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that led to pretty much nothing. The Snowden leak would point out pretty much nothing, if people were paying attention, but calls all kinds of stuff to the potential bad guys' attention. And, if the last couple of charges are true, could create some really serious damage for the NSA and other intelligence services.
Now, for the eavesdropping/listening-in claim he should have some evidence. He doesn't. He has a claim that those who have always believed the government were doing these things whole-heartedly (already) believe(d).
Same for the all-encompassing "everything's monitored" claim. Another "I want to believe" moment.
He does adduce "evidence"--but the evidence, although light, has extreme angular momentum. In other words, it's being spun at a prodigious rate. It doesn't confirm what he says--it's merely consonant with what he said. It can be taken as being in agreement with what he said. But it's also in agreement with what Obama's administration's said. It's all in the interpretation, in what context you want it to have. That's sucky evidence.
However, the information he does provide, although old and out of context, is taken by some as indisputable confirmation of the unconfirmed claims. A simple CT sacn--a "critical thinking scan"--puts most of the "largest intelligence leaks in history" claim on hold.
premium
(3,731 posts)I guess this means that we can't believe a thing he says, quick, let's start another thread about how he is mean to his animals now.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I hope you are well paid in your profession.
Cha
(297,723 posts)can't take a different opinion than their own exhalted one.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I did see a continuation of a series of ad hominem attacks which are adding to the noise in an already noisy (or low signal) situation.
I do not claim the OP is paid to post here or anywhere, but simply offer the observation that if they apply the enthusiasm they show here to their profession, they should be well paid.
Cha
(297,723 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)That I am so inflexible about?
It ain't in the OP.
B2G
(9,766 posts)still_one
(92,422 posts)brush
(53,876 posts)What's wrong with his house or apartment here in the U.S.? Or did he work in Hong Kong?
Makes it seem like he's running.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Yeah, that was really his 'reason' for fleeing the U.S.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)He is running. The U.S. is rather powerful, and he is quite afraid.
-Laelth
Monkie
(1,301 posts)isnt that the message you can take from this, he was in the inside, i assume he is better informed than you are.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)EXACTLY where he is and even what he had for breakfast.
I mean, after all, we live in a police state now.
randome
(34,845 posts)If the Truly Powerful are this incompetent, we have nothing to worry about!
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JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)Five security experts walk into the police state bar.
They are very good at watching for damaging leaks.
They are so good that they even watch each other.
One security expert leaks damaging information.
And the bartender says.......
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)'4 Intelligence Officials' Allegedly Joke Of 'Disappearing' NSA Leaker, Reporter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022984773
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)If he used his credit card to pay for the room, even if before the leak, the government now knows where he is.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)lol.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I lost track of what number on the horrible things about Snowden list this was.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Cha
(297,723 posts)Too bad you didn't read the whole article.. it's actually says good things about Edward Snowden.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Drones will darken the skies over Hong Kong.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)interesting bit of idiocy from a man who appears to be in hiding and knows how things can be tracked and spied upon.
Anyone else see the irony in this?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)He could tap the President's phone ... but forgets that his credit card can be tracked?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)what are we left with...except a Zimmerman type fund raiser, where there is no obligation for this guy to account for any of the donations. And this is all different from the Palin grifter processes, how?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)In Zimmerman's case, he did something that should be illegal, probably with out actually planning to do it initially, and then after, has set up a way to make money. Here the grift is a reaction to a situation.
Palin, while surely a grifter, has done nothing illegal.
This guy seems to have planned to do what he did knowing it was illegal and that he'd be in trouble. And you can't use the money if you end up in jail. It seems like a high risk grift if cashing in was part of the original plan.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts).......granted one was more directly than the other.
But the similarity for exists on the basic level, that many of those followers have decide that this is somehow a test case for their personal preferences and are willing to pay this other person to play guinea pig in a court of law to test their personal presumptions.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)there was ever a hope of secrecy...when using a credit card that is almost maxed out.
BeyondGeography
(39,382 posts)Probably too late Ed, but it's the best deal out there:
http://www.chungkinghouse.com/rooms/rooms.html
No room service, though.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)His credit card transactions can be traced, and its pretty easy to figure out what hotel he is staying at
Cha
(297,723 posts)Time for a fundraiser so he can be comfortable while not "hiding"..
Hong Kong and the U.S. maintain a bilateral extradition treaty, but it includes exceptions for political crimes. It is unclear how the Chinese government, which maintains significant influence in the Special Administrative Region, will react to Snowdens presence or how they will treat him. He told the Post that he is seeking asylum from any countries that believe in free speech and oppose the victimization of global privacy.
http://swampland.time.com/2013/06/09/four-things-to-know-about-surveillance-leaker-edward-snowden
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)They can turn those off in the blink of an eye.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)ridiculous.
as the guy planned this jaunt, i seriously doubt he just planned to charge everything.
tridim
(45,358 posts)M'kay.
Donations accepted, Paypal address forthcoming in 3...2...1...
Cha
(297,723 posts)the Community College"?
Community College Says NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Took No "Cyber-Related Classes"
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06/nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-community-college-computers
Just sayin'