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You cannot privatize government let alone national security (Original Post) malaise Jun 2013 OP
It seems to me you can. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #1
It seems to me we did. russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #2
It seems to me we do it at our own peril. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #5
I very much agree. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #17
US history suggests otherwise... PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #3
Yes, according to the Constitution, congress can, quite explicity. Article one, section 8, clause 18 stevenleser Jun 2013 #4
And then put former employees like Clapper, Bush guy, into Government positions where sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #6
It's freaking crazy sabrina 1 malaise Jun 2013 #11
Or that they are from one of our friendly dictatorships, on a work program, like Bahrain sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #20
That's the problem with this entire neo-liberal and neo-con agenda malaise Jun 2013 #21
The idea of privatization of national security seems somewhat analogous to oxymoronic sprinkled indepat Jun 2013 #7
+1,000 malaise Jun 2013 #12
Google letters of marque and reprisal sometime Recursion Jun 2013 #8
Right you are - America had its own pirates and terrorists even in the 18th Century. leveymg Jun 2013 #10
Forgive my naivete malaise Jun 2013 #13
Machiavelli warned in The Prince not to be reliant on mercenaries. Private Intel & MIC contractors leveymg Jun 2013 #9
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Jun 2013 #14
Erik Prince is Lt. Milo Minderbinder. Blackwater is M&M Enterprises. leveymg Jun 2013 #18
What a Catch! malaise Jun 2013 #19
It has generally been noted that when an Empire found it necessary to resort to mercenaries, sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #25
Every step we've taken in the Mideast this century has benefited leveymg Jun 2013 #26
"Citizens United" and Michigan's soon-to-be-used-everywhere "emergency manager" laws disagree. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #15
Maybe I should have added if you want to keep the illusion of malaise Jun 2013 #16
emergency manager laws? What fresh hell is that? I missed it…. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #23
Nice post and right on. That little act of thievery they pulled Enthusiast Jun 2013 #27
"When I want something and I don't wanna pay for it." ~Jane's Addiction, "Been Caught Stealing" Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #31
Boy Howdy! That's my main point in all this. Ditching private contractors is the patriotic thing to KittyWampus Jun 2013 #22
That simple malaise Jun 2013 #24
Too late... bluedeathray Jun 2013 #28
sometimes you have to, an example is someone with a skillset you want loli phabay Jun 2013 #29
That's far too much of a blanket statement, rendering it wrong. cali Jun 2013 #30
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
4. Yes, according to the Constitution, congress can, quite explicity. Article one, section 8, clause 18
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jun 2013

The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. And then put former employees like Clapper, Bush guy, into Government positions where
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jun 2013

they have access to information that would be very beneficial to his former Employers at Booz Allen.

What could go wrong with putting our rights in the hands of Private Contractors and their former employees now in government? And why are former Bush men, who worked for Private Contractors like Booz Allen now in the administration of a Democratic President?

Did you trust Bush with your rights? Booz Allen, Clapper? Did we vote for these people to defend and protect our rights? Who are they? They are a multi billion dollar private Government Security Contractor who have had problems in the past with the way they operate.

malaise

(269,187 posts)
11. It's freaking crazy sabrina 1
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jun 2013

How do we know that these dumbos contractors hire aren't the same ones ripping off credit cards, etc.
This is effin' crazy.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. Or that they are from one of our friendly dictatorships, on a work program, like Bahrain
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jun 2013

or Uzbekistan eg, in return for allowing us to keep our bases in their countries. We know nothing about them or their employees, or their backgrounds.

It's 'fucking crazy' as you say, Malaise, and even more fucking crazy to see ANYONE trying to defend it. It kills me to see Ari Fleishcher, Rep Peter 'we count the votes' King and other Bush loyalists, the very criminals we tried to get prosecuted, congratulation the president WE elected to stop them?? I know I feel like a complete idiot right now.

malaise

(269,187 posts)
21. That's the problem with this entire neo-liberal and neo-con agenda
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 06:31 PM
Jun 2013

Cheap labor for profit and war at all costs. I want no part of it.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
7. The idea of privatization of national security seems somewhat analogous to oxymoronic sprinkled
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jun 2013

with a tad of moronic and idiotic?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. Google letters of marque and reprisal sometime
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jun 2013

It's much older than the US, and specifically sanctioned by the Constitution

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
10. Right you are - America had its own pirates and terrorists even in the 18th Century.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:40 PM
Jun 2013

It's a business model that's continued to grow to this day.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. Machiavelli warned in The Prince not to be reliant on mercenaries. Private Intel & MIC contractors
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jun 2013

are today's mercs, and the most dangerous type as they have access to all details of our private lives, and have no real chain of command they have to answer to. It's practically impossible to terminate a military contractor once its leached onto a federal agency. Look at Blackwater, for instance - it IS the CIA.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. Erik Prince is Lt. Milo Minderbinder. Blackwater is M&M Enterprises.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jun 2013

Here's another apt quote for you:

1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: "What's good for M & M Enterprises will be good for the country."

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. It has generally been noted that when an Empire found it necessary to resort to mercenaries,
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jun 2013

they were about to collapse. Why don't we call them Mercenaries, instead of the 'contractor' tag? Because everyone knows how low you must be going when you are hiring mercenaries.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
26. Every step we've taken in the Mideast this century has benefited
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jun 2013

China and Saudi Arabia. To them, we are their mercenaries and debt peons.

Let's finish the job by arming the Syrian rebels and attacking Iran. Not.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
15. "Citizens United" and Michigan's soon-to-be-used-everywhere "emergency manager" laws disagree.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Both are direct products of the Koch brothers, through their PACs the "tea party" and "citizens united", among their many PACs.

The "emergency manager" laws are a smash-and-grab ala the vulture capitalism depicted in the 1980s film "Wall Street". They are literally selling infrastructure and outlawing unions and unionizing. Debt is the lever from which they work this scheme, and Wall Street are profiting $474 million from Detroit's debt alone. Rick Snyder, governor of Michigan, is a stealth "tea party" candidate, so the Koch connection is right there.

Also see what they're doing to Benton Harbor and Pontiac, Michigan via this "legislation". Especially Benton Harbor's prime beach-front property.

Rachel Maddow broke these stories; her articles/video are highly recommended.

Why? Because this is "austerity". Notice that the US is in debt (TO WHO?) for Bush's wars, to the tune of trillions of dollars? They're waiting to use that debt as a hammer to smash the US economy and to force "austerity" (meaning, WE pay for everything, meaning it's a smash-and-grab) down our throats.

"Debt is their business model!" ~The 99% Illuminator, message upon a Wells Fargo building

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
27. Nice post and right on. That little act of thievery they pulled
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:16 AM
Jun 2013

in Benton Harbor was especially egregious.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
31. "When I want something and I don't wanna pay for it." ~Jane's Addiction, "Been Caught Stealing"
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:13 PM
Jun 2013

Capitalism at its most base.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
22. Boy Howdy! That's my main point in all this. Ditching private contractors is the patriotic thing to
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jun 2013

do. Higher standards, more oversight, less taxpayer money squandered.

bluedeathray

(511 posts)
28. Too late...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:34 AM
Jun 2013

I'm not sure how you would interpret government that represents and is controlled by the ruling class (i.e. 1%).

But to me it sounds like privatized government.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
29. sometimes you have to, an example is someone with a skillset you want
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:38 AM
Jun 2013

Who does not want to work directly for the government but rather as a contractor.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. That's far too much of a blanket statement, rendering it wrong.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:44 AM
Jun 2013

So government should build all roads itself and not contract it out? There's a valid argument to be had here but you didn't make it.

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