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Snowden Put his own teanuts in a vice by stating USA Spying on Americans while secretly talking to Greenwald....UNDETECTED,
His Story is complete bullshit, nobody was "Spying" on him, What a fabricated lying asshole.
OH, SORRY,
The Link
(757 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)ah, never mind.
Skittles
(153,209 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Is it possible that he's using the same techniques to communicate that the Terrorists have been using, which is why we didn't know jack about the Boston Bombing until they went boom?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Irony can be so ironic sometimes.
rug
(82,333 posts)BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)Anymouse
(120 posts). . . and the reporter actually waited several months, because he is not tech savvy and decided what he was working on was more important at the time than a putative bombshell reveal from someone he'd never heard of.
The details are at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald_n_3416978.html?1370895818=
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Secure as Fort Knox, even from the NSA. The rest can be had off site to obscure routing and origin. Not perfect, but it's enough.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Due to several requests received today from members of the press community and others we felt it was in the best interest of time and consistency to provide a statement regarding today's developments and stories surrounding the NSA Prism surveillance program.
The Tor Project is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to providing tools to help people manage their privacy on the Internet. Beyond our free, open source technology and extensive research we actively foster important conversations with many global organizations in order to help people around the world understand the value of privacy and anonymity online. As a result, members of the core Tor team and the greater Tor community are out in the world sharing knowledge and insights with countless individuals every day - many times handing out free Tor stickers; with no donation requested or expected. Edward Snowden, like tens of thousands of people, put Tor stickers on their devices. He likely got it at a conference from one of us in the past year.
Today, as always, the team at Tor remains committed to building innovative, sustainable technology solutions to help keep the doors to freedom of expression open.
For more on our view on this situation visit also our blog post:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/prism-vs-tor.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)is a Firefox browser that goes thru proxies.
It is a slow FF browser.
magellan
(13,257 posts)...until after something happens.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)One of the main reasons to sweep all the info up is to have access to the info after an attack
The tele-coms delete all of their info after 30 to 90 days - if the NSA didn't get the info to save then it would be completely gone.
So, using Boston as an example...
After a terrorist does something and they know his name they can go into the NSA meta-database and search to see who that person has communicated in the past in order to see if there are other people in the cell.
If the data is not stored/save by someone then there would be no way to go back and collect info the investigation.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)But some of the bone heads don't completely understand or care about FACTS.
magellan
(13,257 posts)...and phone conversations stored for anyone with the access and desire to look at. I'm not. It's as repugnant to me now as it was when Bush** was doing it. It's an abuse on par with learning the USPS had been opening and making copies of every piece of of mail we send for years.
And don't bother with the "warrant" bullshit. There's no oversight and they have to self-report when they make a mistake and look at the wrong records; what in the world makes anyone think someone with intent would bother?
Finally, as you point out, it stops nothing. The Boston bombers and their family/friends were dumbfucks. Real terrorists aren't.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Phone 'conversations' are not being stored, only the meta-data is being stored: phone numbers and length of calls.
In order to 'wire-tap' a phone they have to go to a judge, show probably cause, and get a subpoena to tap an individual phone.
magellan
(13,257 posts)Inform yourself.
The National Security Agency has at times mistakenly intercepted the private email messages and phone calls of Americans who had no link to terrorism, requiring Justice Department officials to report the errors to a secret national security court and destroy the data, according to two former U.S. intelligence officials.
At least some of the phone calls and emails were pulled from among the hundreds of millions stored by telecommunications companies as part of an NSA surveillance program. James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, Thursday night publicly acknowledged what he called a sensitive intelligence collection program after its existence was disclosed by the Guardian newspaper.
Ret. Adm. Dennis Blair, who served as President Obamas DNI in 2009 and 2010, told NBC News that, in one instance in 2009, analysts entered a phone number into agency computers and put one digit wrong, and mined a large volume of information about Americans with no connection to terror. The matter was reported to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose judges required that all the data be destroyed, he said.
Another former senior official, who asked not to be identified, confirmed Blairs recollection and said the incident created serious problems for the Justice Department, which represents the NSA before the federal judges on the secret court.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)to wire tap a phone they have to have a subpoena from a judge for that individual phone.
Where it says: "... some of the phone calls and emails were pulled from among the hundreds of millions stored ... "
Those are the NUMBERS. Not conversations.
magellan
(13,257 posts)Were you around back in the day when we discussed "trigger words" here, and compiled lists of official ones to use on the phone and in emails to clog up their system? Why do you think we did that?
Have you read this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022986240
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)magellan
(13,257 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Good lord!
magellan
(13,257 posts)And this kind of data-mining has been known about since Bush**.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)There are NOT 'millions' of recorded conversation being sweep up by NSA.
They are sweeping up the meta-data. The meta-data is the phone 'numbers' of who people call and who call them and a number that reflects the time of the call.
magellan
(13,257 posts)Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)Why DID you do that?
Do you honestly think a bunch of people on DU "clogged up the system" by using "official trigger words" compiled by a group of people on a message board?
Really?
magellan
(13,257 posts)Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)were the only people who figured that out.
magellan
(13,257 posts)Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)one has to use the thing - even when it should seem obvious.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)There is no plausible suspicion of EVERYBODY. Handed down by a fucking secret court.
Similar enough to be no real improvement in substance. Though style points have gone up, way to show up with a piece of paper that says warrant on it as far as I'm concerned and if you don't like them apples then you can go straight to hell for all I care.
The efforts to destroy your own rights by willful distortion is pretty much insane.
How do you get from
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
to everybody on Verizon and likely everybody on you name it? Hell, both seeking and worse granting a warrant is unconstitutional from jump. There is no probable cause by definition. I know folks on Verizon, what is your case on them?
Why the fuck is someone I donate my money to, voted for, volunteered for, and campaigned endlessly for asking for and carrying out such mockeries?
The little efforts you folks are swooning over seem pretty cynical and contemptuous to me and still miss the point.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)no really,
Sancho
(9,070 posts)When he communicated with snowden.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)If you wanna be really cutting edge, try experimenting with sincerity and expressing your true thoughts.