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Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:55 PM Jun 2013

PROOF The NSA Is Not Looking At Americans..

Snowden Put his own teanuts in a vice by stating USA Spying on Americans while secretly talking to Greenwald....UNDETECTED,
His Story is complete bullshit, nobody was "Spying" on him, What a fabricated lying asshole.
OH, SORRY,

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PROOF The NSA Is Not Looking At Americans.. (Original Post) Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 OP
... The Link Jun 2013 #1
Since one conversation among the 300 million who have conversations was missed... morningfog Jun 2013 #2
satire? Skittles Jun 2013 #3
Hard to tell these days Cal Carpenter Jun 2013 #5
Who The Hell Knows Anymore ??? - Grassy Knowl... Highly Ironic... WillyT Jun 2013 #9
Or... Savannahmann Jun 2013 #4
Grassy Knoll. What a screen name for a post like this. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #6
Well, I understand the name better. rug Jun 2013 #7
Nah he uses encrypted communication BenzoDia Jun 2013 #8
He helped set up encryption first . . . Anymouse Jun 2013 #10
He loaded a secure system on Greenwald's computer. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #11
Gnu Privacy Guard, a free PGP. longship Jun 2013 #19
Apparently he is/was also a fan of Tor Electric Monk Jun 2013 #26
Tor Go Vols Jun 2013 #29
Or proof the NSA is collecting so much data on Americans it's generally useless magellan Jun 2013 #12
Yes, that's when it's important... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #13
Thanks Tx.... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #14
You seem to be one of those who's fine with having their private emails magellan Jun 2013 #15
Bush did not go thru the FISA court. Obama is not doing what Bush did. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #16
Yes, phone conversations and emails ARE being stored magellan Jun 2013 #18
In your excerpt 'phone calls' means the 'numbers'. They do not record the actual phone conversation Tx4obama Jun 2013 #21
What proof do you have of your interpretation? magellan Jun 2013 #22
They don't have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS recorded conversations. They are talking about 'numbers' n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #23
So you've got nothing to back you up. Thanks. n/t magellan Jun 2013 #24
Turn the news on. NO ONE is saying there are MILLIONS of recorded conversations, only you. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #25
No, not only me. magellan Jun 2013 #27
Yes, meta-data. But NOT recorded phone conversations. There is a HUGE difference. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #33
I know what metadata is, thank you. n/t magellan Jun 2013 #35
Well, I'll bite. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #28
The point is we knew they were collecting content back then. n/t magellan Jun 2013 #30
And I'll bet that DU posters Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #32
Wrong again. n/t magellan Jun 2013 #34
I should know that nowadays Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #36
Warrant? That is some super tired bullshit to the point of making a mockery of the whole concept TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #20
I'm Happy for you...... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #17
Greenwald reported he encrypted emails... Sancho Jun 2013 #31
From your post, I can tell you're pissed about something, but your point isn't very clear. Bucky Jun 2013 #37
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
4. Or...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jun 2013

Is it possible that he's using the same techniques to communicate that the Terrorists have been using, which is why we didn't know jack about the Boston Bombing until they went boom?

Anymouse

(120 posts)
10. He helped set up encryption first . . .
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:08 PM
Jun 2013

. . . and the reporter actually waited several months, because he is not tech savvy and decided what he was working on was more important at the time than a putative bombshell reveal from someone he'd never heard of.

The details are at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald_n_3416978.html?1370895818=

longship

(40,416 posts)
19. Gnu Privacy Guard, a free PGP.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jun 2013

Secure as Fort Knox, even from the NSA. The rest can be had off site to obscure routing and origin. Not perfect, but it's enough.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
26. Apparently he is/was also a fan of Tor
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:54 AM
Jun 2013
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tors-response-prism-surveillance-program

Due to several requests received today from members of the press community and others we felt it was in the best interest of time and consistency to provide a statement regarding today's developments and stories surrounding the NSA Prism surveillance program.

The Tor Project is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to providing tools to help people manage their privacy on the Internet. Beyond our free, open source technology and extensive research we actively foster important conversations with many global organizations in order to help people around the world understand the value of privacy and anonymity online. As a result, members of the core Tor team and the greater Tor community are out in the world sharing knowledge and insights with countless individuals every day - many times handing out free Tor stickers; with no donation requested or expected. Edward Snowden, like tens of thousands of people, put Tor stickers on their devices. He likely got it at a conference from one of us in the past year.

Today, as always, the team at Tor remains committed to building innovative, sustainable technology solutions to help keep the doors to freedom of expression open.

For more on our view on this situation visit also our blog post:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/prism-vs-tor.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
12. Or proof the NSA is collecting so much data on Americans it's generally useless
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jun 2013

...until after something happens.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
13. Yes, that's when it's important...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jun 2013

One of the main reasons to sweep all the info up is to have access to the info after an attack

The tele-coms delete all of their info after 30 to 90 days - if the NSA didn't get the info to save then it would be completely gone.

So, using Boston as an example...

After a terrorist does something and they know his name they can go into the NSA meta-database and search to see who that person has communicated in the past in order to see if there are other people in the cell.

If the data is not stored/save by someone then there would be no way to go back and collect info the investigation.



magellan

(13,257 posts)
15. You seem to be one of those who's fine with having their private emails
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:32 PM
Jun 2013

...and phone conversations stored for anyone with the access and desire to look at. I'm not. It's as repugnant to me now as it was when Bush** was doing it. It's an abuse on par with learning the USPS had been opening and making copies of every piece of of mail we send for years.

And don't bother with the "warrant" bullshit. There's no oversight and they have to self-report when they make a mistake and look at the wrong records; what in the world makes anyone think someone with intent would bother?

Finally, as you point out, it stops nothing. The Boston bombers and their family/friends were dumbfucks. Real terrorists aren't.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
16. Bush did not go thru the FISA court. Obama is not doing what Bush did.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

Phone 'conversations' are not being stored, only the meta-data is being stored: phone numbers and length of calls.

In order to 'wire-tap' a phone they have to go to a judge, show probably cause, and get a subpoena to tap an individual phone.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
18. Yes, phone conversations and emails ARE being stored
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jun 2013

Inform yourself.

Officials: NSA mistakenly intercepted emails, phone calls of innocent Americans

The National Security Agency has at times mistakenly intercepted the private email messages and phone calls of Americans who had no link to terrorism, requiring Justice Department officials to report the errors to a secret national security court and destroy the data, according to two former U.S. intelligence officials.

At least some of the phone calls and emails were pulled from among the hundreds of millions stored by telecommunications companies as part of an NSA surveillance program. James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, Thursday night publicly acknowledged what he called “a sensitive intelligence collection program” after its existence was disclosed by the Guardian newspaper.

Ret. Adm. Dennis Blair, who served as President Obama’s DNI in 2009 and 2010, told NBC News that, in one instance in 2009, analysts entered a phone number into agency computers and “put one digit wrong,” and mined a large volume of information about Americans with no connection to terror. The matter was reported to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose judges required that all the data be destroyed, he said.

Another former senior official, who asked not to be identified, confirmed Blair’s recollection and said the incident created serious problems for the Justice Department, which represents the NSA before the federal judges on the secret court.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
21. In your excerpt 'phone calls' means the 'numbers'. They do not record the actual phone conversation
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:27 AM
Jun 2013

to wire tap a phone they have to have a subpoena from a judge for that individual phone.


Where it says: "... some of the phone calls and emails were pulled from among the hundreds of millions stored ... "
Those are the NUMBERS. Not conversations.



magellan

(13,257 posts)
22. What proof do you have of your interpretation?
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jun 2013

Were you around back in the day when we discussed "trigger words" here, and compiled lists of official ones to use on the phone and in emails to clog up their system? Why do you think we did that?

Have you read this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022986240

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
25. Turn the news on. NO ONE is saying there are MILLIONS of recorded conversations, only you.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:49 AM
Jun 2013

Good lord!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
33. Yes, meta-data. But NOT recorded phone conversations. There is a HUGE difference. n/t
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jun 2013

There are NOT 'millions' of recorded conversation being sweep up by NSA.

They are sweeping up the meta-data. The meta-data is the phone 'numbers' of who people call and who call them and a number that reflects the time of the call.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
28. Well, I'll bite.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jun 2013

Why DID you do that?

Do you honestly think a bunch of people on DU "clogged up the system" by using "official trigger words" compiled by a group of people on a message board?

Really?


TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
20. Warrant? That is some super tired bullshit to the point of making a mockery of the whole concept
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jun 2013

There is no plausible suspicion of EVERYBODY. Handed down by a fucking secret court.

Similar enough to be no real improvement in substance. Though style points have gone up, way to show up with a piece of paper that says warrant on it as far as I'm concerned and if you don't like them apples then you can go straight to hell for all I care.

The efforts to destroy your own rights by willful distortion is pretty much insane.

How do you get from

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


to everybody on Verizon and likely everybody on you name it? Hell, both seeking and worse granting a warrant is unconstitutional from jump. There is no probable cause by definition. I know folks on Verizon, what is your case on them?

Why the fuck is someone I donate my money to, voted for, volunteered for, and campaigned endlessly for asking for and carrying out such mockeries?
The little efforts you folks are swooning over seem pretty cynical and contemptuous to me and still miss the point.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
37. From your post, I can tell you're pissed about something, but your point isn't very clear.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:29 AM
Jun 2013

If you wanna be really cutting edge, try experimenting with sincerity and expressing your true thoughts.

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