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Cyrano

(15,071 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:07 AM Jun 2013

Snowden is the new “shiny object” but he’s not the issue.

“Hang the traitor!”

“He’s an enemy of the state!”

“Off with his head!”

Too many in our political class are trying to make Snowden the issue. Don’t get distracted. What’s important is what our government has done and is still doing. And my guess is, we don’t know the half of it.

And that “Don’t worry if you haven’t done anything wrong” bullshit doesn’t hold water. Try telling that to Richard Jewel whose life was ruined by the FBI when he discovered that bomb at the Olympics in Atlanta.

Our government is doing more damage to our liberties than any “terrorist” could dream of.

And to those of you who don't agree, how would you feel if a "President" Romney were in charge right now?

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Snowden is the new “shiny object” but he’s not the issue. (Original Post) Cyrano Jun 2013 OP
k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #1
This episode makes it crystal clear why the deniers want so badly to identify a leader of Occupy. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #2
exactly backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #3
Yep. Good point. Cyrano Jun 2013 #4
you are so right! G_j Jun 2013 #7
We already see how journalists are intimidated noise Jun 2013 #5
Please name some liberties that have been denied. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #6
Start with the 4th amendment to the Constitution. Cyrano Jun 2013 #8
And tell me how this has been denied to you? nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #9
Amendment IV Cyrano Jun 2013 #10
Recording content of e-mails and phone calls is a blatant violation. reformist2 Jun 2013 #12
knr forestpath Jun 2013 #11
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
2. This episode makes it crystal clear why the deniers want so badly to identify a leader of Occupy.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jun 2013

Then they could try to change the focus from the message to the messenger like they do with whistle-blowers.

G_j

(40,372 posts)
7. you are so right!
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jun 2013

go back to the WTO Seattle demonstrations and you can see how the leaderless paradigm frustrates the hell out of the 'man'! Traditionally, they move to take down the leaders.

noise

(2,392 posts)
5. We already see how journalists are intimidated
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jun 2013

and their potential sources are afraid of being tracked and prosecuted under the Espionage Act.

Do we really want a world in which Zero Dark Thirty is the model of government transparency? Propaganda vehicles which are intended to turn citizens into cheerleaders?

Cyrano

(15,071 posts)
8. Start with the 4th amendment to the Constitution.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jun 2013

For all practical purposes, it doesn't exist in the Bill of Rights anymore (unlike the 2nd amendment/commandment).

Cyrano

(15,071 posts)
10. Amendment IV
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:15 PM - Edit history (1)

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I know the language is kind of arcane, but, in effect, this is a right to privacy. Not to mention that emails and other items taken from us were not "particularly desribed" in warrents before being seized. Can anyone say with a straight face that this amendment is in effect today?

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