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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:02 PM Jun 2013

At first I thought it was odd that BoozAllen hired a high school dropout. Now it makes sense.

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Whose jaw didn't drop open finding out that Snowden a one time security guard and high school dropout got hired to be an analyst to the tune of $200,000? This seemed beyond comprehension then suddenly it made sense. What seems clear to me that his job is so automated that highly technical knowledge is not required. The essential requirement is for employees to keep mum about their activities. What better to insure silence then to hire people who haven't a hope in hell ever to make anything close to $200000?

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At first I thought it was odd that BoozAllen hired a high school dropout. Now it makes sense. (Original Post) snagglepuss Jun 2013 OP
It was $122,000 not $200,000 atreides1 Jun 2013 #1
I read 200,000 but if that is wrong no matter. My point still stands. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #3
Did that include bonuses? (I haven't been paying attention.) nt IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #4
That is according to BoozAllen which is obviously a lame brain organization. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #7
Per diems, allowances, differentials, bonuses. Gov't intel contracting is lucrative. leveymg Jun 2013 #8
He worked for that outfit for three months NoPasaran Jun 2013 #14
he has worked as a govt contractor for 4 yrs I heard... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #27
He seems to have changed jobs quite a bit NoPasaran Jun 2013 #29
that is not unusual in IT frankly VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #30
Or security guards NoPasaran Jun 2013 #31
Absolutely! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #33
Says Booz GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #35
Guess they couldn't pay enough for his silence. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2
Exactly because people whose lives are completely motivated by money cannot comprehend snagglepuss Jun 2013 #5
Proving once again: There really are some things money cannot buy. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #6
Or someone else is paying him more. baldguy Jun 2013 #16
then he wouldn't have outed himself usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #22
It could be simpler than that... JHB Jun 2013 #9
But in a sea of highly qualified job seekers why hire a dropout? I think it's that they snagglepuss Jun 2013 #13
When I read "high school dropout", "Booz Allen Hamilton" and "CIA" in the same sentence Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #10
That's the concept behind the economic hitman book. Baitball Blogger Jun 2013 #11
I bet there is a lot of truth to that Enrique Jun 2013 #12
And Snowden started talking to Greenwald in January, a month before he started working there. baldguy Jun 2013 #15
But Snowden held similiar positions with other contractors snagglepuss Jun 2013 #19
His mother is an IT professional pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #17
You might be surprized at how many technical experts in high places are self-taught. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #18
How do you know the level of technical skill required for his job? snagglepuss Jun 2013 #20
Is it necessary to know that to say what I did? nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #23
Your comment refers to self-taught technical expertise, a point on which I concur. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #24
To clarify what I said above, Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #36
Knowledge Trumps Credentials in High-Tech usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #21
Never said that he wasn't intelligent. My point is that his not being educated might have been a snagglepuss Jun 2013 #25
well that doesn't add up as being technically proficient usually indicates not only intelligence but usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #26
That notion pretty much fails... pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #28
And you know this, how. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #37
Just look up their job criteria on the web pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #39
But not in government civil service jobs. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #32
I suspect Snowden is an example of cronyism like Assange, another of the 1%. freshwest Jun 2013 #34
Supposedly, he only worked there THREE MONTHS....So SoCalDem Jun 2013 #38

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
7. That is according to BoozAllen which is obviously a lame brain organization.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

I want to see a pay stub before I believe anything they say.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. Per diems, allowances, differentials, bonuses. Gov't intel contracting is lucrative.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jun 2013

It adds up. Also the first $83,000 of income earned abroad is tax free.

NoPasaran

(17,291 posts)
14. He worked for that outfit for three months
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jun 2013

How many bonuses could he have collected? Lots of places, your insurance doesn't even kick in until after 90 days.

And last I heard, Hawaii isn't "abroad".

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
5. Exactly because people whose lives are completely motivated by money cannot comprehend
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jun 2013

that others may not share their obsession. Clearly they assume everyone has a price and have relied on that to insure the security of their operations.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
9. It could be simpler than that...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jun 2013

Remember the "cost-plus" contracts in Iraq, where contractors loaded up expenses because the higher the bill presented to the government, the larger the profit payout?

I doubt the case with BoozAllen is quite that simple, but there may be a similar dynamic at play: higher overhead becomes simply more justification to charge more, and they are well-established, long-term contractors (over 70 years) so they have the political- and lobbying-clout to pretty much get it.

If more bloat means more profit, they have an incentive to pay a hell of a lot more than minimum wage.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
13. But in a sea of highly qualified job seekers why hire a dropout? I think it's that they
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:45 PM
Jun 2013

want people they assume will conform and don't ask questions.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. When I read "high school dropout", "Booz Allen Hamilton" and "CIA" in the same sentence
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:54 PM
Jun 2013

all I can think of are these possible explanations:

1. He has a family member with a *LOT* of pull in the intelligence community....(or conversely he was given his job by an unknown higher-up for the sole purpose of being a useful idiot)

2. He was that type of child prodigy who was so smart he fails or drops out because conventional education literally bores him...(based on what I see and hear of him, this is evidently not the case)

3. Dropping out of high school/washing out of Special Forces was the "cover" and he really is a hardcore super-spy

4. Hiring standards in that field have *really* gone down the shitter...I was living in D.C. a decade ago trying to change careers, and the my friends at the time getting $80-90k salaries and higher for contractors or the federal gov't pretty much told me not to bother applying without prior military experience and/or knowing someone on the inside who could push my resume through...These are some of the most hotly contested jobs in the country for a reason...

Baitball Blogger

(46,763 posts)
11. That's the concept behind the economic hitman book.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jun 2013

They pick people who have seen enough of the rich side to get seduced by the money.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
12. I bet there is a lot of truth to that
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jun 2013

there is so much risk however, they must have other ways of minimizing the risk. Maybe some kind of psychological profile that Snowden fit into. And then of course, the immense consequences they will lay on him.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
15. And Snowden started talking to Greenwald in January, a month before he started working there.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:57 PM
Jun 2013

Curiouser and curiouser.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
18. You might be surprized at how many technical experts in high places are self-taught.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:03 PM
Jun 2013

Skill trumps all in many industries.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
24. Your comment refers to self-taught technical expertise, a point on which I concur.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jun 2013

My question is why mention this when we don't know whether anything other than relatively basic technical ability was required. I'd like to know what are the exact qualifications for his position.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
36. To clarify what I said above,
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:31 AM
Jun 2013

I would say that, based on my personal experience, technical ability is not as closely coupled with formal education as one might at first suppose. It doesn't hurt and is almost inevitably good! However, it is not strictly necessary to be a cyber ninja. Silicon Valley is full of self-taught millionaires, and the three-letter-agencies have a history of looking for hacking talent in unlikely places.

That said, it's probably impossible to even discover what his job title was, since it was, of course, classified. :p

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
21. Knowledge Trumps Credentials in High-Tech
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jun 2013

I have meet many in the industry.

What get's me is going after this guy because he dropped out of HS, lots of people do, it isn't a crime, and has no bearing on your intelligence or your character as Snowden has clearly demonstrated.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
25. Never said that he wasn't intelligent. My point is that his not being educated might have been a
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jun 2013

point in his favor as BoozAllen may want people who aren't curious or ask questions and they assume that HS dropouts fit that bill.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
26. well that doesn't add up as being technically proficient usually indicates not only intelligence but
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jun 2013

also a high level of curiosity.

I think most folks who work with tech geeks realize that.

I think they hired him because of his skills, and security clearances.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
28. That notion pretty much fails...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jun 2013

...because they hire a ot of people with academic credientials--the intellectually curious.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
34. I suspect Snowden is an example of cronyism like Assange, another of the 1%.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 04:56 AM
Jun 2013
Brains are not required if connected by social position to the well funded.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
38. Supposedly, he only worked there THREE MONTHS....So
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jun 2013

he got paid $50K to live in Hawaii for 3 months & upset the applecart ... Not a bad gig for a dropout..

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