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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:46 PM Jun 2013

License, registration and cell phone: Bill would let N.J. cops search phones after crashes

TRENTON — License, registration and cell phone, please.

Police officers across New Jersey could be saying that to motorists at the scenes of car crashes if new legislation introduced in the state Senate becomes law.

The measure would allow cops — without a warrant — to thumb through a cell phone to determine if a driver was talking or texting when an accident occurred. It requires officers to have "reasonable grounds" to believe the law was broken.

Supporters say it could be an important tool for cops investigating crashes in a state where distracted driving causes lots of accidents and driving while using hand-held cell phones is illegal.

Opponents say it could touch off a contentious legal debate over whether giving officers such access violates a motorist’s right to privacy or protections against unreasonable search and seizure.

There were 1,840 handheld cell phone-related crashes in New Jersey in 2011, resulting in 807 injuries and six deaths, according to the state Division of Highway Traffic Safety

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/06/license_registration_and_cell.html
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madville

(7,412 posts)
1. Sounds reasonable to me
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jun 2013

Texting and Internet surfing drivers are probably the deadliest threat on the road today. I see people swerving and running off the road everyday, almost every one of them has a phone in their face.

madville

(7,412 posts)
17. And if proven those should carry a greater penalty as well
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jun 2013

Eating, smoking, makeup, cell phone, reading, etc are all distracted driving and should carry a greater penalty if there is evidence.

A cell phone would happen to be the evidence in this case.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
2. After the incidents I've seen in traffic, I have a hard time arguing against this one.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jun 2013

There are enough bad drivers out there without providing them another distraction and, frankly, I'm sick of hearing about the number of new drivers who are killed within the first year of receiving their license because they were texting.

Dog knows how we all got by with only landlines... what a primitive culture we were fifteen years ago.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
3. Exactly what information are they permitted?
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jun 2013

Knowing whether or not the phone was sending receiving voice/data at the time of incident is one thing. Accessing an app that reports speed, location etc. While pertinent is an overreach.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
6. Speed and braking info are built into all new cars now.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jun 2013

One of the insurance companies even has a dongle you can plug into your car to track your driving habits for risk assessment and rates.

They've got us coming and going.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
12. But your seperate GPS is not admissible
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jun 2013

It could just as easily be ones bookmaking records on an app. What about a mistresses phone number and calling history. Is something on the phone completely unrelated still admissible as evidence against you?

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
16. There's a GPS that keeps track of my bets and all my hookers phone numbers????
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jun 2013

Does it count David Vitter's diaper changes?

GM cars have GPS built-in. It's called "On-Star" if you've never seen a commercial. All cars now have acceleration/deceleration capture built in.

Even if you're not using the "On-Star" service, I'll bet it's still got tracking information, so don't buy from GM.

Please don't argue with me if you don't know anything about cars.

disidoro01

(302 posts)
4. It would
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jun 2013

be easy to get a warrant, A warrantless search is illegal. Could a person be prosecuted if they were not found to be texting or on the phone but found that they had set up a pot buy with a friend via text?
This would allow a police officer to have access to anything on that phone. Bank accounts, email accounts, pictures, any stored data. I feel that given all of the information on phones, this would reach the threshold of unreasonable search and seizure.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
7. If you can delete a text that's being written at the time of the accident...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jun 2013

it would make waiting for a warrant useless. Guess we'll all have to memorize our dealer's digits.

Boy-Oh, they've have a hoot interviewing all the old people and business contacts in my address book.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
8. if there is reasonable cause
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jun 2013

They can get the phone records from the carrier... as is done every day.

No need to gut the 4th admendment

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
13. Can the carrier tell if the person is writing a text AS an accident happens?
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jun 2013

I don't think so, but I don't text on the cell phone, so I don't know... my fingers are gigantic.

I half agree with you, this one is sticky, and I hate the thought of vague laws. But we've all been on the road with morans who can't drive and chew gum at the same time. Writing texts on the DC beltway is an invitation to a murder conviction.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
5. I am fine with this. and I would love to see cell phones made impossible to use in the drivers seat
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jun 2013

even those not hand held take away from seeing the road.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. Password protect your phones. You don't want the cops thumbing through
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jun 2013

your contact list, browsing history, map history....

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
14. +1000. Also, if you are in a wreck delete all history before cops arrive. Make them get...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jun 2013

a warrant.

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