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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts) Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:56 PM Jun 2013

Question for people who support secret NSA activities. Why buy into the argument that this

collection of personal info/metadata is strictly to uncover terrorist plots? How do any of you know that Koch is not involved or at some point in the future won't be involved in surveillence? How do you know that these private companies aren't compiling secret files on activists/leftwing "radicals" either on their own accord or at the behest of other private concerns?

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Question for people who support secret NSA activities. Why buy into the argument that this (Original Post) snagglepuss Jun 2013 OP

How do you know the police are not digging through your garbage every night? randome Jun 2013 #1

But we now have evidence that reams of information that can be easily accessed is being snagglepuss Jun 2013 #2

'can' be easily accessed. Your garbage is easily accessed, too. randome Jun 2013 #3

Why store anyone's garbage indefinitely? snagglepuss Jun 2013 #4

You're wasting your time PSPS Jun 2013 #5

randome

(34,845 posts)

1. How do you know the police are not digging through your garbage every night?

Reply to snagglepuss (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:58 PM

Jun 2013

Absent evidence to the contrary, all of us pretty much let the system operate on its own.

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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)

2. But we now have evidence that reams of information that can be easily accessed is being

Reply to randome (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:09 PM

Jun 2013

compiled and we know that private companies are collecting this data and keeping it. They are are not deleting data that doesn't relate to possible terrorist plots.

randome

(34,845 posts)

3. 'can' be easily accessed. Your garbage is easily accessed, too.

Reply to snagglepuss (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:13 PM

Jun 2013

That doesn't mean anyone is doing so. If the widespread control and blackmail is going on that some say, where is the evidence of this?

Why does the SCOTUS vote the 'wrong' way sometimes?
Why did the FISA court recently rule against the NSA?

Anything can happen. But so far we have no evidence that the laws and regulations are not being followed.

We just have Ed Snowden's allegations. And he has disappeared after saying "I have nothing to hide."

If even Stephen Colbert is mocking Snowden, that's just as much 'evidence' to me -and more convincing, actually- than something Snowden says.

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snagglepuss

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4. Why store anyone's garbage indefinitely?

Reply to randome (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:14 PM

Jun 2013

PSPS

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5. You're wasting your time

Reply to snagglepuss (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:04 PM

Jun 2013

Nothing will change the mind of a "worshiper." It's like trying to reason with a republican during the bush junta or, as Barney Frank said, "talking to a dining room table." It's a belief system and personality cult.

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