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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:26 PM Jun 2013

Has there been an article/thread yet regarding who actually 'owns' the meta-data?


Since the government isn't coming into people's homes to look at individual cellphones etc it sounds like this isn't a question of individual privacy.

I'm thinking that probably 'legally' the meta-data that is at the telecoms doesn't belong to the 'customers' therefore they (the customers) have no say about how long it can be stored or if they (the telecoms) can or cannot give a copy of what is on their (the telecoms) computers to the NSA.

The data that the telecoms have is the details of which phone numbers that THEY (the telecoms) connect phones to other phone numbers via THEIR (the telecoms) equipment.

Have any legal eagles addressed this issue yet?

p.s. Also, IF NSA is forced to shut down - then there will probably be a new regulation put into place that makes the tele-coms store their data for more than the current 30 to 90 days that they do now. And if that happens it's going to cost the telecoms tons of money and then they will be passing that cost on to the customers.
Just a thought.

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Has there been an article/thread yet regarding who actually 'owns' the meta-data? (Original Post) Tx4obama Jun 2013 OP
Let's say you go to a doctor, and he sends you for some lab tests Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #1
What a good question. Change has come Jun 2013 #6
It belongs to the government...the most valuable collection of data that ever existed... dkf Jun 2013 #2
Sorry, I must not have said it clearly enough. I meant when the data is still at the tele-coms... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #4
It belongs to the telecoms dkf Jun 2013 #5
Your last point is especially valid. randome Jun 2013 #3
Here is a decent article... Purplehazed Jun 2013 #7
Thanks for the link. I've posted it in Good Reads Tx4obama Jun 2013 #8

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
1. Let's say you go to a doctor, and he sends you for some lab tests
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jun 2013

Then he reports to the government that you had some lab tests. He doesn't tell them the results, just which tests you took and when.

He tells them you took an HIV test, a drug test, and a psychiatric evaluation for schizophrenia.

He doesn't tell the government what the results of the tests were, just that you took the tests.

That's meta-data.

Do you feel comfortable with that?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
2. It belongs to the government...the most valuable collection of data that ever existed...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jun 2013

Capable of destroying people's lives, useful for manipulation and blackmail.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
4. Sorry, I must not have said it clearly enough. I meant when the data is still at the tele-coms...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:44 PM
Jun 2013

BEFORE the government receives it to put into backup storage, before the telecoms delete their own files.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
5. It belongs to the telecoms
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:50 PM
Jun 2013

But there are contracts that define the usage I believe.

Political Donor lists are often sold. After Howard Deans campaign ended it was acknowledged the volunteer and donor lists had a decent value.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Your last point is especially valid.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:43 PM
Jun 2013

If a process hadn't been set up to streamline the system, a lot more expense and complexity would be involved, which would also be rife with opportunities for interception of the data, misuse, etc.

The current system just makes it easier for everyone involved.

And so long as individual numbers are not examined -only those that fall into the matching patterns they are looking for and that involve a foreign endpoint- then no one is being 'spied upon', IMO.

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