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DeltaLitProf

(770 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:10 AM Jun 2013

Important Bob Cesca story debunking Greenwald, which few DUers have read yet

If you read this, you'll understand why so many of us have trouble trusting Glenn Greenwald.

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-under-scrutiny-key-facts-turning-out-to-be-inaccurate/

It turns out, the NSA PRISM story isn’t quite the bombshell that everyone said it was. Yes, there continues to be a serious cause for concern when it comes to government spying and overreach with its counter-terrorism efforts. But the reporting from Glenn Greenwald and the Washington Post has been shoddy and misleading.

We shouldn’t shrug off our weakened privacy as a merely a side effect of the digital age, either. We ought to fight to preserve as much of our personal information as possible. So if there’s any benefit to the NSA news, it’s to serve as a reminder that, yes, the government is serious about attaining information in its war on terrorism and that we should be aware of what’s going on — checking it when it gets out of control.

But with new contravening information emerging since the original stories were posted by Greenwald and the Washington Post, it’s clear that the reporting by each news outlet was filled with possibly agenda-driven speculation and key inaccuracies.

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Important Bob Cesca story debunking Greenwald, which few DUers have read yet (Original Post) DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 OP
Uh - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #1
Thanks. If this was posted here before I missed it. Whisp Jun 2013 #2
update: Whisp Jun 2013 #3
"The collapse of jounalism" and the Rise of Cha Jun 2013 #4
the collapse of journalism has a great deal to do with the surveillance state and the concentration HiPointDem Jun 2013 #5
Meanwhile in TV appearances Greenwald maintains the original story DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #6
It's been amazing how many people who pleasure themselves to the tenets of "truth and justice" Number23 Jun 2013 #7
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
2. Thanks. If this was posted here before I missed it.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jun 2013

lying weasel glenn

7. Additionally, the NSA whistleblower who provided the information to the Washington Post was quoted as saying, “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type.” Without direct access to the servers this would be impossible — that is, unless the NSA was intercepting user data in transit. But that’s not what Greenwald reported, which was direct server access. This was the bombshell — that the NSA could grab information at will — and, as of this writing, it’s inaccurate.

holy shit!

By the end of the day Friday, Business Insider reported that the Washington Post had revised its article. The article no longer reported that the tech companies “knowingly” cooperated with PRISM. But, more importantly, the phrase “track a person’s movements and contacts over time” in the article’s lede was revised to “track foreign targets.” There’s a huge difference between the two phrases

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
3. update:
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jun 2013

UPDATE: This post by ZDNet’s Ed Bott is a phenomenal takedown of the Washington Post‘s reporting on this story, including a side-by-side comparison of the significant changes between the Post’s initial article and what it morphed into later. Clearly the Post rushed to press with a half-assed article, subsequently inciting outrage. Then, while everyone had run off to accuse the Obama administration of being “worse than Bush” the Post altered key facts in the story. It’s a dark chapter for American journalism.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/

The real story in the NSA scandal is the collapse of journalism

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
5. the collapse of journalism has a great deal to do with the surveillance state and the concentration
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:55 AM
Jun 2013

of power.

it;s all the same story.

DeltaLitProf

(770 posts)
6. Meanwhile in TV appearances Greenwald maintains the original story
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jun 2013

. . . and has even upped the ante by now saying he has a list of names of those surveilled.

My prediction: there's no such list.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
7. It's been amazing how many people who pleasure themselves to the tenets of "truth and justice"
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jun 2013

around here have very casually, very thoroughly and very DELIBERATELY overlooked the Post's rather astonishing walk back of their original reporting.

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