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boston bean

(36,223 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:06 AM Jun 2013

N.S.A. Disclosures Put Awkward Light on Previous Denials

WASHINGTON — For years, intelligence officials have tried to debunk what they called a popular myth about the National Security Agency: that its electronic net routinely sweeps up information about millions of Americans. In speeches and Congressional testimony, they have suggested that the agency’s immense power is focused exclusively on terrorists and other foreign targets, and that it does not invade Americans’ privacy.

But since the disclosures last week showing that the agency does indeed routinely collect data on the phone calls of millions of Americans, Obama administration officials have struggled to explain what now appear to have been misleading past statements. Much of the attention has been focused on testimony by James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, to the Senate in March that the N.S.A. was not gathering data on millions of Americans.

When lawmakers returned to the Capitol on Tuesday for the first time since the N.S.A. disclosures, however, the criticism was muted.

In carefully delivered statements, Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio; Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader; and Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, all said the programs were authorized by law and rigorously overseen by Congress and courts.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/us/nsa-disclosures-put-awkward-light-on-official-statements.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

We can agree it's been happening for years. However, please stop with the meme that we all KNEW the gov't was collecting this info on all Americans for years. When the people doing the collecting are saying they aren't doing something and it's all secret, how are you suppose to KNOW for SURE it was happening for years.
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N.S.A. Disclosures Put Awkward Light on Previous Denials (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2013 OP
Here's the problem: ProSense Jun 2013 #1
trying to confuse people with random non sequiturs Enrique Jun 2013 #2
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #3
We knew they were collecting info. Now we know how they're using it. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #4

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. Here's the problem:
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:17 AM
Jun 2013

"We can agree it's been happening for years. However, please stop with the meme that we all KNEW the gov't was collecting this info on all Americans for years. When the people doing the collecting are saying they aren't doing something and it's all secret, how are you suppose to KNOW for SURE it was happening for years."

...We have known for years, and Senators know even more, but with much of the information classified, people are making up the facts as they go along. I haven't see a single credible report that suggests that PRISM is anything but a program of foreign targets. Yet the frenzy reporting is conflating the two programs and making all kinds of misleading claims. This will never get sorted out. Never.

At this point, people who are convinced and pushing these claims will never believe the facts.

A Tale of Two NSA Leaks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022985087

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
2. trying to confuse people with random non sequiturs
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jun 2013

it's as good an approach as any to defend the government. Better than smearing the whistleblowers, I guess.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
4. We knew they were collecting info. Now we know how they're using it.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jun 2013

I'll say it again. It's Google for Tyrants.

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