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Kick this thread if you can think for yourself. (Original Post) ProSense Jun 2013 OP
I used to be able to. sibelian Jun 2013 #1
At least you're honest. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #2
Actually, I was lying that time... sibelian Jun 2013 #60
Also I am fond of Ice Cream nt el_bryanto Jun 2013 #3
Kick for a factual gas pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #4
Why use facts when you can move the goal posts with learn-as-you-go debate tactics? BenzoDia Jun 2013 #5
Kicking for free will and critical thinking, we need both siligut Jun 2013 #6
Heh, normally I hate roaches and are allergic to them but... undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #17
I thought that was a sandwich flamingdem Jun 2013 #86
Maybe new glasses would help? siligut Jun 2013 #94
Sorry, I'm an Obamabot. My mind is controlled by the Dark Lord. Embrace the horde. Serve the state. freshwest Jun 2013 #7
I'm part of the problem ProSense Jun 2013 #12
...but "whitehouse.gov" ? bvar22 Jun 2013 #83
I'm into data to make informed choices. If it's good, or factual, that's one facet there. freshwest Jun 2013 #95
No you don't. Cha Jun 2013 #84
If I kick this thread I'm letting you think for me. Kablooie Jun 2013 #8
But but .. ananda Jun 2013 #9
Can't because I don't take orders from you. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #10
+1 jimlup Jun 2013 #11
It wasn't an "order" it was a request. ProSense Jun 2013 #13
You're... pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #14
life is unfair..so I just stare...at the stain on the wall AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #30
:) pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #36
what does it take warrprayer Jun 2013 #90
I can't think for myself. kentauros Jun 2013 #15
Addendum: kentauros Jun 2013 #19
That's all true. But I'm ready for ya, Doc. freshwest Jun 2013 #85
This would be me...most of the time... Tikki Jun 2013 #16
The problem is, threads like this are like asking atheists to weigh in on a religious matter. randome Jun 2013 #18
I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #22
Hong Kong Eddie!... SidDithers Jun 2013 #24
Yes. "Hong Kong Eddie"! Good one! randome Jun 2013 #26
LOL @ Hong Kong Eddie... greatauntoftriplets Jun 2013 #72
I weigh in on such matters undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #29
I think of it similarly. randome Jun 2013 #35
LOL pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #20
exactly my thought. cali Jun 2013 #21
you had one. Whisp Jun 2013 #45
ooh, honey, you are just so clever. I'm awed by your repartee. stunned by your cali Jun 2013 #46
ah, cupcake, so you admit to being stunned. Whisp Jun 2013 #47
mine was stupidicus Jun 2013 #69
I also like 90-percent Jun 2013 #23
Oh the irony.... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #25
it's intentional... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #56
Mam, Yes, Mam! Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #27
Whoa, whoa, whoa! ProSense is female? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #57
Uhm. Now you're making me unsure. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #58
My way of judging gender is pretty flawed: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #62
Neither have I. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #68
Wouldn't kicking this thread mean that you cannot think for yourself? Renew Deal Jun 2013 #28
You made my head hurt graywarrior Jun 2013 #39
I need more coffee after that one mimi85 Jun 2013 #48
. libodem Jun 2013 #31
The fact that nineteen50 Jun 2013 #32
"Education is teaching things that are true; OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #33
Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #34
Kick because I don't need help from CATO. ucrdem Jun 2013 #37
That's the wrong CATO. Now this is CATO: freshwest Jun 2013 #98
?!?!?! Fuddnik Jun 2013 #38
Lost. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #87
I prefer facts, but I come here for frenzied reporting and hyperbole nt FarCenter Jun 2013 #40
Despite teh hyperbole and hysteria pscot Jun 2013 #41
Not sure. The Fox News Channel has never told me if I can think for myself or not. ieoeja Jun 2013 #42
Kick because Ayn Rand and her little brother Rand Paul can go fuck themselves. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #43
gooble gobble frylock Jun 2013 #44
Kick. And it gets really silly CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #49
huge K&R nt! nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #50
You're not going to tell ME to think for myself!! I'm going to...um, never mind. randome Jun 2013 #51
Not only can I think for myself... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #52
Spread the joy. randome Jun 2013 #61
K & R MoreGOPoop Jun 2013 #53
I don't know, I can't decide. nt clarice Jun 2013 #54
I'm not sure if I should kick this or not. Little help, please? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #55
Here you go. randome Jun 2013 #63
Excellent. In language I can understand. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #65
for people who can think for themselves Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #59
Where's the "kick button"? jorno67 Jun 2013 #64
here here!!! HeroInAHalfShell Jun 2013 #66
Mrs. grantcart gave me permission to answer yes. grantcart Jun 2013 #67
Is this another of your Obama apology threads? bowens43 Jun 2013 #70
What an ironic post... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #71
It's a masterpiece. sibelian Jun 2013 #74
I think therefore I oppose mass surveillance on citizens. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #73
So do I. DevonRex Jun 2013 #75
I don't know what "frenzied reporting" means or is. And how do you know what is "hyperbole"? Maybe WinkyDink Jun 2013 #76
+1 graham4anything Jun 2013 #77
The herd is stampeding! The herd is stampeding! moondust Jun 2013 #78
Kick. GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #79
some specifics would make this thread useful blackspade Jun 2013 #80
Kick applegrove Jun 2013 #81
There are DUzy awards, are there also LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #82
Oh, the irony. flvegan Jun 2013 #88
Hey, I was going to post that. progressoid Jun 2013 #96
Alas, too often people who are capable of independent thought choose not to exercise that power. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #89
Two things are in shorter supply than one would think. CBHagman Jun 2013 #91
Kick nt One of the 99 Jun 2013 #92
O.o Hydra Jun 2013 #93
LOL, coming from you who has 10 links per post trying to get everyone... Logical Jun 2013 #97
Even this is a controversial topic on the DU rucky Jun 2013 #99

siligut

(12,272 posts)
6. Kicking for free will and critical thinking, we need both
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jun 2013

Because unlike these robot cockroaches, we humans tend to adapt rather slowly.


The insects, intended as a neuroscience learning tool, are controlled via a mobile phone.

The Technology, Entertainment and Design conference specialises in showcasing new technologies.

The theme of this year's conference is "think again", and the line-up of speakers is diverse, including a monk and a self-styled gentleman thief.

Among the technology on offer this year will be RoboRoach, the brainchild of neuroscientist Greg Gage.

Cross post, thanks to East Coast Pirate, http://www.democraticunderground.com/122819550

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
17. Heh, normally I hate roaches and are allergic to them but...
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jun 2013

It would freak out some slob who never cleans their kitchen (I know one) ..I'd love to hide a bunch of those remote control roaches in their house and when he wakes up at night (and he does to get something to drink) have them scurry out and spell


Hey! YOU Clean this shit UP!!!...

LOL.. Needless to say I don't like going over there,and ..I always bring my own bottles of water and keep it short. The guy I'd do this to is a obnoxious ass(not actually abusive just a sometimes rude rethuglican twit)Sad thing is his wife is a kind person,and fun to hang with,but she's a mess but not as bad.So we hang out in other places.I'd have to tell her so she'll put what happens when he sees this on the internets.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. Sorry, I'm an Obamabot. My mind is controlled by the Dark Lord. Embrace the horde. Serve the state.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jun 2013


MUAHAHAHA.


Do I need a icon?


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
83. ...but "whitehouse.gov" ?
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jun 2013

....THAT is worth a whole barrel of unquestioned Blue Links,
and a number 9 tub of straight Up Cut & Paste?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
95. I'm into data to make informed choices. If it's good, or factual, that's one facet there.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:14 PM
Jun 2013

But I let whatever comes by into the house of my mind and let it play. Even the fanciful things, like conspiracy as there are reasons for people believing those things.

Going into what people say and do is a chance to visit their minds. I want to see the reality of the person I get information from, to try to see the world through their eyes and not mine. I go the journey with them, sometimes for a long way. I don't just want matches to my data, as I am always working to synthesize something new.

I take into consideration constraints of my era, and places I will not allow to take control, but still do not refuse to observe:

Bigotry, abuse, callousness, greed, and all the permutations of those things no matter how dark the path is because that's part of what drives us. And always want to know a reason behind it all. I've come to learn that some of the most wicked of people, who encompass the things I hate the most, don't see it at all.

People don't wake up, as they may imagine Hitler did, rubbing his hands with glee and saying, 'I'm going to do some great evil today.'

No, he thought he was saving the world. No more than a bomber who kills people thinks he is doing a terrible thing. No, he likewise thinks he has a higher calling and is willing to sacrifice others to get there.

We need to know what is valuable to them. If you or those you care about are the ones someone is willing to sacrifice for their cause, watch them very closely. They are not your ally, but you better pay attention.

Humans have reasons for what they do, so we have to figure it out and see what will become of it. If nothing else, to prepare to live with them, or get as far away as we can. Some things are just toxic waste.

If my visitor is foolish enough to feel it's their right take a leak on the rug in the living room of my mind and find fault with my not accepting it, they are politely escorted out.



ananda

(28,877 posts)
9. But but ..
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jun 2013

.. can't my independent critical thoughts be dependent on someone else's
if we happen to agree?

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
15. I can't think for myself.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jun 2013

My mind was repossessed by aliens ages ago.

Oh shit! Now I'm gonna get it! I just posted when you said not to. Oh, wait. That would be the possessive aliens posting, so it's okay. They are thinking for themselves through me.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
19. Addendum:
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jun 2013

Dogs flew spaceships!
The Aztecs invented the vacation!
Men and women are the same sex!
Our forefathers took drugs!
Your brain is not the boss!
Yes! That's right! Everything you know is wrong!


 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. The problem is, threads like this are like asking atheists to weigh in on a religious matter.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:11 AM
Jun 2013

Most won't bother. But I think the outrage over the Greenwald/Snowden Affair (GSA?) is overblown. And so far neither of these guys has earned my trust.

Especially when one has gone into hiding in Hong Kong.

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
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HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
22. I agree.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:16 AM
Jun 2013

Neither Greenwald nor Hong Kong Eddie Snowden have earned my trust either. There are too many questions unanswered.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
26. Yes. "Hong Kong Eddie"! Good one!
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jun 2013

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]

greatauntoftriplets

(175,750 posts)
72. LOL @ Hong Kong Eddie...
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jun 2013

who didn't bother to check out Hong Kong's extradition treaty with the U.S. before attempting to hide out there.

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
29. I weigh in on such matters
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jun 2013

Because I'm a mal-theist. I recognize there are unknowns but really it's just unknown. When a religious twit on the street asks if I know where I going when I die,my answer is...

#1 I'm Damned,Happily Damned and I'm ok with that.I'm glad to be Damned because most of the world will be too.Might even see you there too..bye.

#2 Not scared of death or "after", So I and you don't know,I don't care, We have no control over it,death is gonna happen to all and I'm ok with not controlling my own death ,knowing or caring about death and after .I'll find out like most people do about the afterlife,after I'm dead. I like surprises.

Both of these replies tend to twist 'em in a knot so they leave me alone.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. I think of it similarly.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jun 2013

If there is no Afterlife, there's nothing I can do about it.
If there is an Afterlife, there's nothing I can do about it.

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
69. mine was
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

how closely it resembles a request to "eat this bread if you don't wanna stink by yourself" https://www.google.com/search?q=moldy+bread+pictures&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7RNQN_enUS484&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=z424UeK7JI2tygG21IBY&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1680&bih=808

of course such a thought (or more accurately, the expression of it) might be deemed insensitive, insulting, rude, divisive,etc, etc, etc, unlike the thinly veiled content of like kind readily seen in the top post.

This crew sure are bold with the accusations of a lack of thinking prowess, a lack of access to and/or an understanding of all the available facts in their totality, etc, in the wake of chained cpi being put on the table after months and months of denials on their part that had such factors as the cause, as well as their seemingly blind allegiance to a person above and before all else. What's striking are the similarities between tactics used. For example, now instead of being Mutt supporters, etc, as was charged prior to the election for broaching the CPI issue, we're Paulites, etc.

It would be amusing if they weren't so predictable.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
23. I also like
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:17 AM
Jun 2013

In addition to facts, I also like truth, reason, logic, intelligence, democracy and the U.S. Constitution.

Oh, I'm also keen on CHECKS AND BALANCES.

-90%Jimmy

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
58. Uhm. Now you're making me unsure.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jun 2013

I did think so when I posted this. If it isn't true I'm sorry (although being addressed as a female shouldn't be taken as an insult in 2013)... I'm not sure if I'm confusing pro with TX4Obama... My brain hurts now... Anyone who knows better please correct me.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
62. My way of judging gender is pretty flawed:
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jun 2013

If the poster gets pissed at me and kicks me in the nads, I assume it's a dude.

If the poster gets pissed at me and leaves scratch marks all over my eyelids, I'm assuming female.

I really have no idea.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
68. Neither have I.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

There's maybe 6 DUers where I gleaned that they're female... I'm also one of the few posters who knows that nadin is a man ... Well, whatever. I also find myself operating under the standard assumption that anyone I encounter here is male. That's why I try to remember when someone is clearly identified as a female...

Thanks for the laugh...

Renew Deal

(81,875 posts)
28. Wouldn't kicking this thread mean that you cannot think for yourself?
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:23 AM
Jun 2013

Or does kicking it mean the same thing as not kicking it? Both are a choice. It's all very confusing.

nineteen50

(1,187 posts)
32. The fact that
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jun 2013

the world was flat became a joke because of creative thinking and time. Be careful your facts don't face the same fate. It takes courage to be naive, but oh the insight openness can bring.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
33. "Education is teaching things that are true;
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jun 2013

propaganda is teaching
things that are false. As a first comment
on this proposition, one is
tempted to repeat Pilate's question.
Yet the unpleasant connotation of the
term" propaganda" is due in considerable
measure to the notion that it is
synonymous with deception. Much
evidence to support this contention
can be advanced. Advertising propagandists
resist the establishment of
publicly administered tests and standards
by which their unsupported
claims can be measured. Medical
frauds flood print and air with meretricious
claims. Political and economic
quackery speed on winged feet over
every avenue of communication.

On the other hand, much that is
characterized as propaganda comprises
undeniable facts.
Mr. Brisbane
points out the relative smallness of
our airplane defenses. Is this propaganda?
The conclusion that we should
immensely enhance our expenditures
on military and naval aircraft may be
argumentative, but it is not essen-
tially deception. The Junior Chamber
of Commerce urges that the use
of school buildings be denied to Communist
groups. Whether or not the
practice thus urged is sound public
policy is a matter of opinion, not fact.
Mr. Hearst (as Mr. Coolidge did in his
Delineator articles, when Vice-President)
declares that our colleges are
permeated with "reds." This may or
may not be a fact, according to the
definition given to the term "red."
What the facts mean, and what should
be done about them, if anything, are
matters of opinion.


It should be pointed out, moreover,
that not everything taught in the
schools can be definitely labeled as
fact.
Perhaps the data of mathematics
are facts; yet the examples given
for solution in any given textbook of
arithmetic or algebra may-can, in
truth-scarcely escape embodying a
point of view concerning economic institutions.
A school reader containing
stories of the lives of great men
may inculcate Carlylean individualism;
a community civics may, on the
other hand, stress ideals of cooperation
and the importance of the group. A
high school economics text (if it be
several years old) may indicate that
the Federal Reserve Act made depressions
impossible or unlikely. Through
all the writing and teaching of the
social subjects runs inevitably a current
of interpretation.
The spoils system
may be described as an evil that
should be abolished; it may be stated
that the Supreme Court interprets,
but never makes law; the Spanish-American
War may be referred to
as a humanitarian undertaking designed
to save Cubans from oppression.
These are not facts, but opinions
about facts."


Wooddy, C. H. (1935). Education and propaganda. Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Sciences, 179, p. 228, 229.

You may like facts, but you like opinions about facts even more.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
41. Despite teh hyperbole and hysteria
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:08 AM
Jun 2013

the arguments we've been having have been illuminating. there's a lot of wisdom around here, and apart from the odd troll or congenital shit disturber, we're all on the same side. Crowds bring out the worst in people. don't take it to heart.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
42. Not sure. The Fox News Channel has never told me if I can think for myself or not.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jun 2013

When they inform me, I will let you know.




CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
49. Kick. And it gets really silly
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jun 2013

When people assume you don't think ANYTHING is going on just because they haven't seen you post on one of those "check in if you _____" threads. And you make them scared because they assume that about you.

Crazytown.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
51. You're not going to tell ME to think for myself!! I'm going to...um, never mind.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jun 2013

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[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
61. Spread the joy.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jun 2013

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
63. Here you go.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jun 2013


[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]
 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
70. Is this another of your Obama apology threads?
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jun 2013

spin spin spin spin ....... don't you ever get dizzy?

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
75. So do I.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jun 2013

It is completely illogical on the face of it to think the government can do what people have been imagining.

The fact that the data is taken from corporate control, encrypted and classified, never looked at unless a computer program detects a pattern and a warrant granted, seems to have escaped notice.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
76. I don't know what "frenzied reporting" means or is. And how do you know what is "hyperbole"? Maybe
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jun 2013

your facts will prove to be what you initially scorned as hyperbole.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
80. some specifics would make this thread useful
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jun 2013

Facts are indeed good, which begs the point, what facts would you like to see?

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
91. Two things are in shorter supply than one would think.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jun 2013

One is imagination, and the other is humility.

One of my great frustrations about the media in the U.S. is the pressure to boil everything down to a trend, a sound bite, those 140 characters. It encourages conformity more than analysis.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
97. LOL, coming from you who has 10 links per post trying to get everyone...
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

To think like you!

If we can think for ourself then quit linking to posts to change our mind!

You are really a piece of work!

rucky

(35,211 posts)
99. Even this is a controversial topic on the DU
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 05:20 AM
Jun 2013

I think I'll hold off on posting: "Kick this thread if you think puppies are cute"

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