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LAGC

(5,330 posts)
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:02 AM Feb 2012

I Shook Glenn Greenwald's Hand Tonight

The ACLU of Idaho threw its annual Bill of Rights Celebration dinner and auction tonight in downtown Boise. Glenn was the featured speaker. As an ACLU volunteer, I got to attend the event for free, but I bought a copy of his latest book (which he signed) proceeds of which he's donating to the ACLU of Idaho Foundation. The event was only advertised about a month in advance, but we sold about 130 tickets at $75/pop before tonight, and the remaining 20 seats sold out quickly at the door. We also raised approximately another $10K in silent auction items, plus several thousand more in donation pledges.

As for the speech, what can I say? He was great. He said right from the get-go that he wasn't going to re-hash all the ways the Obama Administration has followed in the foot-steps of the Bush Administration, because after 3 years it was so glaringly obvious, it wasn't even necessary to explain it anymore. Especially not to this crowd. Instead, he focused on the "war on terror" in general, and what it means for dissent in this country, and abroad. He pointed out that the dictionary definition of terrorism ("the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes&quot was used by our government against even those who simply disagreed with our foreign policies, yet REAL acts of terrorism (drone strikes against women, children, and U.S. citizens) for political purposes committed by this government are given a free pass. While its easy for Americans to excuse such terrorism committed by our own government, since after all its "One of THEM, not one of US" -- he pointed out that even though many of us may trust the current administration to not wantonly abuse such authority, what about future administrations down the road? What would a Michele Bachmann or a Sarah Palin administration do with such broad powers? To reach out and detain, even kill U.S. citizens, without so much as a trial or proving to the world the case against them, only because the government says they need to go?

He touched on Wikileaks, pointed out how when he put the call out for people to give Wikileaks financial support, so that they could have more resources to hire more people to vet all the leaked info they were receiving, he got dozens and dozens of concerned responses, all saying: "I really want to help, but I'm AFRAID of being put on a list! What if Wikileaks is eventually labeled a 'terrorist organization' by the U.S. government and everyone who gave money rounded up and charged with providing material support?" Indeed, many of us have been scared and intimidated into inaction, because of how broad these new government powers really are.

It was a powerful speech.

During the book signing afterward, I told him: "DemocraticUnderground.com says hi," then after telling him my name, added: "You have many fans and many haters," at which point he chuckled and said he's come across several links to this site and realizes how polarizing of a figure he is, but he appreciates the support. Later on, after almost everyone had left, I got him alone and asked him if he is still in regular contact with Julian Assange. He said he was. He added that he thought it was pretty likely that he would be extradited to Sweden to face those charges, but his spirit is holding up pretty well for the most part still. I thanked him for keeping everyone abreast of the situation with Assange, and reporting news that no one else seems to dare want to report. I ran into him again a third time as we both entered the elevators. He was going up (to his room, presumably -- the event took place in a hotel) and I was going down to my car. He said a final "Good night" and I responded "Yeah, take care."

Say what you will about him, but he's a really polite and likable guy. I can see why he gives Establishment Democrats such headaches, but he's really only doing what President Obama told us to do in the first place when we elected him: "If I ever stray, hold my feet to the fire." While I suspect most everyone in that room will probably end up voting for Obama in the end anyway, it won't be without much disappointment and regret. Disappointment that the Obama Administration is still prosecuting so many policies of the Bush Administration, and regret that our protests have fallen upon deaf ears. We really need more people like Glenn to open up more people's eyes and see how dangerous following in the foot-steps of Bush/Cheney really is, so that hopefully, during President Obama's second term, he is more receptive to civil libertarian concerns. Hopefully, once getting re-elected is no longer a concern, he'll finally listen to his base and act to change some of the worst holdover policies of the Bush Era. Because as Glenn pointed out: "The longer these pernicious policies stay in place, the harder its going to be to get rid of them later."

Glenn Greenwald is a true patriot and a scholar. I hope one day the Democratic Party finally listens to him and takes a firm stand in defense of the Bill of Rights, not because its necessarily popular, but because its necessarily right.

What an awesome night.

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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
1. Glenn's Tweet about Boise tonight:
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:21 AM
Feb 2012

Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald

In Boise today- where the State Senate just killed a bill to add LGBT to non-discrimination law - still lots of work to do in many places

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. Shameful. It's hard to believe sometimes, the depth of stupidity of those
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:51 AM
Feb 2012

who manage to get themselves elected to public office.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. Thank you, Glenn Greenwald is one of the best. We need more
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:24 AM
Feb 2012

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like him. Appreciate the report, I have seen him speaking on TV several times and the clarity with which he addresses these important is impressive.

Sad to say, some on the left have suddenly lost interest in the precious rights that have been under attack since the Bush administration began using 9/11 as an excuse to take them away. Greenwald will be long remembered as someone who fought the good fight, despite the forces lined up against him. And history will prove him right.

You are lucky to have had the chance to hear him.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
6. That does sound like a great night!
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:29 AM
Feb 2012

Book TV is airing the segment on his book this weekend. The next showing is Sunday evening.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
8. It's a CSPAN program every weekend.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:48 AM
Feb 2012

After they air the segment on a book, they put it up on their site for streaming sometime in the following days. Here's the site:


http://www.booktv.org/

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
9. Greenwald is an Ann Coulter styled publicity goon
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:56 AM
Feb 2012

He thinks he needs gimmicks to keep people reading him. Example:

the Obama Administration has followed in the foot-steps of the Bush Administration, because after 3 years it was so glaringly obvious, it wasn't even necessary to explain it anymore.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. That's just so vapid. In many areas, this administration has followed the former one.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 10:12 AM
Feb 2012

The current and prior Presidents, for example are united in their Christian faith based opposition to equality for gay people, and they share ties to specific anti gay and 'ex-gay' hate mongers, such as Donnie McClurkin, who entertains either man when they request, and who first stood for W then later was surrogate to Obama.
That's just one. There are many.
Do you deny that W and O are 'Christians' who preach 'Sanctity of Marriage' and less rights for minorities their mutual faith teaches them to discriminate against?
Just get real, hurling names and poo at people does not make the President's flaws go away.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
14. DURec for an American Patriot.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:39 PM
Feb 2012


Thanks for your personal report.
It sounds like an inspiring evening,
and I find so little inspiration today beyond Greenwald, Moyers, and a few others.
Wish I had been there.

While its easy for Americans to excuse such terrorism committed by our own government, since after all its "One of THEM, not one of US" -- he pointed out that even though many of us may trust the current administration to not wantonly abuse such authority, what about future administrations down the road?



He touched on Wikileaks, pointed out how when he put the call out for people to give Wikileaks financial support, so that they could have more resources to hire more people to vet all the leaked info they were receiving, he got dozens and dozens of concerned responses, all saying: "I really want to help, but I'm AFRAID of being put on a list! What if Wikileaks is eventually labeled a 'terrorist organization' by the U.S. government and everyone who gave money rounded up and charged with providing material support?" Indeed, many of us have been scared and intimidated into inaction, because of how broad these new government powers really are.


The direction this country is heading is frightening.
I've had a cold feeling in my gut since the first time I saw a "First Amendment Zone",
which was surrounded by police in full riot gear facing inward.

Thanks again!



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
15. K&R Sounds like a great night.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:05 PM
Feb 2012

Good to hear from DU'ers who believe in the principles of the true Democratic party.

It's an old saw, but too many here (and in the administration) think Greenwald is giving them hell when all he is doing is telling the truth.

I'm surprised the thread has only had a few knee-jerk attacks so far. We'll see about later.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
17. Well,
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:16 PM
Feb 2012
During the book signing afterward, I told him: "DemocraticUnderground.com says hi," then after telling him my name, added: "You have many fans and many haters," at which point he chuckled and said he's come across several links to this site and realizes how polarizing of a figure he is, but he appreciates the support.

...you represented us well. I'm sure he has come across more than "links" since he wrote an article specifically calling out a DUer.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
18. I'm reading a fascinating book, "The Watchers" by Shane Harris about
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 08:07 PM
Feb 2012

"The rise of America's Surveillance State".

I saw the author on w/Rachel a while back, got the book, and just got around to reading it. I can't put it down.

In the photo section the last pic is of Obama and GWB. Caption: "As a senator, Barack Obama initially was opposed to expanding surveillance law and granting legal immunity to companies that helped the government spy without warrants. But as his nomination for president appeard certain, Obama changed his mind, saying he'd been told the NSA's surveillance program was actually useful. He voted for a new law that granted many of the same broad powers that Bush had authorized in secret."

What I found interesting is that all during the development and stages of the programs to eavesdrop on Al Q, et al, the government agencies and military drew the line at anything that might compromise personal rights. Even though some had tried to insert protection for innocent names that would invariably appear in the chatter, there was steadfast opposition.

Enter John Yoo, a hack yes man who, as we know, twisted and interpreted the law to give Bush, the ultimate authority, carte blanche.

I can't recommend this book highly enough. It's very object and presents just the facts, ma'am. Where I'd relish some dissing of many of the players, the author doesn't engage in that at all. Informative and educational at the extent of our surveillance system, the attitudes and problems in the alphabet agencies, and the enormity of the task.

Anyway, I was just reminded of the book and that mention of Obama reading Greenwald's statement.

http://www.amazon.com/Watchers-Rise-Americas-Surveillance-State/dp/B005DI8WZY/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329091496&sr=1-1

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