In 1990, you were put on trial for what you call “sex, drugs, dynamite and violence.” Charges were eventually dropped. Since then, you’ve been outspoken on Fourth Amendment issues: search and seizure, the right to privacy. I assume you’ve taken a side in the civil liberties debate that’s come up in the aftermath of 9/11?
It’s a disaster of unthinkable proportions — part of the downward spiral of dumbness. Civil liberties are black and white issues. I don’t think people think far enough to see the ramifications. The PATRIOT Act was a dagger in the heart, really, of even the concept of a democratic government that is free, equal and just. There are a lot more concentration camps right now than Guantanamo Bay. But they’re not marked. Now, every jail, every bush-league cop can run a concentration camp. It amounts to a military and police takeover, I think.
Well, as some have pointed out, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Is some suspension of civil liberties ever appropriate or justified in a time of war?
If there’s a visible, obvious threat like Hitler, but in my mind the administration is using these bogeymen for their own purposes. This military law is nothing like the Constitution. They’re exploiting the formula here: The people are afraid of something and you offer a solution, however drastic, and they go along with it. For a while, yeah. My suspicions are more justified every day with this manufacturing of dangerous killer villains. The rest of the world does not perceive, I don’t think, that some tin-horn dictator in the Middle East is more of a danger to the world than the U.S. is. This country depends on war as a primary industry. The White House has pumped up the danger factor because it’s to their advantage. It’s to John Ashcroft’s advantage. There have always been pros and cons about the righteousness of life in America but this just seems planned, it seems consistent, and it seems traditional.
What do they get out of it?
They get control of the U.S. economy, their friends get rich. These are not philosopher-kings we’re talking about. These are politicians. It’s a very sleazy way of using the system. One of the problems today is that what’s going on today is not as complex as it seems. The Pentagon just asked for another $14 billion more in the budget, and it’s already $28 billion. [Defense spending in the 2003 budget rose $19.4 billion, to $364.6 billion]. That’s one sector of the economy that’s not down the tubes. So, some people are getting rich off of this. It’s the oligarchy. I believe the Republicans have never thought that democracy was anything but a tribal myth. The GOP is the party of capital. It’s pretty basic. And it may have something to do with the deterioration of educational system in this country. I don’t think Bush has the slightest intention or concern about educating the public.
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