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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:59 PM Jun 2013

POLL: How long will it be before Jerrold Nadler comes out and says he misunderstood... (UPDATED)

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Update Rep. Nadler in a statement to BuzzFeed says: “I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/video-congressman-claims-he-was-told-government-could-listen




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UPDATE: Nadler walked back his comments in a statement to BuzzFeed on Sunday. “I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/15/nsa-phone-calls-warrant_n_3448299.html



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POLL: How long will it be before Jerrold Nadler comes out and says he misunderstood... (UPDATED) (Original Post) Tx4obama Jun 2013 OP
How long will it take to put the NSA story back in the toothpaste tube? Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #1
Never RobertEarl Jun 2013 #2
There IS a basis for the OP's question. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #4
Just a deluded agenda.. or as you say: wishful speculation RobertEarl Jun 2013 #6
The original claim is falling apart already, but stick with the conspiracy theory CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #8
Eh? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #14
What evidence do you have that they're listening to YOU? CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #22
I knew you wouldn't answer RobertEarl Jun 2013 #25
You're funny. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #30
Or no one will get to him. He can just realize that he made a mistake and fess up to it. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #10
was there a recording of him actually saying that Whisp Jun 2013 #19
I don't know. All I know is that 'he' is the only one saying it and only in that CNET article. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #21
thanks. nt Whisp Jun 2013 #27
Who is that and what did he say? Is that the Subway sandwich guy? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #3
The Dem rep from NY, link below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #7
But the man's name is not Jarrod. It is Jerrold. Perhaps you misunderstood? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12
The OP subject line said: 'Jerrod' with an 'e' not Jarrod. I left out the 'L'. I've fixed it. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #15
Yes, that would have been too civil. You've created a rather irksome OP tonight. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #23
It was too easy for you to libel the wrong name and for others to do the same. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #24
I do not know the Subway guy or his name. I did not know I left the 'L' out of his name in the OP Tx4obama Jun 2013 #26
If he does, think it'll look exactly like a hostage video? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #5
Watch for the blinks. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #33
How long til the BOG creatures try to find a spot under the bus for him next to Snowden MNBrewer Jun 2013 #9
I'm pretty sure this OP indicates that it has already happened. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #16
I am not a member of The BOG. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #18
No, of course not. My mistake. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #20
More likely Muelller will say he misspoke... kentuck Jun 2013 #11
And if it's confirmed what Nadler said, will you admit you were wrong? neverforget Jun 2013 #13
Yes. If there is evidence that he was told that - I will. But so far he is the only source. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #17
This story was shot down fast Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #28
that constitutes being "shot down"? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #29
Nadler isn't really the source. Something he said at a hearing is the source. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #31
If Nadler does walk back his statement, he will be promptly thrown under the bus by DU Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #32
I don't think he will backtrack. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #34
UPDATE has been addd to the OP. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #35
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. Never
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jun 2013

Can you believe the OP? What a pile of cockamamie bs.

Sign of a severe deluded agenda there.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
4. There IS a basis for the OP's question.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jun 2013

It's not just wishful speculation. Read around.

HuffPo was screaming the "NSA Admits Listening to Phone Calls" lede on its front page, as they are wont to do. They disappeared it right quick.

Actually, they buried it down the page and made a little change to the headline:

CNET Story Alleging NSA Can Listen To U.S. Phone Calls Without Warrant Faces Skepticism:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/15/nsa-phone-calls-warrant_n_3448299.html

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Just a deluded agenda.. or as you say: wishful speculation
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jun 2013

But yeah, if they get to Nadler and scare him bad enough.....he may break.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. Eh?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:19 PM
Jun 2013

You think the NSA can't tap your phone?

Of course you know they can tap your phone.

So what makes you think they do not tap your phone?

What evidence have you that the NSA does not tap your phone.

These are pretty simple and easy questions.... can you answer simply?

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
22. What evidence do you have that they're listening to YOU?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jun 2013

And I mean, listening, not just scanning the metadata?

I guess it's a matter of how paranoid people are going to be about this and what - today, tomorrow, or next month - should Joe Average be DOING? Hiding in a bunker? Running around holding their head with worry?

Or snarking at and namecalling people on messageboards because that's oh-so-activist?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
25. I knew you wouldn't answer
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:37 PM
Jun 2013

That is the way you are.

They can tap your phone. They will tap your phone. That's their fucking job.

You are all over the board dancing here and there and not answering easy questions.

What is your agenda?

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
30. You're funny.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jun 2013

You push your assumption and challenge me to agree.

I challenged back. You didn't answer MY question either.

It's interesting that people accept the most sensational / damning claims about this issue as gospel and attack any follow-up that might debunk the original assertions - along with attacking and name calling the people who dare not march in lockstep with their anger or reverence for the Greenwald/Snowden tandem. Ironic.

There are many ANGRY people here, and the thing is, none of the other members of this forum are causing the problems that have them (and you?) freaked out.

Unlike some others, I guess I've learned to let the "news" cycles spin out longer than the first reports. We've just witnessed what happened with the non-scandals of the previous few weeks, but people are right on the bandwagon again.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
19. was there a recording of him actually saying that
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jun 2013

or is it another example of exceptional journalism at work?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
21. I don't know. All I know is that 'he' is the only one saying it and only in that CNET article.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
Jun 2013

And I haven't seen any mainstream websites pick up on it.

IF it was true and could be backed up you'd think that it would be all over all the news websites.




Edited to add the article link below...

CNET Story Alleging NSA Can Listen To U.S. Phone Calls Without Warrant Faces Skepticism:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/15/nsa-phone-calls-warrant_n_3448299.html


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Who is that and what did he say? Is that the Subway sandwich guy?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jun 2013

There is a Democratic Congressman from NY by the name of Jerrold Nadler. Any relation?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
7. The Dem rep from NY, link below
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:12 PM
Jun 2013

A link below to the CNET article that everyone is talking about and many have jumped to the conclusion it is true.
I believe it is false due to Nadler misunderstanding what he heard.
There is no other person or source saying that the NSA ever said such a thing.

Here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. But the man's name is not Jarrod. It is Jerrold. Perhaps you misunderstood?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jun 2013

And just fyi in terms of 'everyone's talking' I did a news search on his name and got nothing.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
15. The OP subject line said: 'Jerrod' with an 'e' not Jarrod. I left out the 'L'. I've fixed it.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jun 2013

I guess it would have just been too easy for someone to just tell me I had a typo



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. It was too easy for you to libel the wrong name and for others to do the same.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:35 PM
Jun 2013

I asked if you meant the Subway guy, and pointed out the the Democrat from NY is named Jerrold very clearly.
You got his name wrong, and you are saying HE got stuff wrong. It is ironic, and you should learn something from this. The emoticons just make it seem like insulting Democrats is fun for you. Which might be why TX has so few of them in office.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
26. I do not know the Subway guy or his name. I did not know I left the 'L' out of his name in the OP
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jun 2013

I cannot believe you are making such a big deal out of a very small typo.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
5. If he does, think it'll look exactly like a hostage video?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:10 PM
Jun 2013

He'll decide to make a retraction right after his phone rings at 2:30 am. The first thing he'll hear when he picks up will be "shhhh".

I'll bet in the hostage video his eyes will be red and his clothes will look unkempt.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
28. This story was shot down fast
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:39 PM
Jun 2013
A blockbuster article published by CNET Saturday night alleges that the National Security Agency has the power to listen to Americans' phone calls without a warrant.

That bold assertion lit up social media, but also drew skepticism, with many arguing that it seemed to be based on a misunderstanding.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/15/nsa-phone-calls-warrant_n_3448299.html

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
31. Nadler isn't really the source. Something he said at a hearing is the source.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:01 AM
Jun 2013

The CNET reporter didn't even get confirmation from Nadler to make sure they understood him correctly before publishing this.

I think collecting the phone records of every American is already bad enough (a check of my posts will show that, I think), but CNET did not have enough to go on yet.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
32. If Nadler does walk back his statement, he will be promptly thrown under the bus by DU
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:06 AM
Jun 2013

And run over.

Twice.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
34. I don't think he will backtrack.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:25 AM
Jun 2013

I always liked the congressman and wished I was in his district, but I am stuck with Michael Grimm-R

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