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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:47 AM Jun 2013

OMG, Eric Holder reassured the EU they have nothing to worry about and...

Assurances from Holder? No, no, no, that's not how you do it with these guys. Now you need to go back and ask them to define the word "targeted".

Prism NSA surveillance 'did not collect European data in bulk'

EU commissioner says she has assurances that only those suspected of links to terrorism or cybercrime were targeted

Ian Traynor in Brussels, Sam Jones and Gwyn Topham
guardian.co.uk, Friday 14 June 2013 18.18 BST


Viviane Reding, the European commissioner for justice, said US collection of metadata via Verizon was 'mainly an American question'. Photograph: Niall Carson/PA

...

At a meeting of US and EU justice and law enforcement officials in Dublin, Viviane Reding, the EU commissioner for justice, said she was satisfied that US collection of metadata via the Verizon mobile phone network was "mainly an American question".

The much bigger issues, raised by Edward Snowden's leaks to the Guardian, concerned the NSA hoovering up data from social media and internet servers across Europe in flagrant breach of EU data protection regulations.

Reding said the US and the EU had agreed to set up a working group of security experts to grapple with the implications for the European public.

"Considering Prism, the US answers to the questions I have raised were the following: it is about foreign intelligence threats. Prism is targeted at non-US citizens under investigation on suspicion of terrorism and cybercrimes. So it is not about bulk data mining, but specific individuals or targeted groups. It is on the basis of a court order, of an American court, and of congressional oversight," said Reding.

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Eric Holder, the US attorney general, said the Prism programme was aimed at "facilitating the acquisition of foreign intelligence information on targets outside the US". He said the programme was only used if it was "reasonably believed" that the "foreign target" was outside the US and was suspected of being involved in terrorism, cybercrime or nuclear proliferation. Use of the surveillance programme was subject to "extensive oversight".

"Everything is done consistent with the law," Holder said.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/14/prism-nsa-surveillance-european-data

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OMG, Eric Holder reassured the EU they have nothing to worry about and... (Original Post) Catherina Jun 2013 OP
'did not collect European data in bulk' ...well, you said bulk. We shop at Costco here, and our Safetykitten Jun 2013 #1
I'm flabbergasted they had the gall, as if it's not all coming out Catherina Jun 2013 #2
She should research Echelon and how well that went nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #3
Menwith Hill is right under her nose Catherina Jun 2013 #6
oh, now they are trying to broaden the scope a bit to not only 'target' terrorist but now also usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #4
*Cyber criminals*, or hackers really, are classified as terrorists Catherina Jun 2013 #5
I guess we are on that list too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #7
Are we posting on DU or NSA or both? Downwinder Jun 2013 #8
both usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #11
Here's the chart Catherina Jun 2013 #9
that's a keeper usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #10
Someone else posted it earlier but I can't remember who Catherina Jun 2013 #12
extensive oversight my ass... nebenaube Jun 2013 #13
That's what they originally told us too Fearless Jun 2013 #14
Well... ReRe Jun 2013 #15
While using the word "terrorism" might give you a blank check in the US,... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #16
 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
1. 'did not collect European data in bulk' ...well, you said bulk. We shop at Costco here, and our
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:52 AM
Jun 2013

definition of in bulk is different from yours.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
2. I'm flabbergasted they had the gall, as if it's not all coming out
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jun 2013

Either that or the EU doesn't want that whole can of worms opened. I don't know how to really process this, do you?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. *Cyber criminals*, or hackers really, are classified as terrorists
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jun 2013

Anonymous is on that list, near or at the top lol. Hah, I don't know why but this is just making me laugh!

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
7. I guess we are on that list too
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:06 AM
Jun 2013

anyone who opposes U.S. policy must be considered a 'terrorist' too.

and now that they can lock us up, indefinitely, without a trial, it seems to be clear that this is a war against us.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
15. Well...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:08 AM
Jun 2013

K&R

... Germany is crapping in it's drawers over this. They are in the EU, aren't they?

This photo depicts an expression of questioning to me.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
16. While using the word "terrorism" might give you a blank check in the US,...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:30 AM
Jun 2013

....the Europeans don't wet themselves at the mention of the word.

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