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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:40 AM Jun 2013

what's your breaking point to take action?

http://www.nationofchange.org/what-s-your-breaking-point-take-action-1371309251

When Edward Snowden reached his breaking point, the world saw the truth about the vast extent of spying by the NSA on Americans and people around the world. In an act of conscience, Snowden released secret information, saying “My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them.”

Snowden sparked protest, lawsuits, criticism of the administration and US intelligence. His action shows the power that comes when someone inside the system break ranks and tells the truth. Successful movements depend on people breaking ranks: questioning, demurring, disobeying, defecting and withdrawing support. As Ken Butigan writes in Waging Nonviolence, the impact can start a metamorphosis for all of us:

“the individual conscientious objector, the abstainer, and the resister — the one who, as Gandhi said, pits ‘one’s whole soul against the will of a tyrant.’ Not only do the Edward Snowdens of the world help the rest of us see more clearly the realities we are up against — in this case, the institutionalization of unfettered, massive data collection on and profiling of the population — they can shock us into realizing that part of our job description as human beings is our obligation to withdraw our passive or active consent from such policies.”

What is your breaking point? This is the question we must all ask ourselves, especially those who have not yet taken action. As whistleblower Sibel Edmonds wrote this week, the inaction and apathy of people is our greatest enemy: “Apathy is a must ingredient for any police state, authoritarian regime, dictatorship, for abuses of power, for corruption, national atrocities, genocide. . . .”
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pscot

(21,024 posts)
1. What's the breaking point of a generation
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:11 AM
Jun 2013

The millenials are inheriting a huge mess. The Boomers have wrecked the planet, gutted the economy and sold government to the highest bidder. They've militarized the country and put us on a permanent war footing. People like Snowden and Bradley Manning aren't buying it. I'd like to believe thay are habingers of a generational sea change

 

JW2020

(169 posts)
2. Boomers wrecked the planet?
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:23 AM
Jun 2013

Oh this is going to be interesting. I agree though, Boomers still live in that pie in the sky false American Dream world constructed by Madison Ave. I really think that a majority of this country's warmongering and deathcult foreign policy attitude is due to Boomer mentality. Think about it. Their fathers won the one "noble war", World War II then their sons go out and try to win one for good old dad in Vietnam and fail miserably. That failure has guided the public's attitude toward war for the last 40 years. Boomers not being able to live up to their fathers expectations. That whole generation still harps about Vietnam, they still try to turn it into some valiant fight, that they didn't lose, the country lost the war because we didn't get behind the valiant soldiers fighting the communist menace. That POW/MIA flag? Bullshit propaganda, there were no POW in Vietnam after the war. Hippies spitting on returning troops? Bullshit. How did hippies get onto air force bases to spit on returning troops.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20461_5-lies-about-vietnam-war-you-probably-believe.html

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
5. POW/MIA flag? Bullshit propaganda, there were no POW in Vietnam after the war.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:28 AM
Jun 2013

That was a sore point between H Ross Perot and the old Bush.

That myth is a militarist message system used to divide the electorate--and make sales for the aerospace companies.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
9. That's an interesting post. Fixation on the past is a big deal.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jun 2013

All the communist socialist narratives about the right (when the cold war has been over for decades) all the "damn hippy" type stuff which is this weird emulation of a father figure's behavior in a social conflict that really no longer exists. (Its now 40 years since the advent of punk rock, hippes are older still) And yes, the Pie in the sky American Dream which the numbers say has no relevance to the new low income reality. This all is there. So when you say that this past fixation could be driving policy, I believe it.

 

JW2020

(169 posts)
10. A lot of Vietnam era vets still hold a grudge
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jun 2013

I still hear many of them refer to the Vietnamese people in derogatory terms.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
11. when you have a bunch of people who shot at you and killed your buddies
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jun 2013

Then you are going to hold a grudge, on both sides. There are still people who wont buy japanese cars etc.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
3. Snowden is not an insider. He's a bush/Carlyle Group plant and a Ron Paul supporter
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:25 AM
Jun 2013

$250 donation: Paul for President
This NOC article is fu--d from the first sentence

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
17. I thought he was a spy for "communist China"!!!!11!!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:08 AM
Jun 2013

and a "narcissist personality disorder" guy, and a bad neighbor.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
12. define action, if its just posting online then most have an early breaking point
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:03 PM
Jun 2013

If its taking to the woods and fighting or mounting a suicide bombing then i would hope the point is a far reach.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
13. Action will come when we become uncomfortable enough.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:38 AM
Jun 2013

All of us, not the 'millenials', not the 'gen x'ers', not the 'boomers' or any of those other BS terms.

Want change, threaten peoples ability to survive, and they will fight for change. They'll fight to the death, because that's what will happen if they lose.

struggle4progress

(118,309 posts)
15. If you wait until you reach your breaking point to act, you're only gonna try stuff that won't work
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:48 AM
Jun 2013

Don't wait

ileus

(15,396 posts)
16. My BP is making sure the right people know/collect my personal data.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:59 AM
Jun 2013

I'll keep voting to assure only people from our side are in power, that will assure their side can't abuse my information.

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