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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:49 PM Jun 2013

Facebook tracks you even if you do not have an account.

Logged in, or logged out, or not a member...doesn't matter.
Those "like" buttons, seen on so many web pages, including DU, are trackers.

From Facebook FAQs...
If you’re logged out
or don’t have a Facebook account
and visit a website with the Like button or another social plugin,
your browser sends us a more limited set of information.
Like other sites on the Internet, we receive information:
about the web page you're visiting,
the date and time and other browser-related information.
http://www.facebook.com/help/293506123997323/

What to do about it:
Lifehacker article has some tips, here: ( at bottom of article there are links to some privacy apps for Chrome and FF)

http://lifehacker.com/5843969/facebook-is-tracking-your-every-move-on-the-web-heres-how-to-stop-it

for those who do not know what "persistant storage cookies" are:
Some Flash-cookie (LSO) properties in short...
- they are never expiring - staying on your computer for an unlimited time.
- by default they offer a storage of 100 KB (compare: Usual cookies 4 KB).
- browsers are not fully aware of LSO's, They often cannot be displayed or managed by browsers.
- via Flash they can access and store highly specific personal and technical information (system, user name, files,...).
- ability to send the stored information to the appropriate server, without user's permission.
- Flash applications do not need to be visible
- there is no easy way to tell which Flash-cookie sites are tracking you.
- shared folders allow cross-browser tracking, LSO's work in every flash-enabled application
- the Flash company doesn't provide a user-friendly way to manage LSO's, In fact it's incredible cumbersome.
- many domains and tracking companies make extensive use of Flash-cookies.
This kind of cookies is not harmless.

What to do about it:
One option ( I would love to hear about others)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/

Edited to add:
Ghostery for Firefox stops trackers very well.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ghostery/?src=cb-dl-mostpopular

I use both of the above, plus Ad-Block.
Pages load much faster, too.


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Facebook tracks you even if you do not have an account. (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 OP
I turned off the location tracker in my phone to at least try to control my data. dkf Jun 2013 #1
I am hoping that people are becoming more aware of how they are spied upon dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #2
It's certainly a huge revelation to me. dkf Jun 2013 #4
It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Most everyone already eagerly signed away graham4anything Jun 2013 #5
Wow that is awful that you just accept this and say move on. dkf Jun 2013 #6
Keeping Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor and Rand Paul and Jeb Bush far from the white house is better graham4anything Jun 2013 #8
So you think this surveillance operation is okay because we can have Democratic presidents forever? dkf Jun 2013 #9
Walking while chewing gum Fumesucker Jun 2013 #10
If zimmy from Florida were packing chewing gum instead of a bullet and gun... graham4anything Jun 2013 #13
Do you think the mother of Trayvon Martin would consider your post to be a worthy use of Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #33
I think the reinterpretation of the 2nd to show militia(of course) means national guard graham4anything Jun 2013 #41
"What right has anyone lost?"... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #31
The right to peaceably assemble. reusrename Jun 2013 #36
4th Amendment: the right to be secure in their papers.......... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #37
Well, there is that. But I am not sure that's what this is about. reusrename Jun 2013 #40
Smith vs. Maryland and then there is the one about a letter. graham4anything Jun 2013 #42
newsflash: desiring privacy makes you part of a evil republican plot! Monkie Jun 2013 #26
Here's a page of hints I bookmarked a day or two ago starroute Jun 2013 #3
Thanks! Lots to check out there arcane1 Jun 2013 #28
i think LittleSnitch from ObDev (controls all outgoing traffic) works, but now you have me curious.. Agony Jun 2013 #7
I have Linux so don't know about the compatibility issues. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #32
I use do not track me Go Vols Jun 2013 #11
Does that mean if we keep the Facebook link here on DU we are enabling the tracking? dkf Jun 2013 #12
Well, I am hoping turning it off is sufficient. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #15
ghostery leaves the icons there in case you wish to share once. Monkie Jun 2013 #27
Another good tool: DoNotTrackMe backscatter712 Jun 2013 #14
Ipad? dkf Jun 2013 #16
Not that I know of. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #18
I use the same addons to FF, there are sometimes issues but they are worth it Progressive dog Jun 2013 #17
hmmmm..you may have solved my freezing problem. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #20
Everyone needs to watch "The President's Analyst" just once... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #19
This the one? dkf Jun 2013 #21
That's the one MrScorpio Jun 2013 #22
I'll be on the lookout. dkf Jun 2013 #25
I just read the plot overview on Wiki....chilling. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #24
Thanks on the tip for Ghostery SecularMotion Jun 2013 #23
if you are interested in some background on how far this goes and the fight to stop it Monkie Jun 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author thefool_wa Jun 2013 #30
I just added Disconnect for Chrome. onestepforward Jun 2013 #34
Yep: Ghostery, AdBlock, AdBan TalkingDog Jun 2013 #35
I use Ghostery and AdBlock Triana Jun 2013 #38
One other tool to consider IDemo Jun 2013 #39
Facebook doesn't track me. hunter Jun 2013 #43
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
1. I turned off the location tracker in my phone to at least try to control my data.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jun 2013

Then it was such a pain to turn it on when I needed my map application. Moreover, turning off my location made so many of my phone's capabilities useless.

I hate looking at my phone realizing its an instrument of the government to violate my rights. Now all technology that tries to tie me into Facebook makes me resent the company and the government.

This surveillance is poisonous to our relationship with the government. We need to get rid of it or Democrats, who believe the government does good things, will be the losers.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. I am hoping that people are becoming more aware of how they are spied upon
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:58 PM
Jun 2013

AND how the internet is being used and controlled.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
4. It's certainly a huge revelation to me.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jun 2013

I realized they could do it should they choose to, but thought they would never want to.

What I didn't realize is that they don't need to pick me, they have my data because they have everyone's data, all of it.

If anyone wants me to sign up for that, screw them.

It's all well and good for Mozilla users to know this, but I use tablets now, and this ios platform seems so much more controlled. And I can't remove the battery! Now my suspicious mind asks if that is on purpose.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
5. It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Most everyone already eagerly signed away
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jun 2013

their all when they signed up either on Facebook or amazon or for that matter any Hotmail/gmail or any other email account.

And I don't use any cash, therefore, any phone I buy is known the second I give my c/c.

So all of this is just much ado about nothing except to fracture the democratic party just in time for two special senate elections
to swing the status to republican.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
8. Keeping Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor and Rand Paul and Jeb Bush far from the white house is better
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jun 2013

and I don't know about anyone else, but I always assumed in the last 50 years, that everyone is listening anyhow,
so this is nothing knew.

Of course, here NO ONE in government is actually spying or listening anyhow, but back in the day, people next to me in the park
at a political rally or at a book reading, gathering, whatever one always assumed someone was planted there.

And one kept going on.

Now its out in the open but it always was, and there is nothing revolutionary here.

IMHO.

What right has anyone lost? And is anyone not doing anything because of it? And why?

not to mention, anyone filling out any form whatsoever is known.

I think this all to stop a national gun registry, something that acutally should have been done decades ago.
That is what I think 100% of all the fear in this is. Hyperbole from the NRA and the 2nd amendment people mixing issues in and riling up people who think its about other things.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
9. So you think this surveillance operation is okay because we can have Democratic presidents forever?
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:20 PM
Jun 2013

You should be more frightened of the capabilities you are giving them when one inevitably wins.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
13. If zimmy from Florida were packing chewing gum instead of a bullet and gun...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jun 2013

if zim from florida was packing a pack of gum instead of a gun and bullet, Mr. Martin would be alive and well and living in Sanford.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. Do you think the mother of Trayvon Martin would consider your post to be a worthy use of
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:28 PM
Jun 2013

her son's death? To me, it is as if you pick up his murdered body and use it as a sort of rhetorical human shield to protect yourself from having to make a reasoned and respectful response to others.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
41. I think the reinterpretation of the 2nd to show militia(of course) means national guard
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jun 2013

would be something all would agree on, from Al Sharpton to me and 100% of everyone else, don't you?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
37. 4th Amendment: the right to be secure in their papers..........
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
40. Well, there is that. But I am not sure that's what this is about.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jun 2013

I think there are two concerns, for sure. One is the privacy issue, along with all the questions of whether or not the laws are constitutional or whether or not they are even being followed. This has always been the case with the 4th Amendment, ever since the country was founded.

The second concern is completely new, and it has to do with the use of metadata. Metadata is used to create the targets for a counterinsurgency operation. Sometimes (or according to research, in most cases) the most influential person in a social network, or insurgency, is not the most high profile, or the most vocal, individual in the group. With very large groups (OWS for example), this new technology identifies those individuals who's participation in the group is the most critical.

That, in a nutshell, is what the metadata is being collected and used for. It should be obvious how this can affect our first amendment freedoms. There are a couple of stories floating around today about how the MIC is targeting opponents of the keystone pipeline. This counterinsurgeny technology is being used against law-abiding citizens right here in America.

Because the algorithms being used are easily handled by computers, and because no errors are introduced by trying to decode or translate any communication content, the system can create a very precise mapping of our social networks. Only actual metadata associated with each communication is logged into the software, and from that the algorithms sort out the social connections.

For some basic info about how the science is implemented, google the keywords: thesis+insurgent+social+network

 

Monkie

(1,301 posts)
26. newsflash: desiring privacy makes you part of a evil republican plot!
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jun 2013

because people did not properly read the small print we just have to accept it all.

all hail our great leader!

just because you dont want to use cash does not mean others cant attempt to improve their privacy.

all hail our great leader who can do no wrong!

starroute

(12,977 posts)
3. Here's a page of hints I bookmarked a day or two ago
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013
http://fixtracking.com/

I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but it's got a lot of suggestions.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
7. i think LittleSnitch from ObDev (controls all outgoing traffic) works, but now you have me curious..
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jun 2013

LittleSnitch is OS X only but there must be a Win equivalent? right?

Ghostery?

Cheers,
Agony

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
32. I have Linux so don't know about the compatibility issues.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jun 2013

However, the web sites of the blockers do tell you which OS they work on.
Usuall yif it works on Linux it will work on Windows, but not always the other way round.
I am pretty fond of Ghostery.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
11. I use do not track me
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/donottrackplus/

along with no script,better privacy and adblock on FF.

If you want to see who makes it thru and is still tracking you,check out collusion : http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/collusion/

Edit: My computer has been running 4-5 days and only 4 sites I allow are tracking me looking at collusion.
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
12. Does that mean if we keep the Facebook link here on DU we are enabling the tracking?
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jun 2013

I turned mine off earlier btw.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
15. Well, I am hoping turning it off is sufficient.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jun 2013

What is really annoying is finding those little icons on damn every page I browse..
but Ghostery assures me it is blocking the trackers.

 

Monkie

(1,301 posts)
27. ghostery leaves the icons there in case you wish to share once.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jun 2013

at least thats what it says.
they are placeholder images that replace the actual tracker.

Progressive dog

(6,905 posts)
17. I use the same addons to FF, there are sometimes issues but they are worth it
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jun 2013

Some examples 1) better privacy causes computer to freeze for 15-30 seconds when loading some websites
2) Ghostery blocks pictures of merchandize on Home depot but not for first page.
Also, under FF options, you can tell sites not to track.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
20. hmmmm..you may have solved my freezing problem.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:42 PM
Jun 2013

I know Ghostery says that it can cause script errors when used with other blockers..

recently have had freezing problems, did not consider it was Better Privacy, which I have been using for a long time now.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
19. Everyone needs to watch "The President's Analyst" just once...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:42 PM
Jun 2013

Because THAT is what they're aiming for.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
21. This the one?
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:45 PM
Jun 2013

The President's Analyst (1967) More at IMDbPro »

At first, Dr. Sidney Schaefer feels honored and thrilled to be offered the job of the President's Analyst. But then the stress of the job and the paranoid spies that come with a sensitive government position get to him, and he runs away. Now spies from all over the world are after him, either to get him for their own side or to kill him and prevent someone else from getting him. Written by Ken Yousten <kyousten@bev.net>

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
24. I just read the plot overview on Wiki....chilling.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:50 PM
Jun 2013

the movie was made as a comedy, in 1967, but today, sounds up to date.....aaaiieeeeee!!!!!

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
23. Thanks on the tip for Ghostery
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jun 2013

I've been using AdBlock for years. I just installed Ghostery and several sites I visit often now load much faster. There are more than a dozen trackers blocked on each of the sites.

 

Monkie

(1,301 posts)
29. if you are interested in some background on how far this goes and the fight to stop it
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jun 2013

the name that used to be used to describe this behaviour was "shadow profiles", facebook collects or collected a lot of data about you, not just from tracking cookies. i dont know about US law but in the EU there is a attempt to have this dealt with, firstly through Irish law, as that is where the EU HQ of facebook is, and at the moment by challenging this collection with EU data-protection laws.

http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/en.html

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

onestepforward

(3,691 posts)
34. I just added Disconnect for Chrome.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jun 2013

Thanks, dixiegrrrrl!

I also have AdBlock, AVG Do not Track and AVG SafeSearch.

I'm not tech savvy, so if anyone knows if the above can be improved, please let me know.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
35. Yep: Ghostery, AdBlock, AdBan
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jun 2013

I realize there is revenue generated for people, but ummm... my privacy is more important than a revenue scheme.

hunter

(38,321 posts)
43. Facebook doesn't track me.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jun 2013

They are among the many sites I have blocked. If an advertisement irritates me then I add its source to my blacklist.

I don't have any persistent cookies either.

There are no Adobe products installed on my computer -- no Flash, no Reader, nothing.

The rare content I can't view? Well that's the advertisers' and site owners' loss, not mine.

At this instant there are cookies from two sources on my computer: from DU, and from YouTube because I let their videos show through on DU. Cookies all go away when I log off the computer.

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