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sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:11 PM Jun 2013

"The character called Barack Obama"

There are a lot of people who are trying to get in President Obama's head these days to interpret his motivation for deciding to supply the Syrian rebels with small arms and ammunitions. As is often the case, Maureen Dowd demonstrates the most noxious element of that genre. Of course she, like some others, thinks the "boy" Barry needed to be "schooled" by the man Clinton (yes, its just that obnoxious).

SNIP:

Lewis' article is also helpful in describing the President's decision-making process in a similar situation - whether or not to intervene in Libya. If you're interested in that, I'd suggest you go read page 6 of this rather lengthy article. To summarize, President Obama had a meeting with all "the principals" on his national security team. They presented him with a binary option of either a no-fly zone (which obviously wouldn't work) or doing nothing.

The idea was that the people in the meeting would debate the merits of each, but Obama surprised the room by rejecting the premise of the meeting. “He instantly went off the road map,” recalls one eyewitness. “He asked, ‘Would a no-fly zone do anything to stop the scenario we just heard?’” After it became clear that it would not, Obama said, “I want to hear from some of the other folks in the room.”

Obama then proceeded to call on every single person for his views, including the most junior people.


http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-character-called-barack-obama.html


Obama's Way

An excerpt of page six:

by Michael Lewis published in Vanity Fair back in October 2012 titled Obama's Way.

Before big meetings the president is given a kind of road map, a list of who will be at the meeting and what they might be called on to contribute. The point of this particular meeting was for the people who knew something about Libya to describe what they thought Qad­da­fi might do, and then for the Pentagon to give the president his military options. “The intelligence was very abstract,” says one witness. “Obama started asking questions about it. ‘What happens to the people in these cities when the cities fall? When you say Qaddafi takes a town, what happens?’” It didn’t take long to get the picture: if they did nothing they’d be looking at a horrific scenario, with tens and possibly hundreds of thousands of people slaughtered. (Qaddafi himself had given a speech on February 22, saying he planned to “cleanse Libya, house by house.”) The Pentagon then presented the president with two options: establish a no-fly zone or do nothing at all. The idea was that the people in the meeting would debate the merits of each, but Obama surprised the room by rejecting the premise of the meeting. “He instantly went off the road map,” recalls one eyewitness. “He asked, ‘Would a no-fly zone do anything to stop the scenario we just heard?’” After it became clear that it would not, Obama said, “I want to hear from some of the other folks in the room.”

Obama then proceeded to call on every single person for his views, including the most junior people. “What was a little unusual,” Obama admits, “is that I went to people who were not at the table. Because I am trying to get an argument that is not being made.” The argument he had wanted to hear was the case for a more nuanced intervention—and a detailing of the more subtle costs to American interests of allowing the mass slaughter of Libyan civilians. His desire to hear the case raises the obvious question: Why didn’t he just make it himself? “It’s the Heisenberg principle,” he says. “Me asking the question changes the answer. And it also protects my decision-­making.” But it’s more than that. His desire to hear out junior people is a warm personality trait as much as a cool tactic, of a piece with his desire to play golf with White House cooks rather than with C.E.O.’s and basketball with people who treat him as just another player on the court; to stay home and read a book rather than go to a Washington cocktail party; and to seek out, in any crowd, not the beautiful people but the old people. The man has his stat­us needs, but they are unusual. And he has a tendency, an unthinking first step, to subvert established stat­us structures. After all, he became president.

SNIP:


The people who operate the machinery have their own ideas of what the president should decide, and their advice is pitched accordingly. Gates and Mullen didn’t see how core American security interests were at stake; Biden and Daley thought that getting involved in Libya was, politically, nothing but downside. “The funny thing is the system worked,” says one person who witnessed the meeting. “Everyone was doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing. Gates was right to insist that we had no core national-security issue. Biden was right to say it was politically stupid. He’d be putting his presidency on the line.”

Public opinion at the fringes of the room, as it turned out, was different. Several people sitting there had been deeply affected by the genocide in Rwanda. (“The ghosts of 800,000 Tutsis were in that room,” as one puts it.) Several of these people had been with Obama since before he was president—people who, had it not been for him, would have been unlikely ever to have found themselves in such a meeting. They aren’t political people so much as Obama people. One was Samantha Power, who won a Pulitzer Prize for her book A Problem from Hell, about the moral and political costs the U.S. has paid for largely ignoring modern genocides. Another was Ben Rhodes, who had been a struggling novelist when he went to work as a speechwriter back in 2007 on the first Obama campaign. Whatever Obama decided, Rhodes would have to write the speech explaining the decision, and he said in the meeting that he preferred to explain why the United States had prevented a massacre over why it hadn’t. An N.S.C. staffer named Denis McDonough came out for intervention, as did Antony Blinken, who had been on Bill Clinton’s National Security Council during the Rwandan genocide, but now, awkwardly, worked for Joe Biden. “I have to disagree with my boss on this one,” said Blinken. As a group, the junior staff made the case for saving the Ben­gha­zis. But how?

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/10/michael-lewis-profile-barack-obama


The article from Vanity Fair is long, Very long. However well worth the read.


http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/10/michael-lewis-profile-barack-obama
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"The character called Barack Obama" (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2013 OP
But the carefully chosen people in the room did not ask the right questions kickysnana Jun 2013 #1
Facinating, she! Cha Jun 2013 #2
You read it Cha! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #3
And, some scratch their heads as Cha Jun 2013 #4
Cha~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #8
Mahalo sheshe~ Cha Jun 2013 #9
Thanks great information flamingdem Jun 2013 #5
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #6
DU Rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #7

kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
1. But the carefully chosen people in the room did not ask the right questions
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jun 2013

1. Why should we intervene military in Syria at all, of late it always makes things worse?
Rethink our energy policy, or diplomatic policy, or basic values. We cannot even protest here anymore but we are fighting a proxy war there, with Al-Quata?
2. What is in it for the American people?
3. What is in it for the Syrian people?

We simply cannot afford to do this people are dying here from lack of heath care, poor nutrition, gun violence and other things extreme poverty with no hope causes. Our infrastructure is crumbling we are experience extreme climate change which affects everyone everywhere in America.

For heaven's sake Mr President fix America first and then the world even if you have to be mean to the Republicans for a change.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
2. Facinating, she!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:30 AM
Jun 2013

Maureen Dowd's stupid rheotoric always slams herself the best. She's her own worst enemy

The thing about Pres Obama is.. he's working from his intellect and his heart. And, that's an alien concept to mediawhores.

He shook his head. He doesn’t watch cable news, which he thinks is genuinely toxic. One of his aides told me that once, thinking the president otherwise occupied, he’d made the mistake of switching the Air Force One television from ESPN, which Obama prefers, to a cable news show. The president walked into the room and watched a talking head explain knowingly to his audience why he, Obama, had taken some action. “Oh, so that’s why I did it,” said Obama, and walked out. Now he said, “One of the things you realize fairly quickly in this job is that there is a character people see out there called Barack Obama. That’s not you. Whether it is good or bad, it is not you. I learned that on the campaign.” Then he added, “You have to filter stuff, but you can’t filter it so much you live in this fantasyland.”

Other Excerpts I like.. thank you, She~

On the other hand, Obama had helped make his own luck. This time when we invaded an Arab country we Americans were genuinely treated as heroes—because the locals didn’t see our incursion as an act of imperialism

More on the media..

The tone of the news coverage shifted dramatically, too. One day it was “Why aren’t you doing anything?” The next it was “What have you gotten us into?” As one White House staffer puts it, “All the people who had been demanding intervention went nuts after we intervened and said it was outrageous. That’s because the controversy machine is bigger than the reality machine.”

Ya Think?

"Aboard Air Force One, I’d asked him what he would do if granted a day when no one knew who he was and he could do whatever he pleased. How would he spend it? He didn’t even have to think about it:

When I lived in Hawaii, I’d take a drive from Waikiki to where my grandmother lived—up along the coast heading east, and it takes you past Hanauma Bay. When my mother was pregnant with me she’d take a walk along the beach. . . . You park your car. If the waves are good you sit and watch and ponder it for a while. You grab your car keys in the towel. And you jump in the ocean. And you have to wait until there is a break in the waves. . . . And you put on a fin—and you only have one fin—and if you catch the right wave you cut left because left is west. . . . Then you cut down into the tube there. You might see the crest rolling and you might see the sun glittering. You might see a sea turtle in profile, sideways, like a hieroglyph in the water. . . . And you spend an hour out there. And if you’ve had a good day you’ve caught six or seven good waves and six or seven not so good waves. And you go back to your car. With a soda or a can of juice. And you sit. And you can watch the sun go down


Mahalo, She~ I love that about PBO.. he recognizes how necessary it is to engage in a calm state of mind. Whether you're by the Ocean or not. His way to a Perfect Day sounds absolutely awesome!

sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
3. You read it Cha!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:47 AM
Jun 2013

Thank you!

I do love the end~a sense of peace and understanding. It's his Hawaii. His peace.

I love that we have a level head that steers this country, through these hard times.

We are a better and safer nation because of that.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
4. And, some scratch their heads as
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:03 AM
Jun 2013

to why I and others(like yourself, she) respect and support this President? No matter how rough the media propaganda machine(and, I'm not just talking about the gopropaganda) is in that particular time frame

It's because of his "character", intellect, and reality based foundation. Is he perfect? Hell no. Is anyone perfect? No, not even Greenwald.

I did read it.. took awhile because I was making a late supper, too.. and I kept making mistakes. I did it, though!

Cha

(297,240 posts)
9. Mahalo sheshe~
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:33 PM
Jun 2013
Backatcha, to one who is fortunate to appreciate what we have and it's only going to get better.. because we are a part of this and we say so!

Rock and Roll, baby! We are the Rock Generation!
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