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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:27 PM Jun 2013

The Snowden Principle - a lie told by everyone is not the truth

The Snowden Principle
John Cusack

...

When The Snowden Principle is invoked and revelations of this magnitude are revealed; it is always met with predictable establishment blowback from the red and blue elites of state power. Those in charge are prone to hysteria and engage in character assassination, as are many in the establishment press that have been co-opted by government access . When The Snowden Principle is evoked the fix is always in and instead of looking at the wrongdoing exposed, they parrot the government position no matter what the facts

...

Within hours of the NSA's leaks, a massive coalition of groups came together to plan an international campaign to oppose and fix the NSA spying regime. You can join them here - I already did. The groups span across the political spectrum, from Dick Armey's FreedomWorks to the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and longtime civil rights groups like ACLU, Electronic Frontier Foundation and Free Press.

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But as law professor Jonathan Turley reminds us, a lie told by everyone is not the truth. "The Republican and Democratic parties have achieved a bipartisan purpose in uniting against the public's need to know about massive surveillance programs and the need to redefine privacy in a more surveillance friendly image," he wrote recently.

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As more people find out about these abuses, the outrage mounts and the debate expands. Many in the mainstream media have shown that the public can't count on them to stand up to internal pressure when The Snowden Principle is evoked to serve the national interest, and protect our core fundamental rights.

The questions The Snowden Principle raises when evoked will not go away....How long do they expect rational people to accept using the word "terror" to justify and excuse ever expanding executive and state power ? Why are so many in our government and press and intellectual class so afraid of an informed public? Why are they so afraid of a Free Press and the people's right to know?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-cusack/snowden-principle_b_3441237.html

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The Snowden Principle - a lie told by everyone is not the truth (Original Post) Catherina Jun 2013 OP
DU's character assassins declare John Cusack to be a heretic in 3...2...1... n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #1
Under the bus isn't so bad. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #3
Well I've got Al's elbow in my back and it's hurting. We need a bigger bus Catherina Jun 2013 #5
I've been under the bus for years here. One gets used to it. madfloridian Jun 2013 #18
+1000 blackspade Jun 2013 #19
Mad!! How great to see you now! Catherina Jun 2013 #21
Amen sister, amen. Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #26
Yeah but the view never seems to change.... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #35
Yep. They've already gone after Grayson, Gore, Nadler. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #4
Wonder how much it pays to be a lemming leader? wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #10
Are they paid by # of posts? per word? overtime for weekend shifts? Divernan Jun 2013 #34
well put. bbgrunt Jun 2013 #11
Not lemmings Fumesucker Jun 2013 #16
i'm curious, where Franken thrown under the same bus or a different one by the Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #42
I'm keeping a list bobduca Jun 2013 #43
Me too. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #44
Enough of the divisive nonsense. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #45
K&R dkf Jun 2013 #2
What are they afraid of? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #6
Follow the money. It is always about the money. And this is SPECIAL money. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #13
Exactly! HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #17
Earlier today I was thinking of all the trillions we gave the banks to bail them out. Catherina Jun 2013 #22
Not being able to loot the Treasury. nt valerief Jun 2013 #39
Glad to see the formation of this coalition marions ghost Jun 2013 #7
Snowden is a "narcissist", Assange is an "egotist"...the babble goes Swagman Jun 2013 #8
a chilling possibility. all the tools are in place. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #9
We should be free to communicate without fear upi402 Jun 2013 #12
"The Snowden Principle" ReRe Jun 2013 #14
I wish we had a way to rec posts. - “A Republic, if you can keep it.” Catherina Jun 2013 #15
k&r Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #20
"Better Off Dead" ? Catherina Jun 2013 #23
It's a goofball 80's film, kind of cult classic territory. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #31
Great flick... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #37
War, Inc. Babel_17 Jun 2013 #28
Thanks Babel_17. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #32
You're welcome Babel_17 Jun 2013 #33
K&R! Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #24
kick burnodo Jun 2013 #25
John Cusack once again shows the power of his pen* (K&R) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #27
du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #29
I remember when he did War, Inc. A great satire on the privatisation of war and "reconstruction" Dragonfli Jun 2013 #30
k&r! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #36
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #38
Now I love Mr. Cusack even more. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #40
Threats to the Lie Agreed Upon are often met with viciousness & hatred. DirkGently Jun 2013 #41

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. Well I've got Al's elbow in my back and it's hurting. We need a bigger bus
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:08 AM
Jun 2013

Other than that slight discomfort, the conversation is scintillating, passionate, and respectful. I'm enjoying it down here.

Nice to be with so many DU friends there.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
21. Mad!! How great to see you now!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:35 AM
Jun 2013


I was thinking of you so strongly tonight because I was going through some old bookmarks and found some where, lol, we got thrown under the bus in June 2008 for speaking out against the pre-Presidential FISA vote. Some of them were so sad to read right now. You were ON IT! This is one of the ones I had up Hoyer: FISA bill passed to keep the Blue Dogs from demanding a stronger bill. Absurdity

You were very prescient. We need you so I'm happy you're here!

Please check your PMs in a few minutes.
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
35. Yeah but the view never seems to change....
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jun 2013

....seems I should have taken the Blue Pill instead....

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. Yep. They've already gone after Grayson, Gore, Nadler.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:37 PM
Jun 2013

Its like a mob of lemmings rushing to embrace fascism.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
34. Are they paid by # of posts? per word? overtime for weekend shifts?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jun 2013

Special bonuses for cramming more than 3 of their scripted talking points into a single post? And an extra BIG, try-to-cut-'em-off-at-the-knees bonus for being the first one to respond to any latest breaking news post documenting negative actions, motivations or behaviors by their hero or hero's agents/minions/appointees.

My dog, how the money rolls in! Do they have a Hall of Infamy for those lemmings who post more than a certain number of times per thread? Award the Medal of Dishonor to anyone posting more than 200 times per 24 hour period? Is there a super-secret annual awards dinner? A faux gold sheep? "The 2013 Sheeple Award for the greatest number of anti Snowden/pro NSA posts goes to _ _ _ _ _!

Einstein had it right:"Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth."

Bodhi BloodWave

(2,346 posts)
42. i'm curious, where Franken thrown under the same bus or a different one by the
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jun 2013

pro-snowden people, and if if a different one how do one decide which one a person belongs under?

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
43. I'm keeping a list
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:35 PM
Jun 2013

and anyone pimping this bullshit NSA talking points gets added...

you shall know them by their attempts to smear.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. What are they afraid of?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jun 2013

Losing profits.

Capitalism failed in 2008. It was bailed out by the communist Obama (who isn't a communist or even a socialist, he's more like an insurance salesman, which is actually a capitalist/socialist) and all the taxpayers. And they have hidden that truth all this time.

Terror is a profit engine. It's just about run its course. So... what's next?

Global Warming. But who can they blame? Who can they point at and say they caused this...

Anyway, it - Global Climate Catastrophe is going to mean huge profits for the first ones to get government contracts.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
13. Follow the money. It is always about the money. And this is SPECIAL money.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:13 AM
Jun 2013

Because it is all off budget, subject to practically no scrutiny. This is the best money there is anywhere on the planet. People will do anything to keep this money pot producing.

So, you can't really follow the money. That what makes it so great.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. Exactly!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:17 AM
Jun 2013

What a racket. Billions of tax dollars, with no oversight, being spent. Useless for catching terrorists...but very effective for domestic surveillence. Congress kept in the dark and lied to...a foreign surveillence court rubber-stamping every request... this has all the earmarks of a totalitarian state. All it's lacking is an out-of-control jack-booted police force...oops.

I think it was Binney's interview...he said the data collection points are badly suited for collecting foreign communications...but ideally located for intercepting and collecting domestic communications.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
22. Earlier today I was thinking of all the trillions we gave the banks to bail them out.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:01 AM
Jun 2013

Trillions! What for? And not a single one of those economic terrorists has paid despite our trillion-dollar NSA to protect us from evil-doers. The terror profit train seems to be working two ways but we can't get a seat on either train. One's for the bankers, the others for the elite. Where are we? Back in the caboose shovelling coal? "You know the drill, back to the caboose To shovel coal until you decide which path to choose"


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marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
7. Glad to see the formation of this coalition
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:16 AM
Jun 2013

against the excessive data mining. We are overdue to address this.

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
8. Snowden is a "narcissist", Assange is an "egotist"...the babble goes
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jun 2013

on and on and the truth and reality is lost.
Our lives are to be recorded in minute detail for possible future use and one day we may be deemed to be the enemy for unimaginable reasons.


upi402

(16,854 posts)
12. We should be free to communicate without fear
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jun 2013

We are being gamed and propagandized.

I just don't trust government to be ethical with all this info.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
14. "The Snowden Principle"
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:27 AM
Jun 2013

K&R

... well, add that one to the bag of "principles" that we oft quote! I think it will stick. Congratulations to John Cusack at HuffPO for FINALLY giving us a name to this never-ending phenomenon.

One thing we need to remember is that we have lost more than our privacy. An added reason for the backlash by the M$M & government officials is that they are protecting the big elephant in the room. The BIG elephant is THE CORPORATION, baby. When the People find out the extent to which our democracy has been sold down the river to the highest no bid PRIVATE CONTRACTOR (numbering in the 1,000s I'd guess by now) and the amount of money that has been poured down that drain, and how our "free press" has not done it's job to hold their feet to the fire and told us what the eff goes on up there inside the beltway and on Wall Street. It's all cutthroat vulture crony capitalism. The Press, and the Government both in collusion behind the scenes with THE CORPORATION

Do we want to be a Corporation or a Democracy? THAT is the question.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
15. I wish we had a way to rec posts. - “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jun 2013

As Benjamin Franklin left the Constitutional Convention, on September 18, 1787, a certain Mrs. Powel shouted out to him: “Well, doctor, what have we got?,” and Franklin responded: “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

http://harpers.org/blog/2007/07/a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it/

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
20. k&r
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:05 AM
Jun 2013

I'm a Cusack fan from way back. (I show "Better Off Dead" as my holiday film before finals in the fall semester. Even the most cynical teenagers love it.)

Great to see him develop into a sophisticated political voice.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
23. "Better Off Dead" ?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:07 AM
Jun 2013

Never seen it but if you think that highly of it, I want to watch it.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
31. It's a goofball 80's film, kind of cult classic territory.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jun 2013

Not political, but it has good messages about the underdogs winning over the cool kids, but not in a preachy way.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
33. You're welcome
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jun 2013

It's something of a "guerrilla" film and lacks the polish of a lavishly funded Hollywood project.

But if you are a tolerant fan then you are going to howl with delight at the many moments when the movie scores.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
27. John Cusack once again shows the power of his pen* (K&R)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:39 AM
Jun 2013

*Inside joke for Cusack fans.

Very violent clip from Grosse Point Blank

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
30. I remember when he did War, Inc. A great satire on the privatisation of war and "reconstruction"
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:22 AM
Jun 2013

His political voice has not appeared to waver with the changing of the guard in the White House. He did an interview with Scahill on Democracy now, for those that haven't seen it or the film, both are worth watching. Scahill and Amy Goodman are pretty firmly under the bus now that 180's are all the rage here. I imagine he will join them today.

1 of 2 of the Democracy Now segment 2 of 2 is recommended as well



The trailer for those who have not seen the film.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
41. Threats to the Lie Agreed Upon are often met with viciousness & hatred.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:01 PM
Jun 2013

That's what we appear to be seeing -- terror at the thought of upending a convenient way of looking at things. In this case, the comfortable assumption that we are somehow safe from the obviously out-of-control domestic surveillance monstrosity created to feed greedy private contractors and invasive authorities alike, eagerly hung on the fears of a post-911 country

Yes, we've known it was bad "since 2006." How bad, we didn't want to know. It was soothing to think that electing a Democratic President would somehow insure it wasn't happening.

Thus the fury. The silly attempts to destroy the messenger based on "pole dancing girlfriends." People don't like having the narrative interrupted with a jolt of truth-telling that suggests we are, indeed, in trouble.

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