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The Snowden Principle
John Cusack
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When The Snowden Principle is invoked and revelations of this magnitude are revealed; it is always met with predictable establishment blowback from the red and blue elites of state power. Those in charge are prone to hysteria and engage in character assassination, as are many in the establishment press that have been co-opted by government access . When The Snowden Principle is evoked the fix is always in and instead of looking at the wrongdoing exposed, they parrot the government position no matter what the facts
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Within hours of the NSA's leaks, a massive coalition of groups came together to plan an international campaign to oppose and fix the NSA spying regime. You can join them here - I already did. The groups span across the political spectrum, from Dick Armey's FreedomWorks to the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and longtime civil rights groups like ACLU, Electronic Frontier Foundation and Free Press.
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But as law professor Jonathan Turley reminds us, a lie told by everyone is not the truth. "The Republican and Democratic parties have achieved a bipartisan purpose in uniting against the public's need to know about massive surveillance programs and the need to redefine privacy in a more surveillance friendly image," he wrote recently.
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As more people find out about these abuses, the outrage mounts and the debate expands. Many in the mainstream media have shown that the public can't count on them to stand up to internal pressure when The Snowden Principle is evoked to serve the national interest, and protect our core fundamental rights.
The questions The Snowden Principle raises when evoked will not go away....How long do they expect rational people to accept using the word "terror" to justify and excuse ever expanding executive and state power ? Why are so many in our government and press and intellectual class so afraid of an informed public? Why are they so afraid of a Free Press and the people's right to know?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-cusack/snowden-principle_b_3441237.html
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)You have good company with Sen. Sanders and Sen. Grayson.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Other than that slight discomfort, the conversation is scintillating, passionate, and respectful. I'm enjoying it down here.
Nice to be with so many DU friends there.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And accepts it as normal.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)I was thinking of you so strongly tonight because I was going through some old bookmarks and found some where, lol, we got thrown under the bus in June 2008 for speaking out against the pre-Presidential FISA vote. Some of them were so sad to read right now. You were ON IT! This is one of the ones I had up Hoyer: FISA bill passed to keep the Blue Dogs from demanding a stronger bill. Absurdity
You were very prescient. We need you so I'm happy you're here!
Please check your PMs in a few minutes.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Although it gets increasingly hard to see four fingers and not say "five".
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)....seems I should have taken the Blue Pill instead....
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Its like a mob of lemmings rushing to embrace fascism.
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Special bonuses for cramming more than 3 of their scripted talking points into a single post? And an extra BIG, try-to-cut-'em-off-at-the-knees bonus for being the first one to respond to any latest breaking news post documenting negative actions, motivations or behaviors by their hero or hero's agents/minions/appointees.
My dog, how the money rolls in! Do they have a Hall of Infamy for those lemmings who post more than a certain number of times per thread? Award the Medal of Dishonor to anyone posting more than 200 times per 24 hour period? Is there a super-secret annual awards dinner? A faux gold sheep? "The 2013 Sheeple Award for the greatest number of anti Snowden/pro NSA posts goes to _ _ _ _ _!
Einstein had it right:"Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)pro-snowden people, and if if a different one how do one decide which one a person belongs under?
bobduca
(1,763 posts)and anyone pimping this bullshit NSA talking points gets added...
you shall know them by their attempts to smear.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Just look for the Klingon discommendations!
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Seriously.
Good God, this shit is annoying.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Losing profits.
Capitalism failed in 2008. It was bailed out by the communist Obama (who isn't a communist or even a socialist, he's more like an insurance salesman, which is actually a capitalist/socialist) and all the taxpayers. And they have hidden that truth all this time.
Terror is a profit engine. It's just about run its course. So... what's next?
Global Warming. But who can they blame? Who can they point at and say they caused this...
Anyway, it - Global Climate Catastrophe is going to mean huge profits for the first ones to get government contracts.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Because it is all off budget, subject to practically no scrutiny. This is the best money there is anywhere on the planet. People will do anything to keep this money pot producing.
So, you can't really follow the money. That what makes it so great.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)What a racket. Billions of tax dollars, with no oversight, being spent. Useless for catching terrorists...but very effective for domestic surveillence. Congress kept in the dark and lied to...a foreign surveillence court rubber-stamping every request... this has all the earmarks of a totalitarian state. All it's lacking is an out-of-control jack-booted police force...oops.
I think it was Binney's interview...he said the data collection points are badly suited for collecting foreign communications...but ideally located for intercepting and collecting domestic communications.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Trillions! What for? And not a single one of those economic terrorists has paid despite our trillion-dollar NSA to protect us from evil-doers. The terror profit train seems to be working two ways but we can't get a seat on either train. One's for the bankers, the others for the elite. Where are we? Back in the caboose shovelling coal? "You know the drill, back to the caboose To shovel coal until you decide which path to choose"
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valerief
(53,235 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)against the excessive data mining. We are overdue to address this.
Swagman
(1,934 posts)on and on and the truth and reality is lost.
Our lives are to be recorded in minute detail for possible future use and one day we may be deemed to be the enemy for unimaginable reasons.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)upi402
(16,854 posts)We are being gamed and propagandized.
I just don't trust government to be ethical with all this info.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)K&R
... well, add that one to the bag of "principles" that we oft quote! I think it will stick. Congratulations to John Cusack at HuffPO for FINALLY giving us a name to this never-ending phenomenon.
One thing we need to remember is that we have lost more than our privacy. An added reason for the backlash by the M$M & government officials is that they are protecting the big elephant in the room. The BIG elephant is THE CORPORATION, baby. When the People find out the extent to which our democracy has been sold down the river to the highest no bid PRIVATE CONTRACTOR (numbering in the 1,000s I'd guess by now) and the amount of money that has been poured down that drain, and how our "free press" has not done it's job to hold their feet to the fire and told us what the eff goes on up there inside the beltway and on Wall Street. It's all cutthroat vulture crony capitalism. The Press, and the Government both in collusion behind the scenes with THE CORPORATION
Do we want to be a Corporation or a Democracy? THAT is the question.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)As Benjamin Franklin left the Constitutional Convention, on September 18, 1787, a certain Mrs. Powel shouted out to him: Well, doctor, what have we got?, and Franklin responded: A Republic, if you can keep it.
http://harpers.org/blog/2007/07/a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it/
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm a Cusack fan from way back. (I show "Better Off Dead" as my holiday film before finals in the fall semester. Even the most cynical teenagers love it.)
Great to see him develop into a sophisticated political voice.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Never seen it but if you think that highly of it, I want to watch it.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Not political, but it has good messages about the underdogs winning over the cool kids, but not in a preachy way.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..."That's a damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good whiteboy like that.."
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)A bit rough around some of its edges but I loved that spiritual sequel to Grosse Point Blank.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0884224/
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I loved Grosse Point Blank, I'll put this on my list.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It's something of a "guerrilla" film and lacks the polish of a lavishly funded Hollywood project.
But if you are a tolerant fan then you are going to howl with delight at the many moments when the movie scores.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)*Inside joke for Cusack fans.
Very violent clip from Grosse Point Blank
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)His political voice has not appeared to waver with the changing of the guard in the White House. He did an interview with Scahill on Democracy now, for those that haven't seen it or the film, both are worth watching. Scahill and Amy Goodman are pretty firmly under the bus now that 180's are all the rage here. I imagine he will join them today.
1 of 2 of the Democracy Now segment 2 of 2 is recommended as well
The trailer for those who have not seen the film.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Cusack isn't blinded by party loyalty, love it!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)That's what we appear to be seeing -- terror at the thought of upending a convenient way of looking at things. In this case, the comfortable assumption that we are somehow safe from the obviously out-of-control domestic surveillance monstrosity created to feed greedy private contractors and invasive authorities alike, eagerly hung on the fears of a post-911 country
Yes, we've known it was bad "since 2006." How bad, we didn't want to know. It was soothing to think that electing a Democratic President would somehow insure it wasn't happening.
Thus the fury. The silly attempts to destroy the messenger based on "pole dancing girlfriends." People don't like having the narrative interrupted with a jolt of truth-telling that suggests we are, indeed, in trouble.