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ProSense

(116,464 posts) Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:45 PM Jun 2013

NSA veteran: "So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor."

William Binney responds to question.

Q: There's a question being debated whether Snowden is a hero or a traitor.

Binney: Certainly he performed a really great public service to begin with by exposing these programs and making the government in a sense publicly accountable for what they're doing. At least now they are going to have some kind of open discussion like that.

But now he is starting to talk about things like the government hacking into China and all this kind of thing. He is going a little bit too far. I don't think he had access to that program. But somebody talked to him about it, and so he said, from what I have read, anyway, he said that somebody, a reliable source, told him that the U.S. government is hacking into all these countries. But that's not a public service, and now he is going a little beyond public service.

So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/

NYT editor's blog: Snowden’s Questionable New Turn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034825

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NSA veteran: "So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor." (Original Post) ProSense Jun 2013 OP

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #1

Kick! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #2

LOL, I wondered how long before you kicked your own post. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #3

Guess when I'm going to kick it again? ProSense Jun 2013 #4

This made me laugh so hard warrprayer Jun 2013 #7

When you get bored. Or when you want attention I guess. Self promoting is your specialty. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #8

give her credit warrprayer Jun 2013 #10

Yes, post #2 was her self kick. She does it a lot. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #12

must be warrprayer Jun 2013 #14

Nope, guess again. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #11

Why do you have such an issue, Logical, sheshe2 Jun 2013 #17

Because if people are interested they will respond. If not let it sink. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #21

Interesting~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #23

LOL, what ever that means. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #25

try and understand what it means. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #26

Exactly, Voice for Peace! Cha Jun 2013 #28

HAHA! Poor obsessed thing.. kinda creepy. Cha Jun 2013 #13

You got that right! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #20

He's Cha Jun 2013 #27

Noooooo!!! warrprayer Jun 2013 #5

K&R n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #6

Thomas Drake: He is by all definitions a classic whistle-blower and by all definitions he exposed in usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #9

Charlie Pierce is calling Leaker Snowden "silly".. Cha Jun 2013 #15

Glenn Greenwald Justifies Snowden’s Fear He Will Be Killed: U.S. ‘Targeted’ Americans In The Past ProSense Jun 2013 #16

yeah, Glenn Greenwald is full of SHIT. Cha Jun 2013 #24

I really want to see where this is going. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #29

DUrec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #18

Really lame burnodo Jun 2013 #19

Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #22

Thanks. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #31

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #30

Response to ProSense (Original post)

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ProSense

(116,464 posts)

2. Kick! n/t

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:01 PM

Jun 2013

Logical

(22,457 posts)

3. LOL, I wondered how long before you kicked your own post. n-t

Reply to ProSense (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:04 PM

Jun 2013

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

4. Guess when I'm going to kick it again?

Reply to Logical (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:06 PM

Jun 2013

I dare you!

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)

7. This made me laugh so hard

Reply to ProSense (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:08 PM

Jun 2013

that I now have to rec your post.

Logical

(22,457 posts)

8. When you get bored. Or when you want attention I guess. Self promoting is your specialty. n-t

Reply to ProSense (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:08 PM

Jun 2013

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)

10. give her credit

Reply to Logical (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:09 PM

Jun 2013

she didn't rec her own post yet anyway

Logical

(22,457 posts)

12. Yes, post #2 was her self kick. She does it a lot. n-t

Reply to warrprayer (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:15 PM

Jun 2013

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)

14. must be

Reply to Logical (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:19 PM

Jun 2013

.... realizing that the pro-Snowden threads are getting massive kicks/recs.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

11. Nope, guess again. n/t

Reply to Logical (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:10 PM

Jun 2013

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)

17. Why do you have such an issue, Logical,

Reply to Logical (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:29 PM

Jun 2013

with someone kicking there own OP?

When I post an OP, I kick it because I believe in the words I posted or the story I was trying to tell.

It is not self promotion to believe in oneself or the words that come out of our mouth.

Logical

(22,457 posts)

21. Because if people are interested they will respond. If not let it sink. n-t

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:33 PM

Jun 2013

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)

23. Interesting~

Reply to Logical (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:36 PM

Jun 2013

I prefer to believe in myself.

Logical

(22,457 posts)

25. LOL, what ever that means. n-t

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:38 PM

Jun 2013

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)

26. try and understand what it means.

Reply to Logical (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:42 PM

Jun 2013

she's making a good point.
I kick and rec my own threads, too.
It makes me happy.

Cha

(297,275 posts)

28. Exactly, Voice for Peace!

Reply to Voice for Peace (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:02 PM

Jun 2013

I wouldn't have OPed it if I didn't want more peeps to see it. And, sometimes on a busy board that means Rec and Kicking. It's a thing of beauty.

Not something to be obsessed about by someone who doesn't like the information!

Cha

(297,275 posts)

13. HAHA! Poor obsessed thing.. kinda creepy.

Reply to ProSense (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:19 PM

Jun 2013

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)

20. You got that right!

Reply to Cha (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:31 PM

Jun 2013

Cha

(297,275 posts)

27. He's

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:45 PM

Jun 2013

baaaack!

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)

5. Noooooo!!!

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:06 PM

Jun 2013

He's TRANSITIONING!!!!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)

6. K&R n/t

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:06 PM

Jun 2013

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)

9. Thomas Drake: He is by all definitions a classic whistle-blower and by all definitions he exposed in

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:08 PM

Jun 2013

Thomas Drake: He's an American who has been exposed to some incredible information regarding the deepest secrets of the United States government. And we are seeing the initial outlines and contours of a very systemic, very broad, a Leviathan surveillance state and much of it is in violation of the fundamental basis for our own country — in fact, the very reason we even had our own American Revolution. And the Fourth Amendment for all intents and purposes was revoked after 9/11. ...

He is by all definitions a classic whistle-blower and by all definitions he exposed information in the public interest. We're now finally having the debate that we've never had since 9/11.

Radack: "Hero or traitor?" was the original question. I don't like these labels, and they are putting people into categories of two extremes, villain or saint. ... By law, he fits the legal definition of a whistle-blower. He is someone who exposed broad waste, abuse and in his case illegality. ... And he also said he was making the disclosures for the public good and because he wanted to have a debate.

Let's not forget about the other quotes.

Snowden is the new Global Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!

Cha

(297,275 posts)

15. Charlie Pierce is calling Leaker Snowden "silly"..

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:24 PM

Jun 2013

2) All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.

Aaaannnnnd...SCENE!

If he had stopped at "jailing me," I would have been all right with what he said. I have no doubt that the US government has every intention of jailing him if it ever gets its hands on him. But it is beyond silly to believe that the US government intends to murder him. I mean, really. Honky, please.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Snowden_Effect_Rolls_On

..he said that somebody, a reliable source, told him that the U.S. government is hacking into all these countries. But that's not a public service, and now he is going a little beyond public service.

Yeah, Snowden is a leaker and a China butt kisser.

Mahalo ProSense

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

16. Glenn Greenwald Justifies Snowden’s Fear He Will Be Killed: U.S. ‘Targeted’ Americans In The Past

Reply to Cha (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:26 PM

Jun 2013

Glenn Greenwald Justifies Snowden’s Fear He Will Be Killed: U.S. ‘Targeted’ Americans In The Past

by Noah Rothman

During a live chat on The Guardian’s website on Monday, NSA leaker Edward Snowden reassured readers that the secrets he has been steadily providing to that paper regarding America’s intelligence gathering practices would not end even if he was murdered. Appearing on CNN’s The Lead with Jake Tapper, The Guardian reporter Glenn Greenwald clarified those comments and said that Snowden fears for his life because the U.S. has previously executed strikes on Americans abroad, like that which killed American-born Al Qaeda operative Anwar al-Awlaki. Greenwald noted that he has seen no indication that the American government would execute a similar operation to neutralize Snowden.

“All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me,” Snowden said on Monday.

“To a lot of people, that murder suggestion seems like a rather outrageous charge,” Tapper began. “Is there any evidence that Snowden’s life is in any danger?”

Greenwald said that some journalists’ accounts of the Snowden leaks scandal, the impression many get is that America would turn to extraordinary methods to eliminate the threat posed by Snowden if he decided to turn over to a foreign government the information at his disposal.

- more -

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-greenwald-justifies-snowdens-fear-he-will-be-killed-u-s-targeted-americans-in-the-past/

Cha

(297,275 posts)

24. yeah, Glenn Greenwald is full of SHIT.

Reply to ProSense (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:37 PM

Jun 2013

Is Greenwald whispering "they're going to kill you" in Snowden's ear?

thanks!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

29. I really want to see where this is going. n/t

Reply to Cha (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:27 PM

Jun 2013

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

18. DUrec...nt

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:29 PM

Jun 2013

Sid

burnodo

(2,017 posts)

19. Really lame

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:30 PM

Jun 2013

In the thread about Binney and the other two, you weren't as interested in their input because "Bush's policies are not the same as Obama's" Now he gives a mild rebuke of Snowden, and you're like "See? See I told ya! See?" It's like the political version of a sandbox.

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)

22. Kicked and Recommending!

Reply to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:35 PM

Jun 2013

The idea that we should unilaterally discard a practice — however distasteful — used for centuries by virtually every country that can afford a spy service is naïve. Every industrialized country spies on every other, in part to learn just how much they are being spied on. What exactly was it he believed the intelligence world did when he first started making money by working for it?

From your link
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/17/snowdens-questionable-new-turn/

ProSense

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31. Thanks. n/t

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:17 PM

Jun 2013

Scurrilous

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30. K & R

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:04 PM

Jun 2013

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