No system is going to catch the well done plan. And 9/11 while an act of terror and poor targeting was none the less done well. The only mistake being battle duration. That booboo is why the fourth plane nose dived into a field.
The system will help catch those who don't dot the I's and cross the T'. And is worthless at catching the loners like the Unibomber.

and they succeeded.

From my vantage point I see the blanket surveillance of Americans is more about controlling your domestic enemies that oppose your political agenda including illegal wars & lawlessness by law makers on behalf of corporations than fighting terrorism. The results are becoming very self evident.

As for the 9/11 plan being well done that is quite debatable. There were plenty of warnings that are well documented. 9/11 at best was a complete failure of the US intelligence community and the Bush administration IMO.

The Bush/Cheney administration new well in advance about an attack on American soil and sat back and did NOTHING because they needed a Pearl Harbor moment to unleash the Patriot Act and take us to war.

You can take everything Bush and Cheney knew and balance it on a pinhead in a windstorm and naught would fall off.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but the Bush Admin knew a LOT of things. They were far from stupid, but playing the stupid card allowed them to do things that should have been impossible had more people seen them as evil rather than incompetent.

For instance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?hpw&_r=0

I find it odd that you would be the very first poster on this thread and would immediately try to exonerate Bush/Cheney NOT for instituting an illegal NSA spying program, but for not catching the 9/11 attackers using the new illegal spying program. The 9/11 attacks are not part of the OP and yet you immediately offer that there is no way for Bush/Cheney to have known about the attacks using such a program. Very odd indeed!

I would offer that the subject YOU brought up is EXACTLY where this story needs further investigation. If the Bush/Cheney cabal DID have the ability to monitor massive amounts domestic communication and if the FBI already had knowledge of suspicious middle-eastern men in flight training, it seems likely that the monitoring would have caught the planners prior to the attack.

In short, this revelation adds significant fuel to the LIHOP theories of the past decade.

Cheers!

One was...............................................................

The Cheney Administration wanted these attacked to occur (may have planned it themselves since the Bushies are Saudi Arabia's favorite pets).................

After 9/11/ happened - the Patriotic Act and Americans were willing to give up their PRIVACY.

Apparently they did do it before 9-11. I think 9-11 gave them a great excuse to continue and enhance it. Which adds to my "LIHOP" theory.

Binney said was the equipment for this massive operation rolled in in Sept 2001

Thanks for the links back to the Binney story. It's all very important info that when taken together, paints a very intereSTINK picture.

I just listened to it thanks to this thread "Binney: US has copies of most of your emails" by Th1onein

This was in April 2012

I understand the necessity of those rules but at the same time, they could be and obviously are used/abused to silence would-be inside whistleblowers while power mongers shit on the constitution while hiding behind the secrecy.

gave the incoming Bush administration all their intel concerning a strong possibility that the terrorist had planned to attack by air. The Cheney administration ignored it.

or at least, he witnessed it 7 months before Sept 11.

So this guy refused and they brought him up on insider trading charges. No need to wonder how that investigation began or how they found something to drag him through the mud so quickly.

Rec'd

Follow the Deja DU links I posted in this duplicate thread:

Bush-Cheney began illegal NSA spying before 9/11, says telcom CEO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3052779

It's been my opinion all along that the surveillance pre and post 9/11 has been more about covering their treasonous asses than protecting us.

Any thread suggesting that BushCo knew about the 9/11 attacks before they happened are shut down and locked.

the one with an M, not so much.

The former you can keep it contained, the latter not so much.

but we as a country are in full denial of where we are... and it is not a nice place.


“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

...thus, always figured the primary reason for such surveillance was covering treasonous asses.