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BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:34 PM Jun 2013

Gun owners call off bringing weapons to neighborhood events in MN

Citing intimidating reaction from “anti-gun zealots,” a gun-owners group said Thursday it has shelved its intention to gather at Twin Cities neighborhood family events with their weapons in full view.

The gun owners “meet-up” events, in which the promoters suggested that so-called “concealed-carry” permit holders carry their handguns openly, came as a surprise to some city officials and organizers of the Open Streets neighborhood gatherings.

Shelley Leeson, the gun group’s director, explained that she called off the meet-ups because “people kind of freaked out and didn’t understand that we were just meeting up. It wasn’t trying to be some sort of demonstration. ... I understand the concerns, but I think they are truly unwarranted.”

Leeson, 51, of northeast Minneapolis, said she was concerned about putting her fellow members “in a situation where they would be intimidated” by opponents who went online in recent days and threatened to “get in our face” at the gatherings. She pointed to one person’s threat to “bring a bullhorn and stand next to us.” http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/212328811.html


OMG, a bullhorn. The intimidation of free speech.

I'm glad they withdrew. Now people can enjoy neighborhood celebrations without fear. Even if gunners don't think that fear is warranted, people are naturally going to be afraid around guns.
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Gun owners call off bringing weapons to neighborhood events in MN (Original Post) BainsBane Jun 2013 OP
Darn. onehandle Jun 2013 #1
Good. premium Jun 2013 #2
Well, I'm glad we can agree on that BainsBane Jun 2013 #4
Oh, I'm sure we agree on other things also, premium Jun 2013 #12
I agree with the first six BainsBane Jun 2013 #26
Ok, I should have been more clear. premium Jun 2013 #30
Yep, I like all of those, very much BainsBane Jun 2013 #31
I forgot that one premium Jun 2013 #32
any research is subject to peer review before publication BainsBane Jun 2013 #33
That's more than fair. premium Jun 2013 #35
I will try to do the same BainsBane Jun 2013 #37
You too. nt. premium Jun 2013 #38
intimidation is the reason, the same reason they object to government agents and guns nt msongs Jun 2013 #15
I can't disagree with you there premium Jun 2013 #16
Wonder when toters and accumulators will get the message. Hoyt Jun 2013 #3
These gun freaks have gotten crazier ever since Obama was elected quinnox Jun 2013 #5
The past couple days BainsBane Jun 2013 #7
So, the folks with the guns were afraid of the 'one person' that was going to bring a bullhorn Tx4obama Jun 2013 #6
I know BainsBane Jun 2013 #8
Good. actslikeacarrot Jun 2013 #9
I thought having a gun meant not having to be afraid of anything? My Good Babushka Jun 2013 #10
Good. And don't show up with you pants off, either. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2013 #11
Good. Every damn little thing people do doesn't have to be politicized. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #13
So let's review: cliffordu Jun 2013 #14
Intimidation? We all know the answer to that: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #17
I thought you were a gunner, Buzz Clik BainsBane Jun 2013 #27
My vote was: "I say fuck guns and anything to do with them." Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #39
That was a fast turn around sarisataka Jun 2013 #18
does anyone see the irony of saying that 'antigun' people are scary? samsingh Jun 2013 #19
of course BainsBane Jun 2013 #28
Where does a person that attacks Laochtine Jun 2013 #20
same as if it was concealed, and depends if it was attack or defence loli phabay Jun 2013 #21
They would be charged with assault sarisataka Jun 2013 #22
just reread your post not sure i read it correctly first time loli phabay Jun 2013 #23
You may be lying on your back after your attack. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #24
You mean attack with a bullhorn? BainsBane Jun 2013 #29
Notice how the gun lovers have the laws down. They study when they can shoot someone. Hoyt Jun 2013 #40
It is good that they have changed their mind. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #25
most people have no idea how many people are carrying around them loli phabay Jun 2013 #36
I knew we had double toters here. Talking about extremists. Geeeeeez, unless LE. Hoyt Jun 2013 #41
Death-loving goobers mwrguy Jun 2013 #34
 

premium

(3,731 posts)
12. Oh, I'm sure we agree on other things also,
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jun 2013

things such as,

All firearms transaction go through an FFL dealer, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Stiffer penalties for straw purchases
Stiffer penalties for crimes involving firearms
Better reporting by states to the NICS of prohibited persons
More stringent national standards for CCP
More funding for Mental Health Care
End the insane WOD which would help reduce violence in the inner cities
Repeal the Tiahart Amendment
Confirm a permanent BATFE director
Better funding for the BATFE
Those are just a few.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
30. Ok, I should have been more clear.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jun 2013

Sorry about that,
End the insane War On Drugs
Tiahart Amendment limited the Bureau of Alcohol Tabbaco Firearms and Explosives on how many inspections a year they could do on FFL dealers.
Confirm a permanent director for the Bureau of Alcohol Tabacco Firearms and Explosives
More funding for the Bureau of Alcohol Tabbaco Firearms and Explosives.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
32. I forgot that one
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:13 AM
Jun 2013

and I fully agree that the CDC should be allowed to do research on the effects of violence of firearms on society, but, it has to be fair and unbiased research.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
33. any research is subject to peer review before publication
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:17 AM
Jun 2013

and we're not talking just about the CDC. All major science and public health research in the US is funded by the federal government. NIH and NSF need to be able to fund academic research into guns. Grant applications are subject to rigorous and competitive review processes. The research is then done according to careful standards, since federal funding guidelines require it, and then journals insist on peer review before allowing publication.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
35. That's more than fair.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:31 AM
Jun 2013

I told you that we probably had more in common than we realized on gun control.
I want to apologize to you for getting nasty in other threads, this issue is very contentious and can inflame passions.
I'll try to avoid the insults and have a respectful debate from now on, I may not agree with you on some comments, but there's no reason we can't have a civil discussion.

Anywho, it's 10:45 here, I think that you're 2 hours ahead of Nevada, so, you have a good night and will get back to you tomorrow.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
16. I can't disagree with you there
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jun 2013

it was an in your face action which does nothing but make gun owners look bad.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
5. These gun freaks have gotten crazier ever since Obama was elected
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jun 2013

that drove them "batshit crazy".

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
8. I know
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jun 2013

Pretty funny isn't it. I'm glad they canceled, but that explanation is a riot. Typical too. We're not supposed to be intimidated by a bunch of armed people in the streets, but they are intimidated by a bullhorn?!

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
10. I thought having a gun meant not having to be afraid of anything?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jun 2013

Now they are too afraid to go out, even with their guns! sheesh. I guess they can cower in a bunker.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
14. So let's review:
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jun 2013

you gotta fucking gun and the 'anti-gun zealots' are intimidating you?

What a bunch of fucking wimps.

But then we knew that, din't we??



 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
39. My vote was: "I say fuck guns and anything to do with them."
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:11 AM
Jun 2013

That was the closest option you had to a full ban. I own two and would have to give them up.

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
18. That was a fast turn around
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jun 2013

but the correct choice. If there is the potential for confrontation- avoid it

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
28. of course
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jun 2013

Not just irony, but really funny. Still, I'm not inclined to ridicule them because I'm glad they made the right decision. We're talking about my city here.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
21. same as if it was concealed, and depends if it was attack or defence
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jun 2013

No difference between them if either carried legally.

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
22. They would be charged with assault
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:36 AM
Jun 2013

and depending of disparity of force the open carry person could be justified in using lethal force.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
23. just reread your post not sure i read it correctly first time
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:36 AM
Jun 2013

So i will try another answer, if you attack someone open carrying legally then they if they feel fear of death or serious injury can stop that threat. You have no right to attack someone just because they are doing something legal you dont like.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
24. You may be lying on your back after your attack.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jun 2013

That would depend upon the disparity of force between the two of you. If you are a young, fit, man and the gun wearer is a senior citizen, he can likely shoot you - legally.

Initiating violence is always a bad idea.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
29. You mean attack with a bullhorn?
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:54 AM
Jun 2013

By telling them what they think? Gosh. Minnesota surely should bring back the death penalty for that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
40. Notice how the gun lovers have the laws down. They study when they can shoot someone.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jun 2013

I think for many, they don't want to miss an opportunity to try that new hardware out on something besides paper targets resembling humans, mellons, water jugs, etc.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
25. It is good that they have changed their mind.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jun 2013

They would have been going into a situation in which a confrontation and hot tempers would be a possibility. That is something at an armed person should avoid. A large part of my CHL class was on the importance of avoiding situations that could lead to angry conflict.

Carry concealed, and nobody gets upset that you have a gun.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
36. most people have no idea how many people are carrying around them
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:37 AM
Jun 2013

I carry a glock and a baby glock on an ankle holster most days and unless you look real carefully you would never notice either. The majority of the freaking out over stuff like this is the extremists on both ends of the argument with the middle mot caring.

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