General Discussion

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts) Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:45 PM Jun 2013

NSA: All your encrypted emails & logins belong to us.

After the NSA accidentally captures an email between two Americans...

...The simple fact that the data is encrypted and that the NSA wants to crack it may be enough to let the agency keep it indefinitely.

...In other words, privacy advocates may be facing a nasty Catch-22: Fail to encrypt your communications, and they’re vulnerable to any eavesdropper’s surveillance. But encrypt them, and they become legally subject to eavesdropping by the most powerful surveillance agency in the world.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/20/leaked-nsa-doc-says-it-can-collect-and-keep-your-encrypted-data-as-long-as-it-takes-to-crack-it/?partner=yahootix

7 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

NSA: All your encrypted emails & logins belong to us. (Original Post) Eric J in MN Jun 2013 OP

We should find out the policy on steganography. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #1

I just send encrypted porn Kennah Jun 2013 #2

Sounds like "somebody" doesn't have enough real work to do... Pholus Jun 2013 #3

I think I'll email a few terrabytes of encrypted random numbers ThoughtCriminal Jun 2013 #4

ONLY if the Director submits IN WRITING jazzimov Jun 2013 #5

Then what do they mean by ALL? Jarla Jun 2013 #6

Hey! Are you a rascist? nt Th1onein Jun 2013 #7

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)

1. We should find out the policy on steganography.

Reply to Eric J in MN (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:03 PM

Jun 2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

Searching for steganography in unecrypted mail could make it subject too, could it not? In that context, probably better to go with the encryption, at least SSL or whatever.

edit: Answered by Wired

Per the document: “In the context of a cryptanalytic effort, maintenance of technical data bases requires retention of all communications that are enciphered or reasonably believed to contain secret meaning, and sufficient duration may consist of any period of time during which encrypted material is subject to, or of use in, cryptanalysis.”

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/five-fun-facts-on-the-nsa-leak/

So its lumped in with the encrypted stuff.

Kennah

(14,315 posts)

2. I just send encrypted porn

Reply to Eric J in MN (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:04 PM

Jun 2013

The Internet is for porn
The Internet is for porn
Porn, porn, porn, porn
The Internet is for porn

Pholus

(4,062 posts)

3. Sounds like "somebody" doesn't have enough real work to do...

Reply to Eric J in MN (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:13 PM

Jun 2013

I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to start attaching encrypted images to each and every email just to make sure my tax dollars are used instead of wasted.

Perhaps a collection of my old soviet jokes, with the punchlines updated to the NSA/CIA would be a lovely gift for them.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,049 posts)

4. I think I'll email a few terrabytes of encrypted random numbers

Reply to Eric J in MN (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:17 PM

Jun 2013

just to keep them busy for the next few decades.

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)

5. ONLY if the Director submits IN WRITING

Reply to Eric J in MN (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:24 PM

Jun 2013

that the encrypted information is necessary for cryptanalysis.

Jarla

(156 posts)

6. Then what do they mean by ALL?

Reply to jazzimov (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:09 AM

Jun 2013

Section 5(3)a:

In the context of a cryptanalytic effort, maintenance of technical data bases
requires retention of all communications that are enciphered or reasonably
believed to contain secret meaning, and sufficient duration may consist of any
period of time during which material is subject to, or of use in cryptanalysis.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)

7. Hey! Are you a rascist? nt

Reply to Jarla (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:44 AM

Jun 2013

Reply to this discussion