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G_j

(40,370 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:41 PM Jun 2013

Elizabeth Warren: If people knew what was going on, they would stop it

We won't make the information public because if people knew what was going on, they would stop it.

That's been the government's argument for not releasing the basic trade negotiation documents. Let me explain:

Trade agreements are important. They affect everything -- our imports and exports, wages, jobs, the environment, financial services, and even the Internet.

But if people can't follow the basic outline of the negotiations, then they can't have any real input into the process.

Right now the U.S. Trade Representative is negotiating a Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal with eleven countries, including Japan, Mexico, Canada, Singapore and Vietnam. For months, the Trade Representative has refused any public access to the Trans-Pacific Partnership's composite bracketed text – the language proposals being negotiated on by the United States and other countries.

I believe in transparency and democracy, and I think the U.S. Trade Representative should too. So I asked President Obama's nominee for U.S. Trade Representative, Michael Froman, three questions:

1. Would he commit to releasing the composite bracketed text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership?

2. If not, would he commit to releasing just a scrubbed version of the bracketed text that made anonymous which country proposed which provision? Even the Bush Administration put out the scrubbed version during negotiations around the Free Trade Area of the Americas agreement.

3. Would he provide more transparency behind what information is made to the trade office's outside advisors? Currently, there are about 600 outside advisors that have access to sensitive information -- industry, labor, environmental groups and other NGO representatives. But there is no transparency around who gets what information and whether they all see the same things, and I think that's a real problem.

Mr. Froman's response was clear: No, no, no. He will not commit to make this information available so the public can track what is going on. For that reason, I voted against Michael Froman's nomination as U.S. Trade Representative on Wednesday.

I have heard the argument that transparency would undermine the Trade Representative's policy to complete the trade agreement because public opposition would be significant.

In other words, if people knew what was going on, they would stop it. This argument is exactly backwards. If transparency would lead to widespread public opposition to a trade agreement, then that trade agreement should not be the policy of the United States.

We need a new direction from the Trade Representative -- a direction that prioritizes transparency and public debate. The American people have the right to know more about the negotiations that will have dramatic impact on the future of the American economy.

Michael Froman was confirmed to his new position Wednesday night, but I'm not going to stop asking him the tough questions. We should have a serious conversation about our trade policies, because these issues matter. And it all starts with transparency from the U.S. Trade Representative.

Thank you for being a part of this,

Elizabeth







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Elizabeth Warren: If people knew what was going on, they would stop it (Original Post) G_j Jun 2013 OP
K&R Electric Monk Jun 2013 #1
+1 to the White House Divine Discontent Jun 2013 #24
Most of the country doent care. Even some here in DU would rather live in denial. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #2
Yep. Many have a "C'est le vie" mindset and they, if they think about it at all, snappyturtle Jun 2013 #7
IMO they live in a very narrow reality bubble. They dont like their reality challenged by rhett o rick Jun 2013 #11
c'est la vie kardonb Jun 2013 #35
That's because they don't know. The more the information is spread around the more people sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #20
She and Grayson are the only 2 people who speak clear plain English dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #3
dixiegrrrrl SamKnause Jun 2013 #8
Yes...yes indeed..... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #12
That they do. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #23
Don't discount Bernie Sanders. NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #47
Correct, in both cases. closeupready Jun 2013 #51
I'm no longer confident we can take back our government via the ballot box. CrispyQ Jun 2013 #56
it's two-pronged: 1) hide it; 2) get the public to like it--hegemonic conservatism MisterP Jun 2013 #4
That's right Elizabeth, ergo Fox News, the war on education, etc. Scuba Jun 2013 #5
She's on a roll and I hope she sticks to this standard (K&R) (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #6
We need clones of Elizabeth Warren. A voice in the political wilderness. Paper Roses Jun 2013 #9
How would WE stop it? I love when politicians tell US to do something NightWatcher Jun 2013 #10
Why in the hell can we not have dozens of politicians like her? I love her!!! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #13
We would need to have quite a few primary opponents for the house and senate. arcane1 Jun 2013 #26
Anyone who fights against it will be labeled a terrorist - or forestpath Jun 2013 #14
You got it! truedelphi Jun 2013 #28
^ Wilms Jun 2013 #15
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #16
WOW. Another PROMISE KEPT. bvar22 Jun 2013 #17
Do I sense sarcasm? dflprincess Jun 2013 #30
"Corporations, please stop profiteering! Wealthy People of America: We're hurting, get a soul!" HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #18
Just elect enough people like her to tax the one-percenters Amonester Jun 2013 #33
When we get close to campaign season NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #49
She is "unelectable" G_j Jun 2013 #58
GOD how I want this woman elected President. Volaris Jun 2013 #19
I am getting so fucking SICK of Barack Obama's bullshit! AzDar Jun 2013 #21
Maybe it's because the idea of voters selecting their NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #52
Warren/Grayson or Grayson/Warren 2016. 99Forever Jun 2013 #22
Most transparent government in history, right Obama? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #25
So you think Obama writes all that stuff and he is doing it alone? Amonester Jun 2013 #34
so now we shouldn't hold him accountable for what he says? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #53
The US Trades Representative is an enlightenment Jun 2013 #54
Right... ReRe Jun 2013 #36
They're transparent, all right. LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #55
Not even outrage over having our every aspect of our lives on a government server. dkf Jun 2013 #27
Sounds like another fantastic Obama pick. villager Jun 2013 #29
I don't know squat Mushroom Jun 2013 #31
That's why they don't tell us anything bordering on the truth. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #32
+++++^^^^^ ReRe Jun 2013 #37
The people used to be the boss. ReRe Jun 2013 #38
Demand CCFR, COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!! Lets take away the legal bribes Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #42
Well, we have a lot of house cleaning to do, but.... ReRe Jun 2013 #46
Elizabeth Warren is correct. Why all the damned secrecy if the trade deal is so wonderful? Enthusiast Jun 2013 #39
Thank you, Elizabeth pscot Jun 2013 #40
Everyone knows there are huge tax breaks, money give aways, and of course, more outsourcing! Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #41
It's nice to think they would stop it. But they would probably just use it as investment advice. raouldukelives Jun 2013 #43
Why doesn't Warren filibuster it? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #44
Who--exactly--are these people working for again? AndyA Jun 2013 #45
So she's a racist TransitJohn Jun 2013 #48
Elizabeth Warren for President, 2016! closeupready Jun 2013 #50
the U.S. government has become a culture of secrecy.... mike_c Jun 2013 #57
I can see it now... MelungeonWoman Jun 2013 #59

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
7. Yep. Many have a "C'est le vie" mindset and they, if they think about it at all,
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jun 2013

try to figure out how to cope with it rather than not allowing it in the first place.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. IMO they live in a very narrow reality bubble. They dont like their reality challenged by
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

whistle-blowers, pesky investigative journalists, protesters, conspiracy talk, and liberal ideas. In fact some lash out if you dare to upset their reality view.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. That's because they don't know. The more the information is spread around the more people
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jun 2013

there will be who know what is going on. No American wants Foreign Corporations writing their laws and as she says, if they knew they would stop it. That is why the information is not being disseminated by the MSM.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. She and Grayson are the only 2 people who speak clear plain English
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jun 2013

to us.
No flowery language
No vague non-specific phrases

Tho I do fear it is much too late for any accountability by almost anyone, now.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
8. dixiegrrrrl
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jun 2013

I think Bernie Sanders should be on that list.

3, a total of 3.

That is a sad list.

I agree.

It is TOO LATE.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
47. Don't discount Bernie Sanders.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jun 2013

He's been fighting the good fight far longer than Warren or Grayson. Personally, I hold all three in high regard.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
56. I'm no longer confident we can take back our government via the ballot box.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jun 2013
The system isn't broken. The system is fixed.

Money = speech. Holy fuck.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. it's two-pronged: 1) hide it; 2) get the public to like it--hegemonic conservatism
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jun 2013

(even our libertarian "dissidents" are rightists), delusional adoration, RW conspiracy theorists to provide cover and white noise

Paper Roses

(7,475 posts)
9. We need clones of Elizabeth Warren. A voice in the political wilderness.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jun 2013

There must be others with the courage to speak up. We are in such a downward spiral that we need all who can do so to help. Alan Greyson, Al Franken, Bernie Sanders...who else?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
10. How would WE stop it? I love when politicians tell US to do something
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jun 2013

I'm going to guess the congress critters have just a tad more pull than John Q Public.

In the meantime, I guess we should all just go donate to her PAC.

They complain about the money in government then ask for money to fight the system.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. We would need to have quite a few primary opponents for the house and senate.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:57 PM
Jun 2013

I'm all for it.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
28. You got it!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jun 2013

"While America Was Sleeping" -- it is bound to be a great read some twenty years from now. Subject of the book: How a whole nation was assured by its lying sack of shit puppet leaders that it is okay to be spied on as it keeps you safe.

In reality what it is keeping safe is the corruption, the lack of sanity and all that goes with throwing 500 billions of dollars into a surveillance society. How the revolving door between industry and the government means that bankers can do as they want, no matter how it destroys the world economy. How Monsanto can promote its famine foods. How drone scan kill innocent people, some of them just kids, as long as those kids are labeled "terrorists."

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
17. WOW. Another PROMISE KEPT.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jun 2013

During Campaign 2008, Candidate Obama promised several times that if elected President,
he "would re-negotiate NAFTA"!

Well, HERE it IS!...FINALLY!
Promise KEPT!!!!



Quick, add it to the List of Obama's Other Accomplishments!

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
30. Do I sense sarcasm?
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jun 2013


He never did say how he'd negotiate it so it probably will get added to his accomplishments - at least for those he's actually working for.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
18. "Corporations, please stop profiteering! Wealthy People of America: We're hurting, get a soul!"
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jun 2013

Yep, that didn't work.

The Purchased Congress of America doesn't care.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
33. Just elect enough people like her to tax the one-percenters
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jun 2013

up to the ten-percenters back to 90% while at the same time close all those pesky tax havens all around the world making it illegal to hide money there like rmoney & co.

And of course pass a public campaign funding act while rendering all lobbyist corruption illegal with long jailtime if found guilty (like the mafia).

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
49. When we get close to campaign season
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jun 2013

the resident third-way crew here on DU will be all over the board like white on rice, pushing how great their candidates are, and how the liberal ones, you know - the ones we SHOULD be choosing, have an ice cubes chance in hell of winning, etc., etc. Standard operating routine around here.

G_j

(40,370 posts)
58. She is "unelectable"
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jun 2013

:Sarcasm: just getting that out of the way..

of course, most who use that term hope it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Say it often enough.....

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
19. GOD how I want this woman elected President.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jun 2013

I would walk through Fire for her, and I don't offer that to some close FAMILY.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
21. I am getting so fucking SICK of Barack Obama's bullshit!
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jun 2013

Even when we win...we lose somehow.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
52. Maybe it's because the idea of voters selecting their
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jun 2013

representatives is just a myth. They are pushed on us, and any candidates that do not kiss up to the oligarchy are destroyed by fabrications, misconceptions, slander, and denial of party funds to compete. It's a racket. Ever wonder why many EVM's have no paper trail, or receipt, and always appear functionally problematic? Consider that ATM's, Gas pumps, postal Kiosks, Red Boxes and the like all handle thousands of transactions reliably, give a printed receipt, and do all of this often in an outdoor exposed environment, and then we have EVM's. Design flaw or design feature? We live in a banana republic, with only the illusion of Democracy.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
34. So you think Obama writes all that stuff and he is doing it alone?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:06 AM
Jun 2013

You think he operates in solo with a corruption-free congress that will pass everything he will ask them to?

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
54. The US Trades Representative is an
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jun 2013

Executive Cabinet position. An appointee, chosen by the President - and yes, approved by Congress - ultimately a member of the President's Cabinet.

No, the President doesn't write "that stuff" but he damn well knows that one of his Cabinet officers is telling members of Congress to suck wind because he doesn't have to share the information that they have a Constitutional right to know.

Stop deflecting. This isn't about whether or not a do-nothing Congress approves this trades agreement, it's about the transparency of the process. (Yes, they probably will approve it because there are many more career politicians than there are people who actually give a rat's arse what happens to this country)

The Executive branch has, over the years and without much of a peep from Congress, exerted control - largely by executive order - over foreign trade negotiations. But that doesn't change the fact that Congress still has to vote on them because the power to make trades deals is a Legislative, not an Executive authority under the Constitution.

The Trades Rep is out of line on this and because his boss is the President, the President is responsible for bringing him to heel.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
36. Right...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jun 2013

... and it's exactly the opposite. Like a private Corporation. Have you ever gone into a business and asked to see anything? They call Security (if he's not standing right there at the front desk) and ask them to show you out. And if you are obstinate, they call local police and have you arrested for trespassing on their private Corporate property.

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
55. They're transparent, all right.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:24 PM
Jun 2013

Anybody who's paying attention can see what they're up to -- more for the rich and powerful and to hell with everyone else. Anyone who can't see that by now is either an idiot or willfully ignorant.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
27. Not even outrage over having our every aspect of our lives on a government server.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jun 2013

Honestly the population is almost immovable. We will need to run out of bread like Egypt first.

Mushroom

(341 posts)
31. I don't know squat
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:41 PM
Jun 2013

about what could be considered negotiable but when dubya was playing prez I had wondered if doing business with his creepy buddies meant having to take our rights away. Labor unions, education, women's health, equality, shit the list is long. It isn't that there is a war on anyone or anything, it's just business and we're wondering WTH are they thinking? They're just doing business and maybe it doesn't matter which party is in power. Business is business. Anyone or anything is negotiable.

We absolutely need transparency.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
32. That's why they don't tell us anything bordering on the truth.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

Good to hear Senator Warren point this out. However, as I keep saying, you can't unrotten the apple.

- We need a whole new tree......

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
38. The people used to be the boss.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:01 AM
Jun 2013

Our elected leaders worked for the American People, not for the Corporations.

Now it's the other way around.

Our elected leaders now work for the Corporation, not for us.

And the American People are left out in the cold, left to adjust to whatever might be coming down the pike. We have no right to know how their decisions are going to affect our lives.

Everything is bassackwards.


Give 'em Hell, Elizabeth.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
42. Demand CCFR, COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!! Lets take away the legal bribes
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:14 AM
Jun 2013

and see how much influence they have! Publicly funded elections is THE answer!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
46. Well, we have a lot of house cleaning to do, but....
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:22 AM
Jun 2013

... absolutely enact CCFR legislation immediately. Help overthrow the GD SCOTUS by new Amendment to the Constitution taking fucking personhood from Corporations forever and ever. Amen!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
39. Elizabeth Warren is correct. Why all the damned secrecy if the trade deal is so wonderful?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:29 AM
Jun 2013

This is contrary to the very spirit of the nation. We the people should know. If we don't, why not?

I trust Warren. I do not trust the untrustworthy President Obama.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
43. It's nice to think they would stop it. But they would probably just use it as investment advice.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:15 AM
Jun 2013

People are strong & willing to stand up for whats right. Unless of course it involves not sharing in the corporate honey hole. Then they turn into jellyfish.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
44. Why doesn't Warren filibuster it?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:25 AM
Jun 2013

If a sole GOP member can filibuster and hold up Obamas appts, etc; then is there no reason Warren can't hold this up when it comes to Senate for ratification? Yes, it won't make her Dem colleages happy, but her constituents and supporters will be thrilled...and its the right thing to do.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
45. Who--exactly--are these people working for again?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:54 AM
Jun 2013

I have yet to see a trade agreement that was beneficial to the United States. Why we continue to do them is beyond me.

Thank goodness Elizabeth Warren isn't afraid to speak up and direct attention to these issues. Hopefully, the American people will WAKE. THE. HELL. UP. someday and put a stop to this crap.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
57. the U.S. government has become a culture of secrecy....
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:37 PM
Jun 2013

However, to those whose response to Warren's remarks is that she should be a presidential candidate in 2016: recall that candidate Obama was a strong proponent of transparency, too. That didn't work out very well.

MelungeonWoman

(502 posts)
59. I can see it now...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jun 2013

When she follows in the footsteps of Bush and Obama we'll get the standard reply,
"You knew she was an ex Repub and bankster! What are you whining about? Must be the fact she's a woman!", from the usual suspects.

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