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Sancho

(9,070 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:54 PM Jun 2013

Politifact rates Obama's assertion of FISA "transparency" pants-on-fire...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/21/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-foreign-intelligence-surveillanc/

"Our ruling

Obama said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court "is transparent." We don’t doubt that there are good reasons for secrecy at the court, but if you’re going to operate a mostly secret court, you also don’t get to crow about how "transparent" it is. The president can’t have his cake and eat it, too. We rate his claim Pants on Fire."

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Even though I don't think of Politfact as always correct, it's interesting to see how they reported this. Besides the initial issue of spying on all of us, a second idea that also worries some folks is simple; can we really trust that even Obama knows what the spooks are doing unless there is real transparency like open courts?
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Politifact rates Obama's assertion of FISA "transparency" pants-on-fire... (Original Post) Sancho Jun 2013 OP
Having an open court process, in which people could be held accountable, would slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #1
Politifact is racist. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #2
LOL - I agree LeftInTX Jun 2013 #3
He flubbed his chance at this Hydra Jun 2013 #4
Transparent. DreamGypsy Jun 2013 #5
Ooops progressoid Jun 2013 #6
The only thing transparent... bvar22 Jun 2013 #7
To be fair, if a Republican were President you just know they would have rated the statement ... dawg Jun 2013 #8
Yep. +1 if I could rec posts. Pryderi Jun 2013 #9
It's just as transparent as the Trans Pacific Partnership. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #10
It's transparent Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #11
How Transparent is Russia? sevenseas Jun 2013 #12
 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
1. Having an open court process, in which people could be held accountable, would slow things down.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:00 PM
Jun 2013

Instead, politicians, underlings, contractors, and the super-rich must be able to do stupid things quickly.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
4. He flubbed his chance at this
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jun 2013

Had time to come up with a good answer, or to outright attack the system(or at least say "This isn't a perfect system, and I'd like to change that.&quot

Nope. Everything is transparent, legal and for your protection.

Deju Moo.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
5. Transparent.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:38 PM
Jun 2013

From Merriam-Webster:

Definition of TRANSPARENT
1
a (1) : having the property of transmitting light without appreciable scattering so that bodies lying beyond are seen clearly : pellucid (2) : allowing the passage of a specified form of radiation (as X-rays or ultraviolet light)
b : fine or sheer enough to be seen through : diaphanous
2
a : free from pretense or deceit : frank
b : easily detected or seen through : obvious
c : readily understood
d : characterized by visibility or accessibility of information especially concerning business practices


From PolitiFact:

Harper said. "I don’t know of any plausible meaning of ‘transparent’ that encompasses the ‘oversight behind closed doors’ concept."


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
7. The only thing transparent...
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jun 2013

...are the Emperor's New Clothes,
and those fawning over the beauty and delicacy of the new threads.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
8. To be fair, if a Republican were President you just know they would have rated the statement ...
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jun 2013

"Mostly False" or "Half True".

Politifact, along with most of the media, has been cowed by the Republicans.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
10. It's just as transparent as the Trans Pacific Partnership.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jun 2013

Well, not quite. At least Congress can look at that.

sevenseas

(114 posts)
12. How Transparent is Russia?
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jun 2013

Why should the US be transparent? We are naive fools to even be having this discussion.

No other country is transparent and no one is condemning them.

Is Russia transparent? Is Britain transparent? Is Iran or any other Arab country transparent?

Can you name one single other country that is transparent? Oh....I guess none of those places spy, either.

To dump all the "spying outrage" on Obama's desk as if he invented spying is playing into the hands of the Republicans who want to take over.


DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS WILL BE TRANSPARENT?

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