One of Bill's biggest DNC speech applause lines.

But I haven't seen it. Your "example" is pretty pathetic, btw.

Sid

but I do think it is telling that no people have been prosecuted for pro Obama leaks such as the leak of the computer bug we used to target Iran. I think a better word is selective.

it was a staged leak if ever there was one.

All this NSA thing can make anyone squinchy, but hell yah, it's a different world and do we want hacks like Greenwad and Snowden to be peddlying classified documents around the world when so much is at stake in the likes of power grids, nuclear plants, aircraft computers... it's mind boggling what can go wrong there.

So for all the fear (which I understand) of spying on who where, lordy lord if there wasn't a cyber defense we'd all be fucked.

New World.

Greewald must be a racist.

FAIL!

having Obama making decisions for the good of the country rather than Greenwald and Snowden making decisions for the good of their ego. Call me an apologist because I embrace it. Moving on.

yet.

not knowing the NSA is abusing their vast surveillance powers?

Don't you think we would all sleep better if we stayed ignorant of what the government was doing in our name? And fully trusted them to do what governments do best?

you are in favor of criminalizing investigative reporting?

And this 'justice' dept has a record...

good post.

That doesn't make it okay.

And all this information that he's made public, including the powerpoint slide that showed where our fiber optic communication cables are laid in the oceans, are available to both friends and enemies.

Spy's/traitors typically go, in secret, to foreign, hostile/enemy governments.

But I'm sure that's considered just as bad w/today's totalitarians.

reveal that isn't legal under the Patriot Act?

I'm not justifying the Patriot Act, but it is currently the law of the land.

The fact remains that Snowden is passing classified documents, and he's being harbored by a foreign government. That is why he's being charged with espionage.

18 USC 641 Theft of property and records

18 USC 793 Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

18 USC 798 Disclosure of classified information

Obama is not vindictive.

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When you "remove 1,000 pages of classified documents".... it's called a crime.

Maybe the 1,000 pages should be made public. And if any one of those pages puts any American in danger by revealing that information to the public... then it is espionage.

What if you had a family member working for the NSA? Forget for a minute your feelings on if it is legal or not (because the law currently says it is, you need to change the law if you want what they are doing to be illegal) -- what danger has Snowden done. If none, then he should go free. Let's have a trial and see justice served.

But the NSA is illegal you say? Then bring your case to court. Sue the government, get public opinion on your side... but UNTIL you change the law, don't take the law into your own hands.

That's the crux of this issue, IMHO.

It is on this basic principle that I part ways with people in the other side of this important issue.

The totalitarians can break out stacks of legalease that say this is 'legal' but it won't change the fact that they are commiting crimes against its own people while making it a crime to report it to the public.

Whimpering about the 'climate of fear created by the administration' ....

Rational people should realize by now that all of Glenn Greenwald's delusions need to be treated like the raw fecal matter they are & be noticed only long enough to be ridiculed, just before they are ignored.

The one used by Deputy Davis in her delightful welcome to the Emerald Isle:

Maybe he's a bit skeered that he was too far in cahoots with a lawbreaker who's going to face charges for HIS illegal activity.

I'm still waiting to see what illegal activity they actually exposed.