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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:59 PM Jun 2013

Do you support the current NSA surveillance program?


33 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Yes, I support the current NSA surveillance program. It is necessary to protect our country from terrorist attacks
1 (3%)
No, I don't support the current NSA surveillance program. It's too intrusive and could be used a as an instrument of political repression
32 (97%)
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Do you support the current NSA surveillance program? (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 OP
No, I don't support it at all. dawg Jun 2013 #1
I'm pleased you included the 'political repression' angle in your poll. eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #2
IMHO, it's not a yes or no question. Should be other options in the poll. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #3
Like? dkf Jun 2013 #5
For instance? Th1onein Jun 2013 #6
I don't want the question to be intangled in issues of personality politics Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #7
But you're the one that added the 'second sentence' to both of the two options Tx4obama Jun 2013 #8
The way the media presents it is worse... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #20
NO. Th1onein Jun 2013 #4
Nope, but I guess you could guess nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #9
Nope. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #10
HELL NO! N-t Logical Jun 2013 #11
I voted "yes", because I read that Snowden picks his nose MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #12
Yeah, I saw that. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #15
I forgot about that super power of mine MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #16
The old "skunk at the garden party" ploy! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #18
So I can blame you for this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #35
I'm not suppose to laugh this hard so early in the morning. think Jun 2013 #27
In a democracy, the people shouldn't have to fear their own government..or trust it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #13
No. Against ot when Bush did it, against it when Obama does it. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #14
Big Brother, Where Aren't Thou? mhatrw Jun 2013 #17
The argument "they just collect meta-data . . ." Anymouse Jun 2013 #19
What Program? They have a program? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #21
Well, I see Obama and Holder voted ''Yes'' in the poll..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #22
No temmer Jun 2013 #23
Not only NO, but FUCK NO, and don't ask again. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #24
kick (nt) scarletwoman Jun 2013 #25
I've been wanting to see just such a poll carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #26
Hell no. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #28
No. I do not support a national security state cali Jun 2013 #29
kick for more resuts Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #30
I was expecting a fuck no option. pintobean Jun 2013 #31
aNOTHER Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #32
Where's the "HELL FUCKIN' NO!!!" option??!? lastlib Jun 2013 #33
No,no and Fuck NO! undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #34
one more Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #36
some more results? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #37
any more results now? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #38

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
7. I don't want the question to be intangled in issues of personality politics
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:14 AM
Jun 2013

One can be for or against this program regardless what they think of President Obama or Edward Snowden or Glenn Greenwald.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. But you're the one that added the 'second sentence' to both of the two options
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jun 2013

There could be many other reasons folks might 'support' or 'not support' the current NSA program other than what is stated in those 'second sentences'.

I was just trying to point that out.





 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. The way the media presents it is worse...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:33 AM
Jun 2013

They ask, "Do you support the leaking of intelligence if it get's people killed?" and when people say, "No" they claim that's proof that we shouldn't know the government is spying on the Girl Scouts.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
15. Yeah, I saw that.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jun 2013

I figured it was your clever way to discourage more "yes" votes because none of the authoritarians would want to be seen in your company.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
16. I forgot about that super power of mine
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jun 2013

Too bad I'm banned from the BOG, a few kind words from me could shut that puppy down for good.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
14. No. Against ot when Bush did it, against it when Obama does it.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:35 AM
Jun 2013

Looks like most DUers have principles...Bush Obama Group is just cheerleaders.

Anymouse

(120 posts)
19. The argument "they just collect meta-data . . ."
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:27 AM
Jun 2013

. . . and thus you have nothing to fear, because the NSA does not get the content of your messages is of course a strawman.

Consider:
You get a telephone call from your doctor, after which you call a confidential HIV testing service, then your health insurance company. But they do not know what the content of your calls were.

You get an E-mail from your local National Rifle Association organiser, after which you telephone your senators and your representative. But they do not know why you called.

You logged in to Ashley Madison and spent ninety minutes, immediately after which you made a ten-minute local telephone call, but no one can surmise the content of either what you viewed on the Website nor the context of your call.

You received an E-mail from an organisation planning a protest, after which you call the organisation and chat for fifteen minutes. But no one can deduce what the call was about.

You call a suicide prevention hotline and chat for half an hour, then a psychiatrist for ten minutes, but the content of your calls are secret.

This is why the Fourth Amendment prohibits dragnets. All sorts of legal activity, in the wrong hands, can be used to blackmail or ruin a person. Just ask Valerie Plame.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. What Program? They have a program?
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:35 AM
Jun 2013

What channel is it on?

Cirrusly... has any one else noticed that the gaggle of geese who were running around with their tails aflame, trying to tell us there was nothing to the story, have almost all flown away?

I call that them folks getting educated. Good show DU!

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
26. I've been wanting to see just such a poll
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:59 AM
Jun 2013

and the results confirm my impression that the pro-NSA bunch are a tiny minority of loudmouthed griefers

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
29. No. I do not support a national security state
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:09 AM
Jun 2013

I do not support the growth industry of mass surveillance.

I don't care who is in power. I don't want them to have that power.

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